Suns revisiting Chandler trade?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

^yeah that^

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

From Ric Bucher:

"FYI: Phx can deal Big Ben for Ty Chandler anytime they want. They're checking all other options before going down that road."

So hopefully, this still happens.

 

[JCSunsfan]

2010 is way overblown. There are so many teams clearing cap space just for that free agency (the Nets are already saying the plan to sign two players to max contracts), that the really great free agents are going to snapped up by the more promising teams, and the rest of the teams are going to end up overpaying some borderline all-star just to appease their fans.

I totally agree with this. I cannot understand why teams dump good players to get cap space to overpay lesser players (Memphis dumps Gasol to end up with Zack Randolph).

 

[sunsallday]

Chandler please.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder why no talk about buying Pavolic out. Maybe the Suns are exploring trading him like Wallace. Pavolic's full salary with a buyout might be attractive to some team and might bring Phoenix a better player back. However, I'm sure Phoenix would like a buyout on at least one of these two players.

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[The Commish]

You guys are seriously overrating Chandler. Even if we do snag him, we're still a borderline Top-6 team in the West with an old PG and an injury prone headcase PF.

 

[JerkFace]

Everyone is so geared up for the 2010 free agent class that they don't want to take on any extra salary. I was curious who the free agents and potential free agents were in 2011. This is a potential list of 2011 unrestricted free agents. In my opinion it looks pretty good (of course a lot depends on if some players sign qualifying offers next summer).

Josh Smith Atlanta
J.R. Giddens Boston
DeSagana Diop Charlotte
Gerald Wallace Charlotte
Daniel Gibson Cleveland
Maurice Williams Cleveland
Matt Carroll Dallas
Richard Hamilton Detroit
Jason Maxiell Detroit
Stephen Jackson Golden State
Corey Maggette Golden State
Baron Davis L.A. Clippers
Andrew Bynum L.A. Lakers
Luke Walton L.A. Lakers
James Jones Miami
Ryan Gomes Minnesota
Al Jefferson Minnesota
Devin Harris New Jersey
Chris Paul New Orleans
Dwight Howard Orlando
Rashard Lewis Orlando
Jameer Nelson Orlando
Elton Brand Philadelphia
Louis Williams Philadelphia
Martell Webster Portland
Kevin Martin Sacramento
Andres Nocioni Sacramento
Beno Udrih Sacramento
Jose Calderon Toronto
Deron Williams Utah

http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2011/

 

[Mainstreet]

You guys are seriously overrating Chandler. Even if we do snag him, we're still a borderline Top-6 team in the West with an old PG and an injury prone headcase PF.

Well when a team lacks a center, Chandler begins to look better. The Suns medical staff would need to be on top of their game.

 

[elindholm]

You guys are seriously overrating Chandler. Even if we do snag him, we're still a borderline Top-6 team in the West with an old PG and an injury prone headcase PF.

Can you envision any other scenario in which the Suns are borderline top-6 in the West next season? I sure can't. If they can't trade Stoudemire for a good rebuilding package now, I'll all for making the next two seasons as pain-free as possible. Might as well be "sorta good" if it's the best option on the table.

 

[Griffin]

From Ric Bucher:

"FYI: Phx can deal Big Ben for Ty Chandler anytime they want. They're checking all other options before going down that road."

So basically, as I've said before, the Suns can have Chandler if they want him, basically for nothing. There is no argument that having Chandler as our starting center, as opposed to not having Chandler and being forced to start Lopez, will make us a better team next season. We already gave away Shaq for nothing and getting Chandler is the only way to justify that move. Will Sarver do what's best for the team, or will he buy-out Wallace and pocket the money?

 

[SirStefan32]

So basically, as I've said before, the Suns can have Chandler if they want him, basically for nothing. There is no argument that having Chandler as our starting center, as opposed to not having Chandler and being forced to start Lopez, will make us a better team next season. We already gave away Shaq for nothing and getting Chandler is the only way to justify that move. Will Sarver do what's best for the team, or will he buy-out Wallace and pocket the money?

Getting Chandler is not the only way to justify the Shaq trade. Getting $20 mil off your payroll is justification for Shaq trade.
Sure, starting Chandler will make them a better team NEXT year, but not wanting to pay Chandler the year after that is perfectly reasonable.
Additionally, my guess is that the Suns can get more for Wallace (or his contract, I should say) than Chandler who is grossly overrated.
Buying out Wallace and pocketing the money MIGHT be what's best for the team in the long run.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Can you envision any other scenario in which the Suns are borderline top-6 in the West next season? I sure can't. If they can't trade Stoudemire for a good rebuilding package now, I'll all for making the next two seasons as pain-free as possible. Might as well be "sorta good" if it's the best option on the table.

And that lineup is pretty young outside of Nash. A frontcourt of TC/STAT/Clark/Studley could be very good, and has some pretty good defensive abilities. So the team still has potential, and we could sign a very good free agent in 2011 depending on how long Nash's contract extension is. We might not be a legitimate championship contender (although if we move J-Rich for a defensive guard we could be), but that's significantly better than gutting the team and wallowing in basketball hell like the Grizzlies or Timberwolves.

 

[NoelPHX]

I have loved the Suns since I knew they existed in the 1992-1993 season (family wasn't sports fans) I can understand having a rebuild period but I don't think it is necessary right now. I know Stat is not the healthiest player in the league but we need to build around him. We have to have some pieces in order to attract any other players to our team and despite his deficiencies he is the best player we have to build around.

I really don't like to get down on people but our ownership group is even grating on my nerves and that is hard to do. I am very frustrated with this team and I am glad that I am branching out to watch other teams now that Harden is with Oklahoma City so I can enjoy basketball again and not be so pissed off at our team.

As far as obtaining Chandler, I would do it. It looks like he is our best option. We have don't have our pick next year as of this moment so there is no point in totally blowing up our team since no one will want to come here to help rebuild next year if we don't have SOME talent atleast and even then most of the talent probably has already decided where they want to go in free agency next year anyways. (LeBron, Wade, etc)

 

[Griffin]

Getting Chandler is not the only way to justify the Shaq trade. Getting $20 mil off your payroll is justification for Shaq trade.

But if the Suns aren't going to reinvest that $20 million in order to improve the team now, then how is it justified? Shaq was in the final year of his contract, so the team's financial position would have looked exactly the same next summer regardless of whether or not they traded Shaq now. If they kept Shaq, they could still do whatever they are planning on doing next summer.

 

[NoelPHX]

But if the Suns aren't going to reinvest that $20 million in order to improve the team now, then how is it justified? Shaq was in the final year of his contract, so the team's financial position would have looked exactly the same next summer regardless of whether or not they traded Shaq now. If they kept Shaq, they could still do whatever they are planning on doing next summer.

I would have to think that they would buyout Wallace's contract before the Salary Cap was calculated for the Luxury tax.

 

[Mainstreet]

But if the Suns aren't going to reinvest that $20 million in order to improve the team now, then how is it justified? Shaq was in the final year of his contract, so the team's financial position would have looked exactly the same next summer regardless of whether or not they traded Shaq now. If they kept Shaq, they could still do whatever they are planning on doing next summer.

Exactly. The Suns need to use a substantial part of the savings when the Suns acquired Wallace and Pavlovic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I wonder why no talk about buying Pavolic out. Maybe the Suns are exploring trading him like Wallace. Pavolic's full salary with a buyout might be attractive to some team and might bring Phoenix a better player back. However, I'm sure Phoenix would like a buyout on at least one of these two players.

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I would hope this is true. Wise mgmt keeps all options open.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just thinking. If Hill chose to sign elsewhere could this start a domino effect with Nash. Then if Nash wanted out... well it's probably rebuild mode now. With Hill, Nash and Shaq gone that's 3/5 ths of the Suns normal starting lineup gone.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Again, I read somewhere that Kerr is trying to milk the Hornets for a pick to go along with Chandler. I really think that is funny.

 

[JS22]

Again, I read somewhere that Kerr is trying to milk the Hornets for a pick to go along with Chandler. I really think that is funny.

Why? The Suns need a pick, and they're doing NO a huge favor by taking Chandler off their hands. Remember, NO tried to trade him last year but he failed a physical.

They're getting exactly what they want. An expiring, most likely bought out, contract. Phoenix is taking a small risk in bringing Chandler in due to his salary / health concerns. But we've seen what the Suns training staff can do.

I'd probably demand a 1st round pick too.

Good on Kerr if this is true.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Why? The Suns need a pick, and they're doing NO a huge favor by taking Chandler off their hands. Remember, NO tried to trade him last year but he failed a physical.

They're getting exactly what they want. An expiring, most likely bought out, contract. Phoenix is taking a small risk in bringing Chandler in due to his salary / health concerns. But we've seen what the Suns training staff can do.

I'd probably demand a 1st round pick too.

Good on Kerr if this is true.

More power to 'em if they can get it. I just don't see it.

 

[mojorizen7]

What was the original Chandler deal that got nixed because of failed physical? I can't remember the details.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

What was the original Chandler deal that got nixed because of failed physical? I can't remember the details.

He has a bum toe, and IIRC that doctor that did the surgery is the one who stopped the trade because of the toe.

 

[Michael]

I just don't get it. Why are we even talking rebuilding?

We have a LOT of excellent players on the team and could get a centre that would fit perfectly. Sure thing - health is an issue, but with just two years on his contract, this must be a risk wort taking.

This team is not THAT old by any means! I don't think you find too many NBA teams that won a championship with a core of 22-year-olds. You need a mix of experience and youth (and, of course, talent).

Leandro Barbosa 26
Jason Richardson 28
Amar'e Stoudemire 26

These guys are very good basketball players and in their prime.

Steve Nash 35

A former MVP that still plays great basketball. His defense is an issue, but have a look at how many point guards you can find that combine offense and defense as well as Nash. I remember a couple years ago when we had Jason Kidd running the point (a very good defender) and everybody was complaining about his bad shooting, and how he was such a liability to our offense.
The grass is always greener on the other side...
Nash is a perfect fit for Gentry's system and can lead a team of shooters and high-flyers to be competitive!

Now, if we can get Chandler, that is another 26 year old guy.

Nash/ Barbosa/ Richardson/ Stoudemire/ Chandler is a darn good starting five right there. Now if Grant Hill is going to stay or the Suns can get another (defensive-minded) swingman, this team looks very good.

I'd take that team over a bunch of role-players aquired in trades any day.

This offseason gets just frustrating.

 

[mojorizen7]

He has a bum toe, and IIRC that doctor that did the surgery is the one who stopped the trade because of the toe.

Yeah but was it Chandler for Kwame Brown straight up with OKC?