Suns reported to make max contract offer to Rockets Center

[JCSunsfan]

Good. These super teams need to be pressed. If you can't beat them, tear them down piece by piece or at the very least put them in luxury tax hell.

The Rockets have 78 million in salary next year with an expiring CP3. Add 30 million for him and they are over the cap a Max for Capela would be the baby max. I'm not sure about the numbers, but that will easily put them into Lux tax range.

The Rockets would probably be smart to let CP3 walk or trade him and keep Capella.

 

[Folster]

The Rockets would probably be smart to let CP3 walk or trade him and keep Capella.

I guess a lot of their off-season actions will be heavily influenced on what happens in the WCFs.

 

[GatorAZ]

God I hope this isn’t true.

 

[Lefty]

This is why the Suns have sucked.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is why the Suns have sucked.

What? They haven’t done anything.

 

[HeHasRosen]

What? They haven’t done anything.

Sounds like some crap they would pull. If we pass up on Ayton some how i give up on this regime

 

[Chaplin]

You guys are acting like this is some breaking news or something. It's been known for months that Capela will probably garner max-level money, and the Suns have always been a team that people have guessed would get in on it.

Some real Chicken Little stuff going on here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You guys are acting like this is some breaking news or something. It's been known for months that Capela will probably garner max-level money, and the Suns have always been a team that people have guessed would get in on it.

Some real Chicken Little stuff going on here.

Call it "Suns Pre-Lottery Day Hysteria." Ya gotta admit. Its stressful.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would be for Capela if PHX doesn’t get Ayton. If PHX lands at #4 worst case, I target Capela in FA and draft Young.

 

[Errntknght]

I would be for Capela if PHX doesn’t get Ayton. If PHX lands at #4 worst case, I target Capela in FA and draft Young.

I've liked Capela from day 1, but Houston will match unless they're going hunting for Kawhi or Lebron. If they win the title, they probably don't take that route and even if it's close they may not risk a major change. I expect it to be close, so I think it's a faulty plan - and I have doubts about Capela signing here in any case.

Independent of that I don't see the rationale for signing Young and purposely putting a bad defensive backcourt on the floor. It may get us by in the regular season but in the playoffs they'd be killed. I'd take Colin Sexton if I was forced to pick a PG to pair with Booker.

I'm almost sure we'll take Doncic if he's there and Ayton isn't... I don't like it but I can't see us passing on him. If both are gone when we pick I'd take Bamba or Bagley and target one of Vanvleet or Wright from Toronto as a PG. Of course, the last part can go amiss, too, but I think Harrison might well pan out. If Caanan recovers completely from his terrible injury, he's a possibility as well.

 

[leclerc]

Whoever plays backup (and starting) PG needs to be able to stick the three. Not enough with just Booker and Bender. Not sure Capella is a max contract player. Hope McD, Jones and Kokoskov figure out where they want to go. Size and shooting hopefully.

 

[pokerface]

Whoever plays backup (and starting) PG needs to be able to stick the three. Not enough with just Booker and Bender. Not sure Capella is a max contract player. Hope McD, Jones and Kokoskov figure out where they want to go. Size and shooting hopefully.

Not sure Capella is a max contract either but what I am sure of is we aren't getting the free agents we desire

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not sure Capella is a max contract either but what I am sure of is we aren't getting the free agents we desire

Which is why we shouldn’t be looking for one until players desire US.

That’s what GS, Boston and the Sixers have done. They weren’t FA destinations so they built in the draft until they were attractive and then reached for the brass ring in FA. None of them pressed the fast forward button on progress that might push them forward in the moment but would ultimately keep them stuck being good but unable to become GREAT because of a salary structure that had some bad contracts that would choke their caps, which would possibly force them to watch the REAL talent they cultivated from the draft walk because of a lack of money.

We FINALLY started doing the right thing a couple years ago, following in those teams’ footsteps. To go off the trail now would be incredibly foolish.

 

[pokerface]

Which is why we shouldn’t be looking for one until players desire US.

That’s what GS, Boston and the Sixers have done. They weren’t FA destinations so they built in the draft until they were attractive and then reached for the brass ring in FA. None of them pressed the fast forward button on progress that might push them forward in the moment but would ultimately keep them stuck being good but unable to become GREAT because of a salary structure that had some bad contracts that would choke their caps, which would possibly force them to watch the REAL talent they cultivated from the draft walk because of a lack of money.

We FINALLY started doing the right thing a couple years ago, following in those teams’ footsteps. To go off the trail now would be incredibly foolish.

I appreciate your point but I think Capella is a good fit . I think the suns are ready for some "fast forward". Eight years has been a long drought. Yeah it's a lot to pay but not giving up talent in trade is a big upgrade.

 

[SirStefan32]

Which is why we shouldn’t be looking for one until players desire US.

That’s what GS, Boston and the Sixers have done. They weren’t FA destinations so they built in the draft until they were attractive and then reached for the brass ring in FA. None of them pressed the fast forward button on progress that might push them forward in the moment but would ultimately keep them stuck being good but unable to become GREAT because of a salary structure that had some bad contracts that would choke their caps, which would possibly force them to watch the REAL talent they cultivated from the draft walk because of a lack of money.

We FINALLY started doing the right thing a couple years ago, following in those teams’ footsteps. To go off the trail now would be incredibly foolish.

This is spot-on!

 

[AzStevenCal]

I appreciate your point but I think Capella is a good fit . I think the suns are ready for some "fast forward". Eight years has been a long drought. Yeah it's a lot to pay but not giving up talent in trade is a big upgrade.

I'm surprised you've gone from tanking to overpaying. IMO, tanking destroys your "present", overpaying destroys your "future". One makes sense, the other doesn't.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm surprised you've gone from tanking to overpaying. IMO, tanking destroys your "present", overpaying destroys your "future". One makes sense, the other doesn't.

I’m okay with overpaying . . . if it’s for the final piece. We are nowhere near looking for the final piece.

 

[pokerface]

I'm surprised you've gone from tanking to overpaying. IMO, tanking destroys your "present", overpaying destroys your "future". One makes sense, the other doesn't.

Overpaying is easier to swallow when we we don't have to give up talent. Besides, is there another "Capella" that can be had for the right price? Thats the quandry isn't it? Where are the good deal players that are available and want on the suns?

 

[pokerface]

I’m okay with overpaying . . . if it’s for the final piece. We are nowhere near looking for the final piece.

That's a good point. But then again just when the suns are ready to score a player doesn't mean one will be there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's a good point. But then again just when the suns are ready to score a player doesn't mean one will be there.

True. But it seems there are free agents every year, or at least every other year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Overpaying is easier to swallow when we we don't have to give up talent. Besides, is there another "Capella" that can be had for the right price? Thats the quandry isn't it? Where are the good deal players that are available and want on the suns?

Part of the problem is that we're talking about "overpaying" as if it's fully defined. If we're talking about offering a salary that we know (or believe) to be in excess of the person's value for the life of his contract, I'm against that under any circumstances.

To elaborate, we overpaid Bledsoe but we did it expecting that between his growth and the ever increasing salaries being handed out that he would be in line financially with his peers somewhere during his contract. If we feel that Capela will eventually be worth that deal, I'm in favor of it. But if it's a true overpayment, that's almost always a bad road to travel.

And for those that care, I'm pretty sure it is Capela, not Capella.

 

[elindholm]

I don't know that Capela is the right choice, but I wouldn't rule him out on "final piece" arguments. He turns 24 in a few days, which means he's a few months younger than Warren and 2 1/2 years older than Booker. Do the Suns figure to get talent through the draft in 2019 or 2020 that's at a higher level than Capela? It seems unlikely. So grab the premium young talent that you can, without worrying about who came through the draft, who came as a free agent, and who (if anyone) comes in a trade.

(Edit: By the way, this is all moot, because the Rockets will match even if the Suns and Capela somehow come to terms.)

 

[Hoop Head]

Overpaying is easier to swallow when we we don't have to give up talent. Besides, is there another "Capella" that can be had for the right price? Thats the quandry isn't it? Where are the good deal players that are available and want on the suns?

Go after Bamba in the draft, regardless of where their own pick falls. I'd rather see them trade for a 2nd top 10 pick to get a center to fill out our roster than pay Capela upwards of $25 million a year. What that would cost, I don't know, but I think the Suns have the assets to pull it off. Someone in the top 10 is going to be willing to move their pick, perhaps Cleveland to please Lebron? If Bamba is off the board, take Jackson or Wendall Carter. NBADraft.net actually has Bamba going 8th to Cleveland right now. I could see them entertaining an offer for Warren, maybe, with Troy Daniels thrown in. Also using Chandler as an expiring deal. Warren would be the best contract on that team. They need to spend wisely because of how much tax they're paying in luxury taxes. They're into repeater tax territory so they've paying 3 times the amount they're over the threshold.

A number of deals could be worked out, we could take a bad contract off their hands also, give them Warren and Chandler for Tristan Thompson and #8? If they included a small salaried player like Cedi Osman that would work. They took on a lot of salary in their deadline deals acquiring Jordan Clarkson and George Hill. Chandler is expiring and Warren is a good value. That could save them a lot in taxes. A deal could be worked out with someone else also, like Kyle Korver, who is making $7 million a year for the next 2 years.

Here's one idea though, send the #8 pick to the Suns also...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=yd65zx6j

 

[SirStefan32]

Go after Bamba in the draft, regardless of where their own pick falls. I'd rather see them trade for a 2nd top 10 pick to get a center to fill out our roster than pay Capela upwards of $25 million a year. What that would cost, I don't know, but I think the Suns have the assets to pull it off. Someone in the top 10 is going to be willing to move their pick, perhaps Cleveland to please Lebron? If Bamba is off the board, take Jackson or Wendall Carter. NBADraft.net actually has Bamba going 8th to Cleveland right now. I could see them entertaining an offer for Warren, maybe, with Troy Daniels thrown in. Also using Chandler as an expiring deal. Warren would be the best contract on that team. They need to spend wisely because of how much tax they're paying in luxury taxes. They're into repeater tax territory so they've paying 3 times the amount they're over the threshold.

A number of deals could be worked out, we could take a bad contract off their hands also, give them Warren and Chandler for Tristan Thompson and #8? If they included a small salaried player like Cedi Osman that would work. They took on a lot of salary in their deadline deals acquiring Jordan Clarkson and George Hill. Chandler is expiring and Warren is a good value. That could save them a lot in taxes. A deal could be worked out with someone else also, like Kyle Korver, who is making $7 million a year for the next 2 years.

Here's one idea though, send the #8 pick to the Suns also...
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=yd65zx6j

So, I am not in favor of maxing out Capela, but I have to point out a couple of obvious things here.

Bamba is NOT Capela. Capela is a proven commodity, while Bamba is a crapshoot.
Also, Capela wouldn't cost you additional assets. Why give up Warren to take on TT and draft someone who is a very high-risk player?

 

[AzStevenCal]

So, I am not in favor of maxing out Capela, but I have to point out a couple of obvious things here.

Bamba is NOT Capela. Capela is a proven commodity, while Bamba is a crapshoot.
Also, Capela wouldn't cost you additional assets. Why give up Warren to take on TT and draft someone who is a very high-risk player?

I'm against overpaying but after reviewing Capela's stats, I'm starting to wonder just how much of an overpayment it would be. If you put his value somewhere around 20 million per, I'd be willing to swallow 25 per to sign him. But, as has been said a few times, it's highly unlikely Houston will let him walk.