Suns Sign Q!!! Kittles to Clippers!!!

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What do you guys think? I think the next move will happen rather quickly.


i think that the roster will fill out really quick now. we have 12 people under contact look for 15 on the roster for the season. 12 reg and 3 ir. one of those spots will be filled out by some no name for the summer (tabuese) and at least one i think will be scott williams.
 

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corrado said:
I would have preferred ED but now that we have 'Q' according to Brian Colangelo, he is already working on the next deal. I suspect that would HAVE to be an acquisition of a Center either via a trade or an unrestricted signing (ie. Joel Prysbilla, etc.). What do you guys think? I think the next move will happen rather quickly.


Where did he say he was already working on the next deal??
 

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Next Deal

On azcentral.com there is article about getting 'Q' that Brian is estatic but is already working on the next deal.
 

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Azcentral: Richardson is newest Sun

Azcentral: Richardson is newest Sun

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 29, 2004 12:00 AM


Quentin Richardson is the newest member of the Suns.

Q's career stats
Year Points Rebounds
03-04 17.2 6.3
02-03 9.4 4.8
01-02 13.3 4.1
00-01 8.1 3.4
The Suns learned Thursday morning that the Clippers declined to match Phoenix's 6-year, $44 million offer sheet to the 24-year-old swingman. Thursday was the deadline for the Clippers to make a decision on Richardson, a restricted free agent who had signed the offer sheet with Phoenix on July 14.

"I'm elated, but I'm already working on the next deal," said Suns President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo.

Richardson gives the Suns a loaded backcourt with Steve Nash, Joe Johnson and Leandro Barbosa.

Richardson is coming off a career-best season in his first year as a fulltime starter. He averaged 17.2 points, 6.4 rebounds and 2.1 assists.

Richardson became expendable to the Clippers after they made a Thursday morning trade with New Jersey to acquire shooting guard Kerry Kittles.
 

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This is great news.

The Suns are a much better team with Q than they are with Dampier and there's no gaurentee that the Suns would have got Capt. Contractyear anyway.

Last year it seemed like the Suns got destroyed night after night when the bench came into the game. This summer they have added Nash and Q. Now they can send in Q and Barbosa.

Q and Barbosa are both such high energy guys, they'll destroy most other teams backup backcourts.
 

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The Suns are a much better team with Q than they are with Dampier and there's no gaurentee that the Suns would have got Capt. Contractyear anyway.
Chad Ford thinks the Suns might still be in the hunt for Dampier even with Q, noting a logjam at 2/3. He's thinking Marion or JJ could be up for grabs if a deal could be worked.

I'm standing firm on my note this morning: a friend of mine who's probably in the know says unless there's been a major philosophical change, the Suns were never interested in Dampier with or without Q. I think the implication of Damp and the Suns was merely conjecture and wishful speculation from us, ESPN neo-experts and NBA busibodies.

I believe the deal BC is now working on involves other teams and other players we may or may not have already considered.
 

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Gaddabout said:
Chad Ford thinks the Suns might still be in the hunt for Dampier even with Q, noting a logjam at 2/3. He's thinking Marion or JJ could be up for grabs if a deal could be worked.

I'm standing firm on my note this morning: a friend of mine who's probably in the know says unless there's been a major philosophical change, the Suns were never interested in Dampier with or without Q. I think the implication of Damp and the Suns was merely conjecture and wishful speculation from us, ESPN neo-experts and NBA busibodies.

I believe the deal BC is now working on involves other teams and other players we may or may not have already considered.

I read a quote from BC yesterday where he stated that contrary to rumor the Suns have never been interest in any players with questionable track records. Or something like that.

It seemed like a pretty direct reference to Dampier.
 

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devilalum said:
I read a quote from BC yesterday where he stated that contrary to rumor the Suns have never been interest in any players with questionable track records. Or something like that.

It seemed like a pretty direct reference to Dampier.

Well, Gambo said they weren't interested so that's good enough for me. :rolleyes:

Seriously, they may have felt that Dampier doesn't play hard all the time and that he is not well suited to a running game. It's hard to say, because they never had enough money to do a deal (at the time the Suns signed Q, Dampier was asking at least $3 million more).
 

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Here's an update on the Q, Kittles, and Dampier situations from Chad Ford. It's nothing we didn't already know, but fun to read about, anyway... :)


The Clippers decided not to match the Suns' six-year, $42.6 million offer sheet for Quentin Richardson, sources told Insider. Instead, they traded for Nets shooting guard Kerry Kittles in a move that preserves their cap space for next season.

With most of the free-agent dollars dried up, several teams and player agents were waiting with bated breath for the decision. The Clippers' decision not to match for Q, but to trade for Kittles, may have been the worst of all worlds for the few free agents left out there.

If the Clippers had matched, suddenly the Suns would've become players in the free-agent market again. Warriors free-agent center Erick Dampier has been waiting over a week to see what happens with Phoenix. The Suns still needed a big man and Dampier would've been a good fit. However, with Q on the books, the Suns are totally out of cap space.

Their pursuit of Dampier may not be over, however. With Q in the fold, the team now has a logjam of swingmen with Richardson, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion and Casey Jacobsen. The Suns could attempt to package Marion in a deal for Dampier if they feel they still need a center. Johnson could be another trade target. He's up for a lucrative extension this summer and, depending on what he asks for, the Suns could choose to move him instead of meeting his asking price.

By not matching, the Clippers had roughly $13.2 million in cap space to use. However, they absorbed all of Kittles' $10.3 million contract in the trade, leaving them around three million under the cap. Why would the Clippers pay Kittles $10.3 million but refuse to pay Richardson (arguably the better player) $5.8 million next year? With Kittles and Marko Jaric coming off the books next summer, the Clippers will have max cap room to play with again next year.

With the Clippers and Suns now out of the free-agent market, that leaves only the Hawks and Bobcats with significant cap room to re-sign free agents. The Hawks have been talking to Dampier and Stromile Swift. The Bobcats have been pretty quiet with GM Bernie Bickerstaff indicating that he's happy with the roster they've put together.

The Nets, by virtue of not getting back anything in return for Kittles, also acquire a $10.3 million trade exception they can use. Theoretically, the Nets could acquire any player in a trade who makes up to $10.3 million without sending out a player in return. They cannot, however, use the exception to sign a free agent. Given the cost cutting that Bruce Ratner is forcing GM Rod Thorn to undergo, it's doubtful that the team will use the exception, however.

"We don't want to be a taxpayer," Thorn told Insider on Thursday afternoon. "This was an attempt to make that possible."

The Nets now stand at $47 million in payroll, about $6 million short of where the threshold landed last season. Thorn told Insider he expects to use part of his mid-level exception and possibly their $1.6 million exception, but the team won't go overboard.

"We need to fill in a few holes," Thorn told Insider. "Making this deal allows us to add several smaller pieces. Kerry was very good for us, but he was a role player. We felt like we could sacrifice him and still be good."


More options for Damp? Now that the Suns are likely out of the picture, look for Dampier to land in either New York or Atlanta by early next week.

The Knicks have reportedly upped their offer to Golden State, offering Kurt Thomas and Othella Harrington (who is in the last year of his contract) to the Warriors for Dampier in a sign-and-trade. Thomas could provide the Warriors with a much-needed veteran presence at the four, though Chris Mullin might balk at the five years, $36.8 million left on his contract.

If things don't go that way, Dampier will likely sign the Hawks' offer. The Hawks have, according to sources, upped their offer to Dampier now that they've received considerable trade interest from several teams, including the Grizzlies. The Warriors may not be interested in doing a sign-and-trade, but the Hawks wouldn't be averse to signing Dampier and then trading him. If they sign Dampier, they won't be able to trade him until Dec. 15.

There's always the risk, given his history, that Dampier will get injured and become untradeable before the deadline. But if he goes to Atlanta and plays well for a few months, it may convince a team like the Grizzlies or Pacers to make a trade that could help fill a number of holes that the Hawks have.
 

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It does sound as though Dampier was never really an option, so it's good that the Suns have picked up Richardson. :thumbup:

I'm surprised that Bryan Colangelo would say, so directly, that he's already working on the next deal. That's a pretty bold statement. Maybe it's just a minimum signing for one of the leftover big men out there, but that I don't think that would be something to brag about.

This is really weird, like waiting for the other shoe to drop. If the next deal is a trade, rather than a minimum FA signing, who's leaving the team?
 

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A lot of people have been talking about Marion trades, which makes some sense with 3 starters (Marion, JJ & Q) for 2 spots. I want to take another angle and say that getting Q makes Casey expendable.

There are a few centers that have salaries similar to Jacobsens: Francisco Elson (Nuggets), Dan Gadzuric (Bucks), Vladimir Stepania (Blazers) & Curtis Borchardt (Jazz). The only other long shot would be Nenad Kristic who the Nets drafted a few yrs ago and just signed a contract.

I would much rather trade Casey than Marion.
 

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RedStripe27 said:
I still wish we had gotten Damps instead.

Local reports had the Suns not interested in Dampier at all. Even if they had not gotten Q, they would not have signed Dampier. Not that I agree with the evaluation, but it does make this signing more encouraging.
 

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here is what the coach is saying about the signing.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/dantoniqa_040729.html

Suns.com: Has it been a long two weeks waiting to hear what the Clippers were going to do?

Mike D’Antoni: It has been. It feels like we were kind of suspended in time for a while, but at my age that's pretty good (laughs). Usually at this age, time flies by, so it’s better.

It worked out. This is the guy that we really wanted and we went after it. There was some uncertainty, as there will be any time you make an offer sheet, especially on a good player and we think we got a good one.

This is a great place to be and the team got better. There are a lot of good positives out there right now. It’s up to us now to capitalize on it.

Suns.com: What positives does Richardson bring to the Suns?

Mike D’Antoni: The biggest thing is that our depth now is enormous. He’s one of the better rebounding, tough, tenacious guard/forwards around. He’s going to add that toughness and a post-up presence, and a rebounder that any team would need. We’re just adding very serious pieces to our team and we’re getting a lot better.

Suns.com: Do you have any idea where he will fit on the roster and rotation?

Mike D’Antoni: He’s a player and he’s going to play a lot of minutes. We’ll see how that all works out. I have no idea the dynamics of the team yet, but he’s a great talent. Anybody would need that type of player. We’ll work on the dynamics a little later.

Suns.com: What kind of effect do you think he will have on the court and in the locker room?

Mike D’Antoni: Because he plays so hard and he is so tenacious, his attitude of wanting to play hard and coming every day to practice is just going to be another positive. We do have a team of guys like that, so that just adds to it and makes it a lot nice, that’s for sure. He will definitely be an influence. He’ll be a good influence. He plays the right way and we’re just glad to have him on our side.

Suns.com: Richardson is in the news for another reason today after reportedly proposing marriage to Brandy. What are your thoughts on that?

Mike D’Antoni: Congratulations to him and Brandy. That’s great. I’m sure it’s an exciting time for him. He’s got a new adventure going on a couple of fronts, so that will be great for him also.

Suns.com: What are your overall impressions of the offseason so far?

Mike D’Antoni: It’s going good. I think we’ve addressed our needs, what we wanted when we went into free agency, and now we’ve gotten two really good players who are good leaders and hard, young workers. We still are looking to add another piece to get a little bit bigger.

The summer league was great because of the improvement of our guys from Casey to Leandro to Maciej. So, it’s been a good summer so far. Of course, this is just the summertime. It’s up to us now to just keep putting the pieces together and have a good winter now.
 

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jbeecham said:
A lot of people have been talking about Marion trades, which makes some sense with 3 starters (Marion, JJ & Q) for 2 spots. I want to take another angle and say that getting Q makes Casey expendable.

There are a few centers that have salaries similar to Jacobsens: Francisco Elson (Nuggets), Dan Gadzuric (Bucks), Vladimir Stepania (Blazers) & Curtis Borchardt (Jazz). The only other long shot would be Nenad Kristic who the Nets drafted a few yrs ago and just signed a contract.

I would much rather trade Casey than Marion.

The problem with trading MArion for a center is that there is no way the Suns will get equal value.

I still haven't gotten over the Majerlie for Hot Rod deal. Do the Suns need a big stiff bad enough to trade Matrix? I like your idea of sending CJake for a big warm 6 foul body.
 

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There are a few centers that have salaries similar to Jacobsens: Francisco Elson (Nuggets), Dan Gadzuric (Bucks), Vladimir Stepania (Blazers) & Curtis Borchardt (Jazz).

It's very unlikely that Jacobsen could fetch any of these players in a trade. Probably, the Suns would also have to include at least a first-round pick.
 

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Most likely, the next aquisition will be Tractor Traylor. While he's no world-beater, he's big, and gives us good depth.
 

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It's very unlikely that Jacobsen could fetch any of these players in a trade. Probably, the Suns would also have to include at least a first-round pick.

Which is difficult 'cause we still owe San Antonio one
 

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I really believe that C Jacobson will be moved along with the Chicago pick for a big man and that Marion is not going anywhere. I would hate too see Marion get moved because I think Nash will have a profound effect on his play this season. I think Nash and Barbosa are perfect fits for the style of basketball the Suns want to play, where Marbury just wasnt a good fit style wise. JMO
 

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elindholm said:
There are a few centers that have salaries similar to Jacobsens: Francisco Elson (Nuggets), Dan Gadzuric (Bucks), Vladimir Stepania (Blazers) & Curtis Borchardt (Jazz).

It's very unlikely that Jacobsen could fetch any of these players in a trade. Probably, the Suns would also have to include at least a first-round pick.

None of those guys are worth a first round pick, let alone throwing Casey in.
 

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I have a hunch that either Houston or Indiana are going to be involved in a deal involving either Clarence Weatherspoon or Scott Pollard for Eisley. Casey or Chicago's pick may be involved to make the deal a go, although all 3 players are of equal talent and contract, so a straight up deal doesn't seem too far fetched.
 

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None of the options are wonderful.

1. Best bet is Trailor and/or JP for a vet minimum. I think the Suns held off doing anything on this on the chance that they would have more cap space and a different set of options.

2. Eisley and a second for Pollard may not be enough, but Indiana has four centers: Foster, Bender, Harrison (their first round pick) and Pollard with minimal PG depth.

3. Jacobsen for a third stringer like Elson. So far Elson has not proven he is better than Trailor or LP. Ditto for Hunter.
 

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