Suns Pick Up Options on Goodwin, Len, and Warren

[Hoop Head]

The Suns have picked up the options on all of the players eligible on the roster who are on their rookie deals, Goodwin, Len, and Warren.

I don't think this is surprising at all, I know some questioned if the Suns should or would pick up Archie's option but they've got him through signed now through next season.


http://www.nba.com/suns/press-release/suns-exercise-options-goodwin-len-warren

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this is great news. Archie was the closest to a question mark but his salary for 2016-17 is only $2,094,089. The Suns were wise to pick up his option. Picking up the options for Len and Warren were no brainers.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Hmm. Interesting. Warren and Len were no brainers, but Archies was a question mark. I suppose its good news about Archie. Eventually we will have to fish or cut bait with Archie. I cannot see Archie and Booker both having a future with this team.

 

[elindholm]

Hmm. Interesting. Warren and Len were no brainers, but Archies was a question mark.

Goodwin's fourth year is $2.1 million, which is pretty minimal, so it's a good gamble. If he shows something more consistent in the next year and a half, but Booker is in his way, he could be a trade piece.

 

[leclerc]

Teams can have more than one SG in the rotation. Fact.

 

[SirStefan32]

Teams can have more than one SG in the rotation. Fact.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but the Suns also have two combo guards, so twenty minutes of SG playing time is gone.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that Goodwin hasn't seen the rotation since he was drafted.

 

[Catlover]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but the Suns also have two combo guards, so twenty minutes of SG playing time is gone.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that Goodwin hasn't seen the rotation since he was drafted.

He was in the rotation for much of the second half last season.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think Booker and Weems will be ahead of Goodwin in the rotation, possibly even Tucker playing the 2 with Warren at the 3.

Goodwin doesn't have a skill he's good enough at to get and keep him on the floor. He can only drive to the hoop and try to score with reckless abandon. He can't pull up and get an easy shot from 10-15 feet and he can't shoot 3's well for a guard either. I know they've used him at PG in the past but with Bledsoe, Knight, and Price he shouldn't get minutes there as he is not a good or willing facilitator.

 

[Phrazbit]

Extending him was a no brainer, he makes next to nothing against the cap.

However, Goodwin's playing time or lack there of is not because of his position, its because he stinks.

 

[Phrazbit]

He was in the rotation for much of the second half last season.

Take your filthy facts somewhere else!

 

[Mainstreet]

I still believe Goodwin will develop into a solid NBA player, if not with the Suns, another team. It will be hard for this to happen with the Suns because the lack of playing time.

 

[sunsfan88]

I still believe Goodwin will develop into a solid NBA player, if not with the Suns, another team. It will be hard for this to happen with the Suns because the lack of playing time.

Yup that's how I feel as well. I do wish we didn't pick up his option because I don't think he will get much playing time anymore since Booker does look more ready than him right now. Would rather him at least get an opportunity on some team that won't mind his shooting shortcomings but can see the potential in his athleticism and his ability to draw fouls than just rot away on our bench.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I still believe Goodwin will develop into a solid NBA player, if not with the Suns, another team. It will be hard for this to happen with the Suns because the lack of playing time.

If he cannot get playing time here, how is he going to get it somewhere else? The roster seems to be as open here as anywhere.

 

[Hoop Head]

If he cannot get playing time here, how is he going to get it somewhere else? The roster seems to be as open here as anywhere.

The roster isn't as lopsided as it was last season by any means but the 2 guard spots are pretty deep. Also if Hornacek doesn't get this team to the playoffs he's most likely gone so I highly doubt he'll give Archie a lot of leeway when he is on the court.

 

[Chaplin]

I still believe Goodwin will develop into a solid NBA player, if not with the Suns, another team. It will be hard for this to happen with the Suns because the lack of playing time.

Disagree. A couple years of no improvement at the SG position is pretty much a non-starter IMO. If he were a big man, I'd agree with you, but the guard positions are much more fickle. Devin Booker will be proof of that.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yup that's how I feel as well. I do wish we didn't pick up his option because I don't think he will get much playing time anymore since Booker does look more ready than him right now. Would rather him at least get an opportunity on some team that won't mind his shooting shortcomings but can see the potential in his athleticism and his ability to draw fouls than just rot away on our bench.

I'm glad the Suns picked up the option on Archie because I believe they view him as an asset. McDonough is smart enough to know other teams value him as well. If nothing else Archie could be an extra bargaining chip in a trade. Archie will get his opportunity soon enough but perhaps not with the Suns. Also Devin Booker and perhaps Bogdan Bogdanovic (if he comes to the NBA) provide just that much more competition in the backcourt.

 

[Mainstreet]

Disagree. A couple years of no improvement at the SG position is pretty much a non-starter IMO. If he were a big man, I'd agree with you, but the guard positions are much more fickle. Devin Booker will be proof of that.

No argument about Devin Booker. He looks NBA ready at the age of 18. However, some players need more time and a team to rely upon them before they turn the corner. I believe Archie that type of player.

 

[Chaplin]

No argument about Devin Booker. He looks NBA ready at the age of 18. However, some players need more time and a team to rely upon them before they turn the corner. I believe Archie that type of player.

Why do you believe that? What have you seen that makes you think he will become anything more than he is? He hasn't improved one bit since coming into the league, so I'm confused as to what potential you and everyone else on the Goodwin bandwagon sees.

I think Ryan McD sees him as a potential trade asset, and nothing more.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The roster isn't as lopsided as it was last season by any means but the 2 guard spots are pretty deep. Also if Hornacek doesn't get this team to the playoffs he's most likely gone so I highly doubt he'll give Archie a lot of leeway when he is on the court.

We do not have a top ten player at ANY position. So all the hope about Archie is whether he becomes a player worthy of minutes AT ALL in the nba. We need to develop STAR players. Does anyone think Archie has any chance of becomeing a star player? I just see any further effort on Archie as wasted.

 

[Chaz]

Why do you believe that? What have you seen that makes you think he will become anything more than he is? He hasn't improved one bit since coming into the league, so I'm confused as to what potential you and everyone else on the Goodwin bandwagon sees.



I think Ryan McD sees him as a potential trade asset, and nothing more.

Complete hyperbole.

That just isn't true.

 

[Chaplin]

Complete hyperbole.

That just isn't true.

Prove it.

 

[Catlover]

Prove it.

According to the coaching staff he's improved his ability to respond to direction. I'm pretty sure the numbers will back up that he's also improved from being a horrible outside shooter to being a below average shooter. He's gained a little strength and is now capable of occasionally finishing at the rim even if bodied up by a very slender person. And this summer I have personally seen him rotate to the proper player on more than one occasion.

 

[JCSunsfan]

According to the coaching staff he's improved his ability to respond to direction. I'm pretty sure the numbers will back up that he's also improved from being a horrible outside shooter to being a below average shooter. He's gained a little strength and is now capable of occasionally finishing at the rim even if bodied up by a very slender person. And this summer I have personally seen him rotate to the proper player on more than one occasion.

Damned by faint praise if I have ever heard it.

 

[Catlover]

Damned by faint praise if I have ever heard it.

Quite so but fairly accurate IMO. I do think he's shown improvement but it's been neglible. But I don't want to understate the importance of his personal growth. Still, he's nowhere near NBA ready and I don't believe he'd be treated much differently anywhere other than Philadelphia. They would have played him 30 minutes a game and his NBA career would likely come to a harsh end as soon as they decided to stop tanking.

 

[Chaplin]

According to the coaching staff he's improved his ability to respond to direction. I'm pretty sure the numbers will back up that he's also improved from being a horrible outside shooter to being a below average shooter. He's gained a little strength and is now capable of occasionally finishing at the rim even if bodied up by a very slender person. And this summer I have personally seen him rotate to the proper player on more than one occasion.

And you think that makes him NBA calibre? I think that makes him have some proficiency to be a great high school player, but that's a far cry from making him NBA-ready.

After 2 years, those are the very, very LEAST you'd expect a player to do. But other than the horrid shooting, those things you are saying are standard for any basketball player at any level. So the best you can say about him is he went from horrible to below average as a shooter. Sheesh, could you even see him playing in Europe with those kind of "positives"?