Suns offering blake griffin 4 years $130m

[Mainstreet]

One has to get excited about the idea of adding a 28 year old star player to the Suns whether one is a huge Blake Griffin fan or not. He would bring immediate excitement to the Suns and thoughts of the playoffs. The Suns should roll the dice. This is the opportunity they have been waiting for.

 

[Folster]

Food for thought. Stoudemire was 27 in 2010 when he inked his 5 year $100 million contract with the Knicks. That fifth year was the sticking point for the Suns. Sarver reportedly didn't want the 5th year guaranteed. He played 78, 47, 29, 65, and 59 games in those 5 contract years.

 

[Mainstreet]

How pathetic is Robert Sarver that he wouldn't pay the max to keep Amare and keep together a contending team but is now willing to pay out big $$ to a guy who has played in just 59% of available reg season games in the last 2 years

If Robert Sarver offers Griffin the max or near max he is putting his money where is mouth is. This is far from the "cheap" label some fans put on him years back. Can't live in the past concerning Amare.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Food for thought. Stoudemire was 27 in 2010 when he inked his 5 year $100 million contract with the Knicks. That fifth year was the sticking point for the Suns. Sarver reportedly didn't want the 5th year guaranteed. He played 78, 47, 29, 65, and 59 games in those 5 contract years.

The issue was his knees were not insurable and it actually worked out for the Suns, that contract was a nightmare for the Knicks.

 

[elindholm]

Food for thought. Stoudemire was 27 in 2010 when he inked his 5 year $100 million contract with the Knicks. That fifth year was the sticking point for the Suns. Sarver reportedly didn't want the 5th year guaranteed. He played 78, 47, 29, 65, and 59 games in those 5 contract years.

That's an interesting comparison. I think Griffin has slightly better long-term prospects than Stoudemire, but Stoudemire was a better player at his peak.

I'm surprised that Stoudemire was so young when the Suns let him go. In my memory he was around 30.

 

[GatorAZ]

Sarver didn't even have faith in our training staff in 2010.

He was right. Problem is they signed a bunch of overpaid scrubs to replace him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Um, Tyson Chandler?

Tysons defense is not really good lately.

 

[Folster]

He was right. Problem is they signed a bunch of overpaid scrubs to replace him.

Hedo, Warrick, and Childress.

:Shudder:

 

[JCSunsfan]

He was right. Problem is they signed a bunch of overpaid scrubs to replace him.

Yep. Our training staff knew Amare was on borrowed time. Blake does not have the structural issues Amare had.

Not a fan of the person though.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hedo, Warrick, and Childress.

:Shudder:

As I recall Sarver was playing GM at the time. Double Shudder.

 

[Folster]

A perfect scenario would be a 4 year deal with a 2nd year player option and 3rd year team option.

 

[sunsfan88]

The issue was his knees were not insurable and it actually worked out for the Suns, that contract was a nightmare for the Knicks.

And based on Blake's injury history, what makes you think his contract won't be a nightmare for the Suns?

 

[sunsfan88]

If Robert Sarver offers Griffin the max or near max he is putting his money where is mouth is. This is far from the "cheap" label some fans put on him years back. Can't live in the past concerning Amare.

It's far from cheap but it's also really close to stupid.

Sarver wasn't cheap when he passed on Amare and decided to instead spend it on Hedo, Childress and Warrick. He was stupid.

And now he's getting close to that again.

 

[sunsfan88]

He was right.

It's hard to tell if he would've had the same injury issues with the Suns as he did with the Knicks since Phoenix has a superior training staff but yeah I agree overall.

And now the Suns are trying to make the same mistake with Griffin as the Knicks did with Amare.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's far from cheap but it's also really close to stupid.

Sarver wasn't cheap when he passed on Amare and decided to instead spend it on Hedo, Childress and Warrick. He was stupid.

And now he's getting close to that again.

Sarver was penny wise and pound foolish letting Amare go.

Sometimes a team like the Suns, trying to take the next step, have to roll the dice to acquire a star player like Griffin. Then hope like heck their medical staff have it right.

The Suns cannot stand still in the Western Conference. At some point they have to make a move.

 

[GatorAZ]

It's hard to tell if he would've had the same injury issues with the Suns as he did with the Knicks since Phoenix has a superior training staff but yeah I agree overall.

And now the Suns are trying to make the same mistake with Griffin as the Knicks did with Amare.

Training staff can't magically fix a knee that underwent microfracture. The training staff did not ok the knee going forward thus offering a 5-year deal with insurance stipulations.

It's not like every Suns' players has been 100% healthy in recent years either. The training staff aren't miracle workers.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

And based on Blake's injury history, what makes you think his contract won't be a nightmare for the Suns?

Well first of all im not 100% in on this deal and acknowledge the risks. The argument for it however though is that Amares history was far worse, crippling knees. Blake has just had a variety of random injuries. There is no one thing that is jeoperdizing his career. Also I think in general, there are always risks, the question is, is this worth the risk?

 

[Carolinacacti]

How soon we forget Aldridge from last year. The Suns are and will be the first door for high priced FA. But it will not be the last door. Maybe next year someone will want to really stay.

 

[Raze]

Sarver was penny wise and pound foolish letting Amare go.

Sometimes a team like the Suns, trying to take the next step, have to roll the dice to acquire a star player like Griffin. Then hope like heck their medical staff have it right.

The Suns cannot stand still in the Western Conference. At some point they have to make a move.

When the move is right, I agree. However, this isn't the right move. Here's some key reasons I wouldn't sign him:

1. If Blake could only get out of the 1st round of the playoffs 50% of the time with Chris Paul and D. Jordan, what will magically happen here with a bunch of 20 year olds?

2. Blake will do just enough to keep us out of the lottery and not enough to win anything significant.

3. He stunts the growth of Chriss who almost has the same game.

4. He now siphons away the leadership aspect of Eric and Devin. Both of them are solid leaders. Blake is whiny. I can't stand his demeanor on the court, especially when he acts like an entitled spoiled brat.

5. His injury history is appalling for a max contract guy. He should only get 60% of the max. (We would now have two of our best players with injury histories.)

6. His injury history smells a lot like other athletic big men who wore down at about the same age. There's a good chance his best days are behind him. He just doesn't have enough other aspects of his game to compensate for his impending athletic decline.

7. He's not the kind of player who makes others around him better.

8. If he's so great why would the Clippers let him walk?

Whether we sign him or not I think McD already made a mistake. If he's truly meeting with him then we HAVE to sign him. If we don't we'll just end up being the team he used to leverage signing elsewhere. He'll have to do MORE damage control if he dumps us. This team can't afford another hit on its reputation. If we do sign him I think it's a mirage that we've "taken steps forward", for the above reasons. This is a bad move either way.

This reeks of needless desperation. We already have a core of young talent that are building chemistry. Stay the course. Let the kids show us what they can do.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I've been a tank guy for a few years. But I think I like this deal. If he comes for 4 years I think it works.

It makes us relevant again in a national stage.

Blake, Jackson, chriss give us three high flyers. And bookers brilliance likely means lots of highlights. Again, relevance. More appealing to other FAs.

There are 96 minutes at the power positions to likely divide 4 ways:
Blake - 30-33
Chriss - 25-30
Bender - 15-20
Tyson/Len/williams - 13- 26
I don't see that stunting anyone's growth.

Blake is a high level starter for 2 or 3 years and then becomes an enviable backup who can get buckets with the second squad when our young guns are peaking.

We have a ton of young talent. There's no need to tank. And if the young guys start to learn to win, that's a bonus. If they make the playoffs, that's gravy. If they don't, we add a bit more lottery talent.

But just no on Aldridge or millsap. Too old.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Any chance we can get the Clippers to take BK and Williams/Len in a sign and trade for Blake?

Can't really be done, can it?

 

[GatorAZ]

Nope.

It will be interesting to see if Millsap is willing to take a 3 year deal...

 

[Mainstreet]

When the move is right, I agree. However, this isn't the right move. Here's some key reasons I wouldn't sign him:

1. If Blake could only get out of the 1st round of the playoffs 50% of the time with Chris Paul and D. Jordan, what will magically happen here with a bunch of 20 year olds?

2. Blake will do just enough to keep us out of the lottery and not enough to win anything significant.

3. He stunts the growth of Chriss who almost has the same game.

4. He now siphons away the leadership aspect of Eric and Devin. Both of them are solid leaders. Blake is whiny. I can't stand his demeanor on the court, especially when he acts like an entitled spoiled brat.

5. His injury history is appalling for a max contract guy. He should only get 60% of the max. (We would now have two of our best players with injury histories.)

6. His injury history smells a lot like other athletic big men who wore down at about the same age. There's a good chance his best days are behind him. He just doesn't have enough other aspects of his game to compensate for his impending athletic decline.

7. He's not the kind of player who makes others around him better.

8. If he's so great why would the Clippers let him walk?

Whether we sign him or not I think McD already made a mistake. If he's truly meeting with him then we HAVE to sign him. If we don't we'll just end up being the team he used to leverage signing elsewhere. He'll have to do MORE damage control if he dumps us. This team can't afford another hit on its reputation. If we do sign him I think it's a mirage that we've "taken steps forward", for the above reasons. This is a bad move either way.

This reeks of needless desperation. We already have a core of young talent that are building chemistry. Stay the course. Let the kids show us what they can do.

The thing is, what is the right move and who is the right player? Was Aldridge the right player? IMO, the right player is Gordon Hayward but the Suns are not getting any interest. Plus the Suns have Josh Jackson now.

The Clippers hope they can re-sign Griffin but he is a free agent. The Clippers just lost their star PG in Chris Paul. It appears they may also lose Redick. Is DeAndre Jordon now their franchise player?

The thing is, almost every player is a gamble. However, when a team gets to sign a star, I think you one has to look at it. Blake Griffin will have a strong cast to go around him. Perhaps the other option for the Suns to become relevant is Paul Millsap. He is a nice player but I'd rather have Griffin who is younger.

 

[Mainstreet]

Any chance we can get the Clippers to take BK and Williams/Len in a sign and trade for Blake?

Can't really be done, can it?

Somebody is going to have to take Knight's salary if the Suns succeed in signing Griffin.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When the move is right, I agree. However, this isn't the right move. Here's some key reasons I wouldn't sign him:

1. If Blake could only get out of the 1st round of the playoffs 50% of the time with Chris Paul and D. Jordan, what will magically happen here with a bunch of 20 year olds?

2. Blake will do just enough to keep us out of the lottery and not enough to win anything significant.

3. He stunts the growth of Chriss who almost has the same game.

4. He now siphons away the leadership aspect of Eric and Devin. Both of them are solid leaders. Blake is whiny. I can't stand his demeanor on the court, especially when he acts like an entitled spoiled brat.

5. His injury history is appalling for a max contract guy. He should only get 60% of the max. (We would now have two of our best players with injury histories.)

6. His injury history smells a lot like other athletic big men who wore down at about the same age. There's a good chance his best days are behind him. He just doesn't have enough other aspects of his game to compensate for his impending athletic decline.

7. He's not the kind of player who makes others around him better.

8. If he's so great why would the Clippers let him walk?

Whether we sign him or not I think McD already made a mistake. If he's truly meeting with him then we HAVE to sign him. If we don't we'll just end up being the team he used to leverage signing elsewhere. He'll have to do MORE damage control if he dumps us. This team can't afford another hit on its reputation. If we do sign him I think it's a mirage that we've "taken steps forward", for the above reasons. This is a bad move either way.

This reeks of needless desperation. We already have a core of young talent that are building chemistry. Stay the course. Let the kids show us what they can do.

The Clips are trying to keep him.