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Nothing earth shaking in the article written by Paul Coro at azcentral dated 8-27-12, but it does show the Suns are intent on improving the talent they have on the roster especially with Lindsey Hunter leading the way. See link below.

Hunter began working out players this month with more individualized plans to come in September, when voluntary sessions begin.

"We're trying to put together a system where we're no longer looking for outside influences to create a better product," Hunter said. "We want to do it right from the interior. A lot of people say, 'You got to go get better players,' which is true. But you have to make what you have better and we're serious about it now."

The Suns intend to hire a young former NBA big man and make the staff available to players "24-7," General Manager Lance Blanks said.

This seems a far cry from when the Suns were concentrating more on veteran talent and seems like an admission to me they were not getting the job done when it came to player development. As Michael Beasley is still only 23, the Suns view him as a player to be further developed. I also like the idea of adding a young former big man to coach the younger players.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun.../20120827phoenix-suns-focus-young-roster.html
 
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So does anyone have a guess who the Suns might hire who fits the description of a "young former NBA big man" who would fit this role?
 

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So does anyone have a guess who the Suns might hire who fits the description of a "young former NBA big man" who would fit this role?
I would have thought that Mark West (who is also a stockbroker and could guide the young players in investing for after they retire) or Tom Chambers would be the leading candidates. Both are already on the Suns payroll.

It is a good idea using a 6'10" guy to not have to look up as their mentor.
 
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Danny Manning would have been nice but he is working his way up the college ranks. He spent nine years at Kansas where he was promoted to an assistant coach. He is now the head coach at Tulsa.

Although Cedric Ceballos is not a big man, his name comes to mind.
 

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So does anyone have a guess who the Suns might hire who fits the description of a "young former NBA big man" who would fit this role?

Knowing the Suns, they probably have in mind someone like Chris Webber.
 

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They'll find no one and use Channing Frye as the mentor so all future Suns big men turn into soft perimeter players afraid to shoot 3s.
 

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They'll find no one and use Channing Frye as the mentor so all future Suns big men turn into soft perimeter players afraid to shoot 3s.

Frye kills me. He does nothing hover around the 3 point line and then passes up wide open looks. Without Nash he is going to be completely useless.
 

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Frye kills me. He does nothing hover around the 3 point line and then passes up wide open looks. Without Nash he is going to be completely useless.

The guy loses his confidence pretty easily. But, I don't really blame him for the things you apparently do. A shooter without confidence is useless. The first moment Channing shows hesitation on that shot he should be pulled or moved down low. He use to have a pretty good offensive game from the more traditional PF/C spot but his inability to hold his position has tempted our coaches to use him elsewhere. If he's hesitating from the 3 point line and he's getting manhandled down low then put him on the bench and don't keep setting him up for failure.

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They'll find no one and use Channing Frye as the mentor so all future Suns big men turn into soft perimeter players afraid to shoot 3s.
I thought he already did that with Markieff Morris. Hey, wait a minute, that's not funny!
 

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The fact that anyone in from the Suns felt that planning to hire a few guys to help the team's players run practice drills was newsworthy is absolutely pathetic. I understand that the Phoenix Suns are for all intents and purposes a farm team for the serious NBA organizations, and in that role, it is important that the Suns develop the young guys, misfits and castaways that the front office has assembled. But this is the NBA. If your players have a desire to get better, they're expected to have all the resources they could ask for at their disposal. And they do. I'm pretty sure they helped Jared Dudley improve every facet of his game over the last 3 years. JD is a better 3-pointer shooter, a better spot-up shooter, a better playmaker, a better ball handler, and a better athlete than he was when he got to Phoenix. He can take the ball off the dribble, get right near the foul line and hit a pull-up jumper or kick it out to the wing if his defender comes to help. The Suns' staff of coaches is perfectly fine from a player development standpoint.

There is this T-Shirt that I saw a while ago, with the phrase, "Somewhere, someone is practicing. And when you meet, he will beat you." I also remember Grant Hill saying that Michael Beasley was the toughest guy in the league to defend 1-on-1. As this article points out, the person who used the Phoenix Suns facilities the most this off-season was Grant Hill. Grant Hill is a Clipper. So when Michael Beasley comes out this season and shows he's the same old player he's always been, who a bunch of other teams have given up on before this season, and the Suns' FO will try to sell this idea that this is a work in progress but the point is we're developing talent for the long haul…

Also, the Channing Frye bashing is dumb. He was brought here to be a back-up forward who had the ability to contribute in a smaller lineup. The fact that he is playing all these minutes now means that he has to play in some roles that he's not optimally suited to play. And ya know what? He's filled most of those roles really well. He's was our best rebounder last season; he was our strongest low-post defender. He didn't shoot well from the outside on a consistent basis, but that alone doesn't make him mentally soft. Over the last three years, during the team's highest points and lowest points, Channing Frye has hit as many game-winning shots as anyone else. He did this multiple nights in a row on multiple occasions. He plays harder than most players, and despite not being the strongest guy, he battles quite well. So like I said, the Channing Frye bashing is dumb.
 

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So does anyone have a guess who the Suns might hire who fits the description of a "young former NBA big man" who would fit this role?

Picking guys that were not supremely talented but managed long careers in the league seems like a reasonable place to start - slanted toward players that defended reasonably well. (I have no idea whether they are interested in coaching.) Kurt Thomas, Ronny Turiaf, Scot Pollard, Kevin Willis, Dale Davis, Joe Smith, PJ Brown, Theo Ratliff, Juwan Howard. Throw in Vlade Divac because he was so crafty.
 
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Picking guys that were not supremely talented but managed long careers in the league seems like a reasonable place to start - slanted toward players that defended reasonably well. (I have no idea whether they are interested in coaching.) Kurt Thomas, Ronny Turiaf, Scot Pollard, Kevin Willis, Dale Davis, Joe Smith, PJ Brown, Theo Ratliff, Juwan Howard. Throw in Vlade Divac because he was so crafty.

I think you are absolutely correct. My mind started down the path of someone like Raja Bell but he is still playing and certainly not a big man. A former player like Kurt Thomas, if retired, would be ideal or anyone of this mold.
 

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Kurt Thomas would be perfect. The most fundamentally sound big man I have seen next to Tim Duncan.

David Robinson?
 

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This idea that the Suns are going to develop younger players is odd to me. I can't believe a professional ball club that invests millions of $$$ in these guys has not always done that. WTF was the mindset prior? Figure this stuff out on your own? Does anyone believe that Amare didn't get this treatment? Other draft picks didn't get this treatment? The only difference between always and now is that there are more younger guys on the roster. The only thing that is newsworthy here to me is that saying this now makes it appear that the club has always been run by idiots.
 

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This idea that the Suns are going to develop younger players is odd to me. I can't believe a professional ball club that invests millions of $$$ in these guys has not always done that. WTF was the mindset prior? Figure this stuff out on your own? Does anyone believe that Amare didn't get this treatment? Other draft picks didn't get this treatment? The only difference between always and now is that there are more younger guys on the roster. The only thing that is newsworthy here to me is that saying this now makes it appear that the club has always been run by idiots.

The front office is trying to get fans to buy into watching this bunch of castoffs by appealing to the possibility that they might improve. I think that's pretty much it.
 

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The Suns have had player development coaches for some time and 'big man' coaches fall into that category as well. Heck, when Barbosa totally fell apart from the stress of backing up Nash, D'Antoni brought in his own brother for a year or two to rehab Leandro's damaged psyche. That was somewhat successful though not to the point that LB was ever officially Steve's backup again - he mostly played SG.

Barbs is also an example of how bad player evaluation can be. When they signed him they touted him as a good defender but the reality was that he was terrible on defense. He got hung up on every single pick set against him, he never learned which way to force an opponent, and he gave out a steady stream of 'and 1s'. He wasn't as bad as Warrick because he did try and didn't get in his teammates way but he was worse than Nash. He was also lacking in PG skills, the position they drafted him to fill.
They should have known better just from the fact that the Spurs were willing to trade them the pick they used to get him - SA has been far and away the team that evaluates foreign players the best.

Anyway, reading into the fact that our current FO is yapping about planning to focus on player development, that they are doing something new to the league is giving them far too much credit. It is an area the league could improve on with all the very young guys coming in, but I'll believe our FO knows what they are doing when I see some results.
 

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The front office is trying to get fans to buy into watching this bunch of castoffs by appealing to the possibility that they might improve. I think that's pretty much it.

You seriously believe that the entire intent is for public relations?
 

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You seriously believe that the entire intent is for public relations?

I think just about everything a front office says publicly about its future intentions is for PR.

They've assembled a team thats going to be hard to market, they have to spin it somehow.
 

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I think just about everything a front office says publicly about its future intentions is for PR.

They've assembled a team thats going to be hard to market, they have to spin it somehow.

I wouldn't think Sarver would pay full salary for a guy to mentor younger players only for PR.
 

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I wouldn't think Sarver would pay full salary for a guy to mentor younger players only for PR.

They havnt even hired anyone. And its not like guys in those positions get paid big bucks, especially if (and it sounds like it is) its someone who is new at the job.
 

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