Suns Plan to Start Negotiations With JJ

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I think a trade is highly likely, but not before mid-season and not neccesarily involving Marion.

I agree about the "not necessarily" part. But I think that Marion is the most likely to be moved.

From the Suns' standpoint, Marion has reached his peak. He isn't going to get more athletic, he isn't going to improve his fundamentals, and he isn't going to get more courageous.

But at the same time, I think that Marion has the most trade value to other teams. Although his contract seems to go on forever, in fact it runs until "only" 2009, whereas Richardson goes until 2010 and Johnson's extension will presumably go until 2011. There are degrees of forever. Also, Marion is the only one of the three who has been an All-Star and an Olympian, not to mention the only one who makes relatively frequent appearances on highlight reels with his cool nickname.

Richardson didn't get any offers better than $5.8 million from the Suns. Is that because everyone else assumed the Clippers would match, or because no one else valued him that much? I think the Suns got Richardson for a good price, but it may be that his value across the league isn't that great. If he stays in a sixth-man role with Phoenix, it's hard to see anyone else coveting him enough to trade a legitimate big man.

As for Johnson, he will be a BYC player after the Suns extend him, meaning that it will be very difficult to trade him before (I believe) the summer of 2006. If the Suns think that the present lineup isn't adequate, two years is an awfully long time to wait before doing something about it.

In short, I think Marion is both the player that the Suns would most like to move and the player with the most value across the league. Which makes him the target.
 
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elindholm said:
I think a trade is highly likely, but not before mid-season and not neccesarily involving Marion.

I agree about the "not necessarily" part. But I think that Marion is the most likely to be moved.

From the Suns' standpoint, Marion has reached his peak. He isn't going to get more athletic, he isn't going to improve his fundamentals, and he isn't going to get more courageous.

But at the same time, I think that Marion has the most trade value to other teams. Although his contract seems to go on forever, in fact it runs until "only" 2009, whereas Richardson goes until 2010 and Johnson's extension will presumably go until 2011. There are degrees of forever. Also, Marion is the only one of the three who has been an All-Star and an Olympian, not to mention the only one who makes relatively frequent appearances on highlight reels with his cool nickname.

Richardson didn't get any offers better than $5.8 million from the Suns. Is that because everyone else assumed the Clippers would match, or because no one else valued him that much? I think the Suns got Richardson for a good price, but it may be that his value across the league isn't that great. If he stays in a sixth-man role with Phoenix, it's hard to see anyone else coveting him enough to trade a legitimate big man.

As for Johnson, he will be a BYC player after the Suns extend him, meaning that it will be very difficult to trade him before (I believe) the summer of 2006. If the Suns think that the present lineup isn't adequate, two years is an awfully long time to wait before doing something about it.

In short, I think Marion is both the player that the Suns would most like to move and the player with the most value across the league. Which makes him the target.

I love your notion of different degrees of "forever". :thumbup:

Also, you make a very good point about the BYC problem. It doesn't make it impossible to trade JJ, but it means that the kind of trades being considered have to be structured differently. Of course, we don't even know if BYC will part of the new players contract. Still is another wrinkle in the complicated process of figuring out what to do.

The issue of contract length is one of the things that makes many trade proposals so complicated. For example, trading for Ratliff or Ilgauskas means taking on a guy who will be a free agent next summer. Dalembert will be a restricted free agent - as will Chandler, Curry, and K Brown. After the Suns experience with McDyess, it is open to question whether it makes sense to trade a valuable player for a guy who might not remain for long.

IMHO, doing a "sign and trade" deal next summer looks more promising than trying to trade Marion right now. At the same time, Eisley's contract will be an asset rather than a liability in trade negotiations. But this doesn't do anything for the Suns immediate problems. :shrug:
 

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Gaddabout said:
I think a trade is highly likely, but not before mid-season and not neccesarily involving Marion.


Agreed.


I hope there's no trade until next summer at least, but since it's the Suns I'm not counting on anything. The team needs time to figure out how the players fit with each other.

All three contracts should be very tradeable once JJ's BYC status expires, so which player gets moved will depend on the Suns' preference, and what other teams are offering...
 

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pokerface said:
After seeing what this offseason brought as far as salaries in the NBA it proved one thing...Many members on this board have NO idea how to judge a players worth and are totally oblivious on NBA salary realities.

A fair assumption would be for JJ to get at least what Q got plus a little more. Now isnt Q averaging 6-7 mill per year? So a JJ salary of 7 mill doesnt seem out of the question to me. True he hasnt been totally consistant in his career but he was young and the NBA places the most emphasis on "What have you done for me lately". Lately JJ not only has looked very good but he still looks to have quite an upside to his game. Salary is not only based on whats being done now but future outlook as well.

i agree with face. well said.
 

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Don't forget Atlanta could always throw the max at him next year. IMO we should lock up JJ to a contract close to Q's if not a little bit more.
 

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