If it doesn't, so much the better, but I sense that the Sixers could get a late first round pick from someone...
Suns release Canaan
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The rumors are that Fultz has some significant family issues that are part of the problem--looks like a similar situation to the "uncle" that Kahwi had. His break with his shooting coach this summer had to do with interference from someone in this circle.
Due diligence is in order.
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Maybe it doesn't but I think it makes the trade more equitable from the 76ers viewpoint.
Do you just like making things up and repeating them over and over like it's the truth to see if someone believes you? You keep saying there isn't even an Interim GM but you can't really believe that, right? It's been talked about a lot how James Jones was the interim GM, and frontrunner for the full time job. He's sharing duties with Trevor Bukstein, which isn't unusual on an interim basis. Until a permanent GM is named teams usually have more than one person handling those duties because they are someone who was already with the organization and rather than having 1 person work 2 jobs they split up duties so a few people have extra work but no one is being bogged down by handling 2 full time positions. Philly had multiple people handling things after Bryan Colangelo was let go, just for an example.
Sources:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...time-suns-interim-general-manager/1615688002/
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/09/james-jones-interim-general-manager-hiring-phoenix-suns
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Constant turnovers at the top cause chaos. And certainly not consistency. Especially when one after the other is fired a few games into each season. It does not attract quality players or management.
As I said in another post, look at the results. That is what matters. Not condoning a circus at the top.
I'm not condoning anything, I'm simply pointing out how false it is to say that we have no GM and never even named an interim GM. That is just flat out false. Jones has been mentioned plenty here and elsewhere as our interim GM. I honestly don't know how someone who claims to follow the team doesn't know that.
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Everybody know that, PH, but Jones is not qualified to change direction of this team. He's gone from being Sarver's assistant to Sarver's assistant.
It is a play on words, but it is reality. We don't have an experienced GM to turn things around now any more than we did. SOS -- different face.
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Found quotes from an article posted yesterday that may have somewhat foreshadowed Canaan getting cut.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...eport-it-may-be-a-year-from-now-isaiah-canaan
A couple quotes from coach:
“We’re going to stick with the starting unit that we have right now,” Kokoskov said. “A lot of things are already in place when you consider the starting lineups and rotations so this is what we’re leaving. Right now we just want the one that gives us the best chance to win games.”
“It’s a brutal business,” Kokoskov said. “We talk about what did he do lately for us and it’s about productivity. So not just in his case or any case, we’re searching for the best unit, best guys who can play the best and that’s going to determine who’s going to play in minutes, rotations, all that other stuff.”
And a quote from Canaan:
“I don’t get caught up in starting or not starting,” Canaan said. “My whole career I’ve started games, started playoff games, come off the bench, been sixth man so my thing is as long as I’m playing I’m fine. I don’t get caught up in if I’m starting or if I’m not starting.”
Looks like he may have let it be known that he wasn't going to be happy if he was out of the rotation and now that the team made up it's mind to take him out of the rotation the only move was to cut him.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...eport-it-may-be-a-year-from-now-isaiah-canaan
A couple quotes from coach:
“We’re going to stick with the starting unit that we have right now,” Kokoskov said. “A lot of things are already in place when you consider the starting lineups and rotations so this is what we’re leaving. Right now we just want the one that gives us the best chance to win games.”
“It’s a brutal business,” Kokoskov said. “We talk about what did he do lately for us and it’s about productivity. So not just in his case or any case, we’re searching for the best unit, best guys who can play the best and that’s going to determine who’s going to play in minutes, rotations, all that other stuff.”
And a quote from Canaan:
“I don’t get caught up in starting or not starting,” Canaan said. “My whole career I’ve started games, started playoff games, come off the bench, been sixth man so my thing is as long as I’m playing I’m fine. I don’t get caught up in if I’m starting or if I’m not starting.”
Looks like he may have let it be known that he wasn't going to be happy if he was out of the rotation and now that the team made up it's mind to take him out of the rotation the only move was to cut him.
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Yeah I don’t buy this stuff at all. Canaan is the type of player who is hungry to be on a team year to year, even month to month and maybe even week to week. He’s flat out stupid if he’s making waves about not playing. And I don’t think he’s stupid.
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I mean he was quoted as saying "as long as I'm playing I'm fine". That pretty much states that if he is not playing than he is not fine.
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I think you’re reading into that quote. What we miss when we read quotes is context, voice inflection, emotion.
I agree with this. He was in the G-League when we signed him last year. We did him a solid by letting him use our facilities to rehab when we didn't need to, although it would have looked bad if we didn't but at the same time everyone says we look awful anyways so turning him away should have been anticipated. That didn't happen. He's now going to go back to the G-League and hope for someone to sign him. Maybe he gets claimed off of waivers since he was on a minimum salary? I would think he'd rather be a with a team where he's an injury or someone going into the doghouse away from playing big minutes than being on the outside of the league looking in.
How well would Fultz have to play to convince you he'd be worth the nearly 10mil it would cost to retain him next year? I wouldn't really be interested in him unless it was a cap neutral move with him on the roster next year which would require one or more of Anderson, Warren or Jackson. None of which makes sense for different reasons.
Fultz may be able to turn things around and live up to the potential that allowed him to be drafted #1 but I don't see him being able to make that turnaround on this team. The Suns need a proven ball handler not another developmental project.
Why are people so enamored with Fultz? I guess if you were just trying to stay young with a potential guy it might be OK but does he make the team better now? I don't see it. Not how he is playing now.
I am leaning towards the Suns having something up their sleeve. I am not saying that this move means a blockbuster trade. Maybe it's simply a series of roster moves and/or clearing a spot in case someone is released. Seems like it's more than just cutting a guy not playing well. We have multiple guys doing that.
I am leaning towards the Suns having something up their sleeve. I am not saying that this move means a blockbuster trade. Maybe it's simply a series of roster moves and/or clearing a spot in case someone is released. Seems like it's more than just cutting a guy not playing well. We have multiple guys doing that.
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Isn’t that exactly what happened last year with mike James?
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Would t it just be the suns to have two of the top 4 picks from last year’s draft and have them both bust? Ugh.
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It might be worth the risk since the Suns are unlikely to attract top free agents. Fultz's stats in college, especially his shooting, were not bad.
If Fultz is healthy it could be someone messed up his shooting technique and it could be fixed by unfixing it.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markelle-fultz-1.html
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The reason is philly has to have something to sell their fans.
Saying they got a first even if it is a sucky one gives their fans hope they got something for him.
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I watched a video on fultz and apparently he shot really well in summer league from 3 like 45 percent than when he came to training camp he could no longer shoot.
There is a reporter saying he had a motorcycle accident in that gap that screwed up his shoulder, but could not report it or his contract could be voided.
It makes sense actually, even though his agent denies it.
I seriously doubt without injury he would just forget how to shoot in a few weeks.
There is a reporter saying he had a motorcycle accident in that gap that screwed up his shoulder, but could not report it or his contract could be voided.
It makes sense actually, even though his agent denies it.
I seriously doubt without injury he would just forget how to shoot in a few weeks.
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I'd take a flyer on Fultz. Dude was a beast at UW. Not sure if playing off the ball screwed up his confidence in Philly or what?
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His issue is not just confidence, there is or was a shoulder injury. He is claiming it is still injured.
The question is how bad is the shoulder and can he recover from it.
We needed to waive Mike James because Canaan was originally brought on as a Two-Way contract. Mike James had his Two-Way contract converted into a real guaranteed contract like a week before he was released. When that was converted we had an open Two-Way spot but no actual roster room. Canaan showed up and outplayed Mike James right from his first minutes on the floor and the Suns waived James to convert Canaan's deal. Right now we already have 1 open roster spot, from Chandler's buy out, and still have 1 open Two-Way contract, since we only signed George King to one in the offseason. So this is different than the James situation unless you want to say that the empty roster spot outplayed Canaan.
