Suns sign PG Isaiah Canaan

[JCSunsfan]

Yep. I have a hunch that was the guy he used to be. That’s the trick to beating the Suns. Cover everyone else and let the pg think that he is the one who should shoot. Once he starts shooting, he can’t stop, no matter which guard it is. Game over.

 

[Mainstreet]

Canaan, Ulis and James are backup PG candidates for next season. That's how I look at it. At least Canaan had two respectable games before last night

It will be interesting to see how Canaan plays tonight against the Grizzlies.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Canaan, Ulis and James are backup PG candidates for next season. That's how I look at it. At least Canaan had two respectable games before last night

It will be interesting to see how Canaan plays tonight against the Grizzlies.

Thats why people should temper their enthusiasm when judging players short term successes. One , two, or three games wont tell the tale. The same with Len. Ive seen over 4 years who this guy is. A few good games in this contract year doesnt make me all warm and fuzzy towards signing him to a big contract next year.

 

[devilalum]

At least Canaan has the excuse of only playing 3 games with the team. Luis and James just stink.

Ulis autocorrected to Luis.


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[Mainstreet]

Thats why people should temper their enthusiasm when judging players short term successes. One , two, or three games wont tell the tale. The same with Len. Ive seen over 4 years who this guy is. A few good games in this contract year doesnt make me all warm and fuzzy towards signing him to a big contract next year.

I agree for the most part. Enjoy them before they are gone.

 

[Errntknght]

Yep, that's the loose Canaan I saw on the Sixers... we'll see if Triano can get him back on his moorings.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yep, that's the loose Canaan I saw on the Sixers... we'll see if Triano can get him back on his moorings.

Well. At least we know he is capable of playing like a true pg.

As far as tempered responses, (whoever said it) we are just taking one game at a time.
Most responses have been excited but with the “only two games” caveat.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well. At least we know he is capable of playing like a true pg.

As far as tempered responses, (whoever said it) we are just taking one game at a time.
Most responses have been excited but with the “only two games” caveat.

Uh there’s a ton of talk about how to keep for the rest of the season. I think 2 games was premature to start that talk.

 

[SirStefan32]

Uh there’s a ton of talk about how to keep for the rest of the season. I think 2 games was premature to start that talk.

Not when the other PG options are Mike James and Tyler Ulis.

 

[Mainstreet]

Uh there’s a ton of talk about how to keep for the rest of the season. I think 2 games was premature to start that talk.

It was premature to speculate but the Suns brought Canaan here for a reason.

As @SirStefan32 said, the Suns didn't have better options.

 

[SirStefan32]

Also, according to McD, they worked out Canaan during the summer, and liked him a lot, but with Bledsoe and Ulis on the roster, they felt they needed a shooting guard due to injuries to Knight and Reed. I am assuming that's why they got Daniels instead of Canaan.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All reasonable points.

 

[Hoop Head]

Canaan played more like he did in the first 2 games than the Clippers game. I know he's not the long term solution but he's been solid for the Suns. He's averaging 13 ppg, 5 apg, 1.5 stls, 2.25 to's, and shooting 41% from the field and 43% from 3. I know it's only 4 games but those aren't bad numbers and his composure has been solid and how the 2nd unit has been playing with him is enough that it makes sense that the majority of people want to keep him around. It's not just his own numbers as much as how effective the team has been when he's running the point.

 

[BC867]

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By 3 lead Centers, I meant that there is not one whom you could count on to finish the game.

It might be Chandler or Monroe, depending on who is starting that day. Or it might be Len.

This is typical basketball.

I was referring to Centers being counted on to rebound more than Forwards. For the first time in decades (or maybe even ever), that has finally been the standard for the Suns.[/QUOTE]

 

[Mainstreet]

So the Suns sign Canaan only for the rest of the season. I was hoping it would be a multiyear contract with team options.

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Sources: Suns are signing guard Isaiah Canaan to a minimum deal for the remainder of the season. Canaan has averaged 13 points, 5 assists since joining team on hardship exception.

9:06 PM - 22 Dec 2017

 

[JCSunsfan]

So the Suns sign Canaan only for the rest of the season. I was hoping it would be a multiyear contract with team options.

I am sure we can extend if we like. This summer is going to be big for the Suns. Lots of cap space. Lots of picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Canaan played more like he did in the first 2 games than the Clippers game. I know he's not the long term solution but he's been solid for the Suns. He's averaging 13 ppg, 5 apg, 1.5 stls, 2.25 to's, and shooting 41% from the field and 43% from 3. I know it's only 4 games but those aren't bad numbers and his composure has been solid and how the 2nd unit has been playing with him is enough that it makes sense that the majority of people want to keep him around. It's not just his own numbers as much as how effective the team has been when he's running the point.

It’s just amazing. He has been known as a shameless gunner and all of a sudden he reinvents himself in The Gleague. I wish young point guards would understand how much more valuable they are when they distribute.

Teams do use this as a defense though. Lay off a guy like Canaan and cover everyone else and he will go into hero mode. Once there he will start jacking up contested threes and the game is over.

 

[JCSunsfan]

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The amazing thing about this is that Isaiah Canaan is 6th and 5th. Alex Len is 4th in net rating. That bench of the Suns has really performed well.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advan...017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&LastNGames=5

 

[Hoop Head]

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The amazing thing about this is that Isaiah Canaan is 6th and 5th. Alex Len is 4th in net rating. That bench of the Suns has really performed well.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*15&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular Season&LastNGames=5

Alex Len is 1st in Offensive Rebound %, 3rd in Defensive Rebound %, and 2nd in overall Rebound %.

Troy Daniels is 5th in TS% at 77.3% and 19th in EFG% at 71.7%.

Len and Monroe are 4th and 5th in Player Impact Estimate at 19.7. I'm not familiar with that stat but the only players ahead of them are Russell Westbrook, Clint Capela, and Kevin Durant. If Capela wasn't listed I think that would be more impressive but it shows how valuable they have been, especially Len considering he played in 5 games compared to Monroe's 2. DeAndre Jordan, Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Joel Embiid, and Bobby Portis round out the top 10 in that stat category.

Here is the definition for PIE...

PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. PIE yields results which are comparable to other advanced statistics (e.g. PER) using a simple formula.

You can click the hyperlink above for the formula for PIE.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Alex Len is 1st in Offensive Rebound %, 3rd in Defensive Rebound %, and 2nd in overall Rebound %.

Troy Daniels is 5th in TS% at 77.3% and 19th in EFG% at 71.7%.

Len and Monroe are 4th and 5th in Player Impact Estimate at 19.7. I'm not familiar with that stat but the only players ahead of them are Russell Westbrook, Clint Capela, and Kevin Durant. If Capela wasn't listed I think that would be more impressive but it shows how valuable they have been, especially Len considering he played in 5 games compared to Monroe's 2. DeAndre Jordan, Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Joel Embiid, and Bobby Portis round out the top 10 in that stat category.

Here is the definition for PIE...

PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. PIE yields results which are comparable to other advanced statistics (e.g. PER) using a simple formula.

You can click the hyperlink above for the formula for PIE.

All this seems to say that this team could be better than it seems, given a real pg.

 

[Mainstreet]

Alex Len is 1st in Offensive Rebound %, 3rd in Defensive Rebound %, and 2nd in overall Rebound %.

Troy Daniels is 5th in TS% at 77.3% and 19th in EFG% at 71.7%.

Len and Monroe are 4th and 5th in Player Impact Estimate at 19.7. I'm not familiar with that stat but the only players ahead of them are Russell Westbrook, Clint Capela, and Kevin Durant. If Capela wasn't listed I think that would be more impressive but it shows how valuable they have been, especially Len considering he played in 5 games compared to Monroe's 2. DeAndre Jordan, Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Joel Embiid, and Bobby Portis round out the top 10 in that stat category.

Here is the definition for PIE...

PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. PIE yields results which are comparable to other advanced statistics (e.g. PER) using a simple formula.

You can click the hyperlink above for the formula for PIE.

Good find.

 

[Mainstreet]

Scott Bordow at azcentral writes a nice article dated 12-23-17 on why the Suns kept Canaan over other options.

The decision to keep Canaan over James – and the third option, buying out center Greg Monroe’s contract – came down to three factors.

First, with Booker likely to return within a week and first-year guard Davon Reed coming back around Jan. 1, the Suns were going to have a numbers problem in the backcourt. It made more sense to waive a guard than buy out Monroe, particularly with interim coach Jay Triano wanting to keep 35-year-old Tyson Chandler healthy and rested by sitting him out in the back end of back-to-back contests.

Second, the Suns viewed Canaan as more of a natural point guard than James. Canaan has had at least three assists in each of his four games, and Triano liked the way Canaan got Phoenix into its offense and moved the ball. Conversely, the Suns believed the ball stuck too much with James, who is more of a natural scorer.

“He’s a playmaker, he can get to the basket and he has a little bit more NBA experience,” Triano said of Canaan, who has bounced around the league since the Houston Rockets drafted him in the second round of the 2013 draft.

Third, and perhaps most importantly, the 6-foot, 200-pound Canaan gives the Suns a physical and willing defender on the perimeter. Phoenix has held opponents to under 100 points twice in the past four games – that had occurred only three times in the previous 30 games – and its defensive rating in those four games ranks fourth in the NBA. (The Suns’ season-long rating is 27th.)

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo.../?hootPostID=c5756eb421a7231bcaf9412f34971a36

 

[Hoop Head]

Canaan was available when James was signed. Of course he hadn't played yet but the Suns made a mistake signing James only to waive him 2 weeks later. I know it's not a big deal but it's another thing that makes the front office look a bit unprepared. The Northern AZ Suns traded for Canaan by giving up their 1st pick in the G-League draft only to end up not getting to use him.

I'm not sure how the G-League draft works but I can't imagine that will hurt them all that much but it won't certainly won't help them. Glad the G-League isn't a true farm system yet but it appears to be headed in that direction. They've come a long way in the last decade. I'm not sure how the G-League draft works but I've been trying to follow them more each year and with them in AZ now and Two-Way contracts, it's been easier to remember to check up on that team semi-regularly.

 

[Ronin]

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[JCSunsfan]

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I think this is a fairly meaningless stat unless the second part ONLY includes games when Canaan has been on the roster.