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Haha, nice. Touche.
Suns - Sixers 12-29: Vinsanity or just more Insanity?
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Haha, nice. Touche.
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That is absolutely correct. It enrages me that Dragic has not improved his ball handling. It may not be the biggest weakness in his game, but it would be the easiest one to fix. He's obviously well coordinated, so he just needs to spend the offseason doing ball-handling drills. And yet this is now his third year in the league, his right hand is still basically useless, and he lacks the dexterity to evade any sort of pressure.
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Agreed as well. I still wonder if Goran would be a better two guard ala Manu rather than a PG.
Hard to experiment with that right now, as we have (say it with me) "too many wings", and only 2 PGs.
Chaplin
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One of the odd things about Alvin's rotations is that with our number of wings, why doesn't he run an offense where Grant plays the traditional point guard role? He's got the skills to do it, after all.
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I agree. I thought that was something he should have done tonight when Dragic sat down with 3 fouls.
BC867
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True. I think there is also the psychological side. When Dragic comes into the game, Steve Nash (and the offense that is set up for him) is an extremely difficult act to follow.
It seems to me that whenever someone follows a legend, he winds up being a frustrated buffer. Then the one who follows him has a clear path to grow.
The best example I have ever seen was after the death of Roberto Clemente. Rather than put a right fielder out there to follow him, the Pirates moved Clemente's best friend Manny Sanguillén, who was the team's Catcher, to RF for a few months. He wasn't comfortable there.
Then they were free to find a right fielder who wouldn't have to step right into the shoes of a legend. It was an awkward couple of months but, in the long run, it helped the team . . . and the player who ultimately succeeded Clemente.
hill as a pg is something that i thought he would do when he first came to the suns. but hill as a pg was never integretated into the suns offense. at first it was initially thought that he'd fill that role coming off the bench, but hill off the bench was less productive than hill as a starter. it just never materialized.
hill or carter could help run that second unit. hill would do it, but he's more effective starting and we need his defense in the first unit. who knows if carter will be willing to come off the bench to spark that second unit, i highly doubt it. but we need something other than dragic right now. our second unit continues to struggle.
hill or carter could help run that second unit. hill would do it, but he's more effective starting and we need his defense in the first unit. who knows if carter will be willing to come off the bench to spark that second unit, i highly doubt it. but we need something other than dragic right now. our second unit continues to struggle.
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Because he's too busy playing Power Forward.
"4" and "1" average out to "2.5".
It's like the guy standing with one foot in boiling water and the other in dry ice. On average, he's pretty comfortable.
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One of the bright spots of the bench is Pietrus. Why didn't Dudley shoot more threes today? Normally he shoots a lot but today only 1!?
Dragic needs to be sent to the D-League. We need to trade for a PG that can actually keep us in the game when Nash leaves.
2 years ago, I was one of the people that thought we should have got Holiday instead of Clark. But then Dragic surprised everyone that season so it was all good. Now today it was kind of ironic for me because Holiday played so well and Dragic played so bad.
If Orlando is willing to part with Nelson or Duhon since they have 3 PGs, I would do a deal with them. Or maybe try a trade for Devin Harris or Ramon Sessions. We need somebody because there is no way Nash can continue playing 38 minutes a game.
Dragic needs to be sent to the D-League. We need to trade for a PG that can actually keep us in the game when Nash leaves.
2 years ago, I was one of the people that thought we should have got Holiday instead of Clark. But then Dragic surprised everyone that season so it was all good. Now today it was kind of ironic for me because Holiday played so well and Dragic played so bad.
If Orlando is willing to part with Nelson or Duhon since they have 3 PGs, I would do a deal with them. Or maybe try a trade for Devin Harris or Ramon Sessions. We need somebody because there is no way Nash can continue playing 38 minutes a game.
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Man I haven't been able to watch the suns the past few days, why are we playing so badly I mean losing to the 76ers at home giving up 123 points wtf.... come on suns try to play some defense. Hope the suns start a win streak soon and get back in the playoff race. Maybe Vince will not having much hope though
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My take is that Suns also wanted Barbosa to take over Nash and that didn't work well at all because Barbosa just can't envision the court the way Nash does and if I remember correctly, Barbosa is still dribbling with his head looking down.
I think Suns made the choice to train Dragic as Nash's back-up point guard but Dragic doesn't excel in Nash's System (yet). Dragic excels in last season's system with 4 other guys that he used to play with regularly.
The constant changing in line-ups really frustrates Dragic IMO. One of the reasons why his field goal % is lower this season is that he questions himself when he has the ball. He is not sure whether to pass or to score and a lot of time when you are not sure, you tend to lose focus. If I play with new guys this season and I am PG, I would tend to pass more because I want the new guys to feel welcomed/useful.
Last year Dragic seems to be a lot more focused. He gets the ball and just drives and I am sure other teams have figured out that his right hand is pretty useless. Well, the work is cut out for Dragic next season.
This kid has potential. Suns shouldn't trade him away (didn't Suns trade Rondo away?). This kid has shown that he can play under pressure in last playoff. There are not that many young guys that can do that. They may play well during regular season but suck in playoffs. What Dragic is suffering now is what everybody is suffering... lack of understanding of his role on the team.
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One thing I don't like is how Vince immediately gets to start and plays 30+mins. He hasn't shown that he is that good yet and with a team that lacks defense, Vince certainly doesn't help that much.
Gentry should have started Vince as bench IMO. I am just really not thrilled with Vince even when he was "good" in Raptors. I find him highly overrated. He is a great entertainer, nothing else.
Gentry should have started Vince as bench IMO. I am just really not thrilled with Vince even when he was "good" in Raptors. I find him highly overrated. He is a great entertainer, nothing else.
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I don't know what game you were watching, but Vince Carter was possibly our best defensive player against the Sixers. Jodie Meeks was a non-factor the entire night.
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I agree with you about what is making Goran look so much worse this year than last. Gentry's 'no second unit' approach has put the whole team into disarray, as I've been saying all season. Sure the FO put him in bad spot with their (mostly) egregious moves but he could have stuck to his guns if he'd believed that last years success was not a fluke.
Well, maybe Gortat will explain to him that you can't expect team defense to be worth anything if you run dozens of line ups per game. (In his first two games Gortat was on the floor with 15 different line ups, according to 82games.com.)
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Three of the key ingredients to success are chemistry-chemistry-chemistry.
As we saw under Bob Brenly (following the D'backs World Series championship) and his successor Bob Melvin, even in the unique game of baseball -- an individual game played under a team concept -- ballplayers coming to the park knowing their roles are more secure . . . and more accustomed to putting their skills together.
In a team sport such as basketball -- back and forth, with the freedom to be anywhere on the court -- it is 100 times more crucial than in baseball. Having a feel for where each teammate is going to be.
Too many lineups are nothing but controlled chaos.
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That's gonna take time when you pick up 3 new pieces at the start of the year then add 3 more at the end of December and you know the front office is still looking to add at least one more.
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Can't disagree with that but the ideal lineup isn't handed to the coach on a stone tablet. It requires mixing and matching and that is always one of the problems when you make major changes to your roster. Basketball has a very limited preseason so you can't always get to that perfect roster and then a mid-season deal just adds to the confusion.
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I'm a slow typer otherwise I'd have just given you a plus one instead of typing my previous message.
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I doubt the Suns will have a "2nd unit" this season. Too many players and too inconsistent.
If Dragic is upset about the no 2nd unit thing, then he's gonna have to suck it up and play like a big boy.
But Dragic did play well with Carter. I think that has to be the duo for the bench. Carter can play with Nash for like the first 5 minutes then take him out and put in Pietrus. Then when we take Nash out around the 2-3 minute mark, put Carter, Dragic, Dudley, Gortat, and Frye in to the game.
If Dragic is upset about the no 2nd unit thing, then he's gonna have to suck it up and play like a big boy.
But Dragic did play well with Carter. I think that has to be the duo for the bench. Carter can play with Nash for like the first 5 minutes then take him out and put in Pietrus. Then when we take Nash out around the 2-3 minute mark, put Carter, Dragic, Dudley, Gortat, and Frye in to the game.
