Suns scout Yi Jianlian

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NBA Scouts Decend On Beijing To Watch Top Chinese Players 19th March, 2007 - 2:54 pm AP -
A group of NBA executives and scouts has descended on southern China to watch top Chinese players Yi Jianlian and Wang Zhizhi battle it out in the China Basketball Association finals.

Top officials from the Chicago Bulls , Philadelphia 76ers , Golden State Warriors , Phoenix Suns and New Jersey Nets watched Wang's Bayi Rockets dispatch Yi's Guangdong Tigers 94-89 in Sunday night's opening game.

Their presence dominated Chinese press reports.

I've seen some highlights of him but I don't get what makes him a lottery pick. Is it just because he's agile for a big?
 

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He's got guard mobility and great under the rim handles and jukes. You can't teach that and height. I am somewhat intrigued, but I gotta know more. Besides, how else is Raja ever going to start an All Star game?
 

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Just becuase the suns are scouting him doesnt mean they are going to pick him. His long but he is a tweener we need size and a banger to help the team corral more rebounds.
 

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Just becuase the suns are scouting him doesnt mean they are going to pick him. His long but he is a tweener we need size and a banger to help the team corral more rebounds.

A tweener?? Between what, 2 and 5?

If Diaw and Amare can play the 5 at their height, Yi can play it at 7'.
 

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He is NOT a tweener, people. His natural position is 4, but could be a 5 in the Suns system with a little added strength. He can NOT play the 3 because he doesn't have the handle, passing or enough agility. Forget about that.

He is not a good defender yet. But his athleticism and length could bother people like Dirk. Actually Dirk only shot 2 for 9 (with 2 both layups) with him defending in the 1st half of the game between China and Germany last year.

He shoots very comfortably from 20 feet out. He can run and gun (at 7 feet), isn't that what the Suns are all about? :)

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Unless he can hit threes at a 37% clip or shows good post offense he will hinder the offense. Isn't the primary knock on Marion (the All Star) that the only good aspect of his offensive game is slashing?
 

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He's quick, must be better than Bateer and Wang ZhiZhi.
But his strength is just average, this compare to other US rookie, weak

But if Suns draft him, I think I can watch 82 live games in China :D
 

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The Suns are just covering themselves for their draft pick.
If they get 4-6, they probably will not take him. 7-10??
 

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Strengths: Good ball handler who has no problem taking opposing defenders off the dribble … Great finisher around the basket as he is capable of making some impressive dunks on the break … Fundamentally sound player with a decent basketball IQ and court awareness … Rarely does Jianlian force the issue, instead he let’s the game come to him … Unlike many players his size, he is a great free throw shooter …Runs the floor especially well considering his size ... His perimeter shooting is very impressive as he can stretch the defense out to 18-20 feet comfortably … While he doesn’t own many back to the basket moves, Jianlian possesses a consistent turnaround jumper in the post … Does a great job of using his long body and athleticism to make an impact on the boards … Passes out of double teams well due to his court vision and awareness … Excels in an open court offense that promotes fast breaks thanks to his mobility and leaping ability … Rarely gets intimidated when physical play occurs … Although he has been on the NBA draft radar for quite some time, and may be a few years older than his listed age, he appears to still have considerable upside … Defensively he is a solid help defender due to his lateral quickness and wingspan … Possesses quick hands that can disrupt passing lanes …

Weaknesses: There is some concern as to what position he will play in the NBA: He lacks the upper body strength and the back to the basket moves at power forward and is a bit long and rangy for the three … Needs to improve his three point shooting to play minutes to be effective at SF … Despite his vast improvement, Jianlian needs to continue to develop his upper body strength … At this point of his career, he’s more comfortable facing the basket than with his back to the basket … Although he doesn’t shy away from physical contact he can get disrupted with rough post play … Struggles to maintain his position in the low post as opposing defenders tend to push him out … Defensively he will not be the huge shot blocking presence that he is in the China, due to his timing and the speed of the NBA game … Has a habit of putting the ball on the floor to achieve rhythm instead of keeping the ball high away from opposing guards …. Confidence can wavier in games when he’s struggling to score … Although listed as being born in 1987 many within China place him between 1985-1986 … Doesn’t always play defensive with great intensity, he won’t be able to get away with it in the NBA …

That's the scouting report from nbadraft.net. He's my second choice after Horford (who'll probably be gone).
 

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The Suns are just covering themselves for their draft pick.
If they get 4-6, they probably will not take him. 7-10??

Even more, if the Suns draft him, we have a chance of a 4/5 starting all star game

Nash
Marion
Amare
Yi
 

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Even more, if the Suns draft him, we have a chance of a 4/5 starting all star game

Nash
Marion
Amare
Yi

That would actually be possible except that three of those guys are front court players and Yao will be the center. Of course, four players _in_ the all star game would be pretty cool anyway. Though it would make the Fakers and Cuban fans even bitterer.
 

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Like Zarko?

That just hurts. It's true that if Yi is as soft as Zarko the long term will be dim. However, in theory if Zarko had continued to play like he did that game against Dallas (instead of getting taken out by a thug and having his confidence crushed) he would have been a valuable addition.
 

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Unless he can hit threes at a 37% clip or shows good post offense he will hinder the offense. Isn't the primary knock on Marion (the All Star) that the only good aspect of his offensive game is slashing?


Marion can't score one-on-one and isn't able to develop any such skill. Yi can and will develop better low post and better handle. Offensively, he has the talent to become a more athletic Gasol. As some said, he is agile like a guard.

Oh, he is the opposite of Zarko.:p
 

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That just hurts. It's true that if Yi is as soft as Zarko the long term will be dim. However, in theory if Zarko had continued to play like he did that game against Dallas (instead of getting taken out by a thug and having his confidence crushed) he would have been a valuable addition.

I don't think he is soft mentally, but maybe not strong enough yet physically. But to be a star in the CBA, his current strength has been sufficient. Yao was weak to start as a rookie but he got the will and talent to become better. Yi will do the same I think.
 

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well the problem with Yao is he is small. it loks like yi is more athletic than yao. His wingspan is pretty good too but like i said he is a tweener. He lacks the size. we need a banger. in any case the only pick the suns are guaranteed is their own and clevelands. as for atlanta they are playing well but we shall see how long that lasts.
 

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well the problem with Yao is he is small. it loks like yi is more athletic than yao. His wingspan is pretty good too but like i said he is a tweener. He lacks the size. we need a banger. in any case the only pick the suns are guaranteed is their own and clevelands. as for atlanta they are playing well but we shall see how long that lasts.


Yao is small? Whataya talking about? Yi is more athletic than Yao? that's the understatement of the centery. Yi is more athletic than almost all 7-footers in the NBA with the exception of maybe KG and Dwight Howard, least more athletic than Dirk and Gasol. See the elevation in the dunk in wireonfire's post as a proof.

My main point was that the main shortcomings against him like lack of strength and lowpost game could be a result of the low level of competition in the CBA. Our team should do a careful scout to see whether he'd adapt to the tougher competition here in NBA, which Yao certainly succeeded to do.
 

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Yao is small? Whataya talking about? Yi is more athletic than Yao? that's the understatement of the centery. Yi is more athletic than almost all 7-footers in the NBA with the exception of maybe KG and Dwight Howard, least more athletic than Dirk and Gasol. See the elevation in the dunk in wireonfire's post as a proof.

My main point was that the main shortcomings against him like lack of strength and lowpost game could be a result of the low level of competition in the CBA. Our team should do a careful scout to see whether he'd adapt to the tougher competition here in NBA, which Yao certainly succeeded to do.

Another thing about Yi is that unlike Yao, he has a bigger fire and nastiness to the way he plays. Definitely an American mindset.
 

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well the problem with Yao is he is small. it loks like yi is more athletic than yao. His wingspan is pretty good too but like i said he is a tweener. He lacks the size. we need a banger. in any case the only pick the suns are guaranteed is their own and clevelands. as for atlanta they are playing well but we shall see how long that lasts.

You keep saying that he is a tweener, but between what? You need to clarify here.
 

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Yao impressed with latest Chinese star

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Yi Jianlian is a 7-footer who could be a top 10 draft pick.
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DETROIT - Yao Ming, all 7-6, 310 pounds of him, even seated on a folding chair in the cramped visitors' locker room in the Wachovia Center, is an imposing presence. That's where the Houston Rockets' center was before Sunday night's game against the 76ers. He was meeting, as he does regularly, with two journalists from his homeland of China who chronicle his every move, his every opinion. On this night, the conversation included a reporter from Houston and one from the Daily News. From a Philadelphia perspective, the primary subject was the next big thing from China. That would be Yi Jianlian, the 7-footer from Shenzhen, China, who is trying to help his Guangdong Tigers win a fourth straight national championship.

With Yi projected as a top 10 pick in the upcoming NBA draft, the Sixers are among the teams that have sent a contingent to scout him in person. The Sixers' group includes president/general manager Billy King, senior vice president/assistant general manager Tony DiLeo and director of player personnel Courtney Witte.

"[Yi] is very close to a player like Amare Stoudemire [of the Phoenix Suns]," Yao suggested when asked for a comparison. "He's taller, almost 7 feet. He has very nice touch. He's very athletic. I think he has good . . . balance for a great player."
With that, Yao paused, turning to the Chinese journalists for assistance with a word he was searching for. With a few words exchanged among them, Yao turned back and said "fundamentals."

But is Yi ready for the NBA? Yao smiled, as if he had been asked that question many times during the season. Yao was the No. 1 overall pick by the Rockets in 2002, the first international player to be taken No. 1. Since then, he has been named to the All-Star Game five times in succession; he did not play in the most recent game, in Las Vegas, as he was recovering from a broken leg.
"Is he ready for the NBA?" he finally said, repeating the question. "From my experience, it's very important for him to play in summer league. I think that will be good for him and his team, which team drafts him. I was not in summer league the year the Rockets drafted me, and I had a very tough start. For a player from China, you need time to adjust.

"It's hard to say [whether he is ready]. When I left China, he just started, so we never matched up. I never played against him. I was his teammate on the national team the last 3 years. He's a very good 4-position [power forward] player, can play a little 5
. He's a good shot-blocker. He just needs the right training, people who can tell him how to play at this level."

Yao, who had 24 points and 10 rebounds in the Rockets' 124-74 crushing of the Sixers on Sunday, went into the game averaging a career-best 24.5 points, plus 9.3 rebounds and 2.03 blocks in 34 games. He missed 32 games with his injury, but he and Hakeem Olajuwon are the only Rockets ever to be named starters in at least five All-Star Games.
Yi, who has been reported to be anywhere from 19 to 24 years old and has represented his country in both the Olympics and World Championships, averaged 20.5 points and 9.6 rebounds last season. There had been speculation that he might enter the draft last year, but his team wanted a chance at a fourth title; the Tigers lost Game 1 of the finals on Sunday, 94-89, to the Bayi Rockets, led by former NBA player Wang Zhizhi.

"He's a good player, and from what I see, athletic," said journalist Wang Mang, of Titan Sports, who has been following Yao, sending reports back to China. "From that aspect, he is quicker [than Yao]. His explosive strength is much better than Yao. Yao has a much better [shooting] touch, but Yi can move quicker.

"When Yao first came to America, he was not an NBA type. He didn't work in the post, just shot from outside. Yi will fit in quicker because he can move quick, shoot from the perimeter. Yi is a little bit quiet. He thinks a lot, but doesn't want to share his thoughts. People in China think he won't be as successful as Yao. They think he doesn't seem to have [the same] desire, that he's not as hungry as Yao.

"But Yi is really hungry, especially this year. When we got confirmation that he will come to the NBA, he's worked so hard."
It is, to say the least, a difficult transition. That's what it was for Yao.
"There's no great leap," said Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy, referring to Yao's development, in part through constant workouts with assistant head coach Tom Thibodeau, a onetime Sixers assistant. "It was steady progress, day to day, because [Yao] is such a tremendous worker. He has a unique work ethic that allows him, good game or bad game, to come in the next day and put in his time to study and work on his game."
Various Web sites have listed Yi at about 230 pounds, with a need for upper-body strength. But he is also referred to as the best international prospect, even though the level of competition in China remains a question.

He has drawn comparisons to former NBA star Toni Kukoc, and to current players Pau Gasol, of Memphis, and Charlie Villanueva, of Milwaukee.
One thing we definitely know: He's a valuable commodity. He signed an endorsement deal with McDonald's in January. *

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070320_Yao_impressed_with_latest_Chinese_star.html
 

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Yep, there is an Insider article in ESPN that claims he's a taller version of Amare.
 

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when I said yao was small I meant to say he plays small. he should dominate but doesnt.
 

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