Suns Offseason Midterm Report Card

[Absolute Zero]

What grade would you give the Suns front office for their offseason moves so far?

 

[boisesuns]

I'd say C as far as moves alone go. We really are looking for guys 7-9 on our roster, so what has happened has been not the best, but not that big of deal.

 

[NastyOne]

Well so far we've traded both first rounders we had.

We got only Eric Piatkowski so far, and lost Tim Thomas.

Pat Burke took his player option and will once again pick up his pompoms on the bench.

But atleast Amare is coming back, so that brings our grade backup to about an...

F



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[dreamcastrocks]

I said C. Every offseason, people expect changes. Especially after all of the changes we made last year.

Not making major changes is probably the best thing that we could do right now.

 

[arthurracoon]

D

 

[Absolute Zero]

I voted F. They simply haven't accomplished anything and lost TT.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I said C. Every offseason, people expect changes. Especially after all of the changes we made last year.

Not making major changes is probably the best thing that we could do right now.

when the team indicates a need for changes (attempts to trade up in the draft, pursuing fa's, desiring to sign tt, trying to trade for salmons) and doesn't get them done . . . that's not "the best thing that we could do right now." that's called abject failure. that grade is an F.

(added for chap) - does that mean the team is an "F"? no, it means the offseason is an F. it's like if you kick ass all year in a class and have an A- (that's what i'll grade our overall team) but you fail one test. you still fail that one test, even if it doesn't affect your overall grade overly much.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think it's obvious the Suns have been out-classed in the front office department this off-season. Like others have said, they've failed at nearly everything they've attempted. I knew there was a problem when Sarver said the reason they couldn't move up in the first round is because nobody wanted to help the Suns get better. It was a lame excuse. If you are pitching something reasonable to almost any team in the league (short of your division rival), they want to get better more than they fear helping you get better. What was really happening is whomever was in charge of working the phones either didn't have the clout or negotiation skills to make it happen.

I think the Suns are more concerned with making a mistake than they are making things happen. On the plus side, they probably won't get stuck with a bad contract. On the down side, they aren't going to make the team better, for now or for the future.

 

[zett]

since when is 3 days into free agency mid term? I vote no vote yet!

 

[playstation]

since when is 3 days into free agency mid term? I vote no vote yet!

its actually past mid-term when if you were to look at the overall talent pool versus the part of the pool that has committed to a team. most guys that are worth their salt are off the table...

 

[Chaplin]

I put C, mostly because it's just been a neutral offseason so far, no good, no bad either. Standing put is actually a good thing with this team. It's also very unusual, which is probably one of the subconcious reasons some people are so upset.

 

[SunsTzu]

Has it been any worse than last years? First IT pulls a fast one to get the Suns 1st round pick and then they had to go through the Joe Johnson drama. Not to mention a star player went down during training camp(though after the mid term). The only saving grace of the off-season was Bell.

I think the Suns only need to add some guard depth and have everyone healthy when the season opener comes for it to be considered a better offseason than last year.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Has it been any worse than last years? First IT pulls a fast one to get the Suns 1st round pick and then they had to go through the Joe Johnson drama. Not to mention a star player went down during training camp(though after the mid term). The only saving grace of the off-season was Bell.

I think the Suns only need to add some guard depth and have everyone healthy when the season opener comes for it to be considered a better offseason than last year.

We also signed KT last year, who was a huge help defensively until he went down. We got Bell last year, a huge signing, this year we get the polish rifle.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Currently I'd give them a C. If we pick up a legitimate back-up point guard I'd raise it to a B. Trading away the second first rounder for cash only was ridiculous.

 

[Gaddabout]

We also signed KT last year

Because we all want accuracy here, the Suns didn't sign KT. They traded Q-Rich and a 1st-rounder (Nate Dog) for KT.

And don't we all wish we worked in a profession where we were better known by our lovable nicknames or initials.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Currently I'd give them a C. If we pick up a legitimate back-up point guard I'd raise it to a B. Trading away the second first rounder for cash only was ridiculous.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it? Uh, there's only ONE team in the NBA that can make this claim and it's the NBA Champion - getting our doors blown in two years ago in the WCF and getting handled somewhat easily in the WCF after struggling MIGHTILY against two under 50 win teams in the first two rounds suggest there's still needs to be a little fixing to be done, especially sinc ethe playoff seeding format will be changed next year and it's likely we'll have to go through SA and Dallas next season.

That's not to say we're broken, but we definitely need to be adding to this mix still, even with Amare and KT coming back. And considering that we've tried 4 different way to do so and have failed in every single one of them, up till this point, the offseason shoudl be deemed a failure - especially in light of trying to WAYYYYYY overpay for a guy like Salmons. Still scratching my head over that decision, which ultimately, we STILL lost out on.

They can bring this offseason up by getting Leo and Boris signed to extensions - so far, there's nothing to report there, so, along with every thing else AT THIS POINT, there's nothing good to have come about this offseason as far as player-personell moves and you can't really argue otherwise.

 

[nowagimp]

Has anyone mentioned that the suns now have another 1st round pick(cavs) in next years draft, the best in decades. To say that they have done nothing is not quite correct. I'll withold my grading until halfway through the period from the beginning of the FA period till training camp. If they lose the TE, it will definitely be a black mark.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Has anyone mentioned that the suns now have another 1st round pick(cavs) in next years draft, the best in decades. To say that they have done nothing is not quite correct. I'll withold my grading until halfway through the period from the beginning of the FA period till training camp. If they lose the TE, it will definitely be a black mark.

oh yeah - forgot about that one. That's the lone bright spot so far. The scary thing about that pick though is our penchant of not using 1st rounders the last three years, but I gotta believe we don't trade away draft picks in next year's bozno class... but then, I've been wrong about our offseason plans before, so...

 

[SactownSunsFan]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it? Uh, there's only ONE team in the NBA that can make this claim and it's the NBA Champion - getting our doors blown in two years ago in the WCF and getting handled somewhat easily in the WCF after struggling MIGHTILY against two under 50 win teams in the first two rounds suggest there's still needs to be a little fixing to be done, especially sinc ethe playoff seeding format will be changed next year and it's likely we'll have to go through SA and Dallas next season.

That's not to say we're broken, but we definitely need to be adding to this mix still, even with Amare and KT coming back. And considering that we've tried 4 different way to do so and have failed in every single one of them, up till this point, the offseason shoudl be deemed a failure - especially in light of trying to WAYYYYYY overpay for a guy like Salmons. Still scratching my head over that decision, which ultimately, we STILL lost out on.

They can bring this offseason up by getting Leo and Boris signed to extensions - so far, there's nothing to report there, so, along with every thing else AT THIS POINT, there's nothing good to have come about this offseason as far as player-personell moves and you can't really argue otherwise.

Let me elaborate on my statement-

Right now I'd give it a C. If we do not get a back-up point guard and fail to sign Diaw and/or Barbosa to extensions that grade changes to an F. If those three things do get done then I'd give our offseason a B.

We definitely do not NEED to make any trades to make this offseason a success. The fact that we made it to the WCF with 2/5ths of our starting line-up missing the playoffs speaks volumes about the depth and talent level on this team.

 

[nowagimp]

Let me elaborate on my statement-

Right now I'd give it a C. If we do not get a back-up point guard and fail to sign Diaw and/or Barbosa to extensions that grade changes to an F. If those three things do get done then I'd give our offseason a B.

We definitely do not NEED to make any trades to make this offseason a success. The fact that we made it to the WCF with 2/5ths of our starting line-up missing the playoffs speaks volumes about the depth and talent level on this team.

First you allude to the need for a backup point, and then say we dont need anymore trades. I am convinced we need to make sure that Nash is backed up with effective point play, and it seems that a trade is the only way to do that. I dont want to see steve Nash missing 10 3pt shots in a row in the playoffs again because he has no backup. If management does not address this issue, its an F. Even Homer Simpson can see that the suns cant afford to play Nash 35 mins a game through an 82 game season.(28-30 would be nice).

 

[SactownSunsFan]

First you allude to the need for a backup point, and then say we dont need anymore trades. I am convinced we need to make sure that Nash is backed up with effective point play, and it seems that a trade is the only way to do that. I dont want to see steve Nash missing 10 3pt shots in a row in the playoffs again because he has no backup. If management does not address this issue, its an F. Even Homer Simpson can see that the suns cant afford to play Nash 35 mins a game through an 82 game season.(28-30 would be nice).

Again, allow me to elaborate-

SIGNIFICANT trades, i.e. Kurt Thomas for Drew Gooden.

Trading a second rounder and an exemption for a back-up point guard hardly qualifies as a trade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Let me elaborate on my statement-

Right now I'd give it a C. If we do not get a back-up point guard and fail to sign Diaw and/or Barbosa to extensions that grade changes to an F. If those three things do get done then I'd give our offseason a B.

We definitely do not NEED to make any trades to make this offseason a success. The fact that we made it to the WCF with 2/5ths of our starting line-up missing the playoffs speaks volumes about the depth and talent level on this team.

uh - first, we made it to the WCF with 3/5 of our starting lineup (not 2/5s) - we LOST in the WCF because of our lack of depth. Second - who's talking about trades? Is anyoen saying we NEED to make a trade? No -we're talking about FA and whiffing 4 times so far. Third, this isn't a poll on how we'll end up - it's a poll about RIGHT NOW and and as of right now - all we've done is gotten Cleveland's 1st rounder next year. Considering that you'd give us an F if we don't get a backup PG (which we haven't done) and we don't get Boris and Leo signed to extensions (which we currently haven't done), wouldn't that logically mean that at this point, our grade is AN F?

 

[Chaplin]

How does the John Salmons deal make our management look bad? Seriously?

If you want to slam our offseason, at least use the rational reasons behind it--TT and the draft (and the draft is a lost cause).

 

[SirStefan32]

F

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Considering that you'd give us an F if we don't get a backup PG (which we haven't done) and we don't get Boris and Leo signed to extensions (which we currently haven't done), wouldn't that logically mean that at this point, our grade is AN F?

No, because we've neither failed nor succeded to do so at this point.

uh - first, we made it to the WCF with 3/5 of our starting lineup (not 2/5s)

Reread my post. I think you're "missing" one of my words.