Suns to trade 2014 picks for Star?

[Chaplin]

Bledsoe generally ranks a little higher than Dragic.

Bledsoe is #13 in PER overall, Dragic is #18.

That 5 place differential is miniscule in the scheme of things.

I just find it funny that people are so receptive to trading Goran Dragic and not Bledsoe.

 

[Mainstreet]

I consider Dragic and Bledsoe as star players. What tier of star can be debated.

However, I can't think of trade where it would benefit the Suns to to give up one these players plus a boatload of picks except for an absolute star that takes the Suns to another level. Right now I'm not seeing any star of that caliber that would be available. If Lebron or Durant wanted to come to the Suns I would sing a different tune.

I hope the Suns don't get worked over going after a star in name only because he is headline name. The Suns have something nice going. They have CAP space and picks. Something good should become available without giving up key assets. The Suns can address their needs in the draft and beef up the team by signing a key FA.

 

[BC867]

...tucker is fine at sf...

I wouldn't be too quick to give up Tucker, without replacing him with someone who fills the Grant Hill role even better than he does. What he brings to the court can't be measured in stats.

 

[Errntknght]

Eric Bledsoe is #15 in PER overall and Dragic is #21.. you have to check everything slin says, you know.

Here's a shocker for you, Michael Beasley is #17 in PER!

 

[SirStefan32]

That 5 place differential is miniscule in the scheme of things.

I just find it funny that people are so receptive to trading Goran Dragic and not Bledsoe.

I agree, Chap. I don't get it either. I think Bledsoe is a bit better at getting to the rim, and he is a slightly better defender, but to me, Dragic is BY FAR a better leader. If I were a GM and had to choose one of them, it would be a very difficult decision to make, but I think I'd send Bledsoe off. If Bledsoe were 3 inches taller and could play a full time 2, I wouldn't even think about trading either one of them.

 

[SirStefan32]

Eric Bledsoe is #15 in PER overall and Dragic is #21.. you have to check everything slin says, you know.

Here's a shocker for you, Michael Beasley is #17 in PER!

Well then, Beasley is clearly better than Dragic. Better trade Dragic for Beasley and make Slin happy.

 

[95pro]

the beauty of stats

 

[BC867]

the beauty of stats

Or as they say, with no one in particular in mind, "Figures don't lie, but liars figure."

Anything based on averages is worth only so much.

If half of the team were 6' tall and the other half were 6'8", the average would be 6'4". But no one on the team is 6'4".

It is like a guy standing with one foot in a pail of dry ice and the other foot in a pail of boiling water. On the average, he is pretty comfortable!

 

[Mainstreet]

Although the Suns could make a significant trade before the trading deadline such as trade Okafor if he is healthy, it appears their intent not to make any trades that would disrupt their chemistry during the season. See remarks from Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough in a Paul Coro at azcentral dated 12-16-13.

“During my introductory press conference, the one thing I said we’d never do is pass on a chance to get a star, and that doesn’t change,” Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough said. “For me, it (the 14-9 start) doesn’t change anything. The biggest misconception about our off-season moves was that we were trying to lose. We identified a good group of players who we thought could show more than they had in their careers.

“One of the reasons we made four trades in the off-season is to make sure we didn’t have to do anything during the season.”

McDonough said they would not overthink their success and run the risk of disrupting what has worked for coach Jeff Hornacek and the 30-and-under rotation. In the same vein, they would seem unlikely to trade a player who is essential to what they do. Channing Frye, the elder player making $6.4 million this season and $6.8 million next season, might have seemed like a tradable commodity at the start of the season but then he became a starter and showed that his 3-point stroke is eternal.

If the Suns are in a playoff hunt at the February trade deadline, how could they part with a player who opens the driving lanes for Dragic and Bledsoe and provides wisdom for the team?

“We’re not going to do anything for short-term gratification if it impacts our long-term goal and that’s to build a team that is sustainable,” Suns President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby said. “The team now is in such a good place in terms of chemistry that you have to be careful. It’s only been (23) games I don’t think you do something that affects what you’ve been working on for three years.”

Of course the only constant is change itself.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...inning-still-learning-fly.html?nclick_check=1

 

[slinslin]

Eric Bledsoe is #15 in PER overall and Dragic is #21.. you have to check everything slin says, you know.

Here's a shocker for you, Michael Beasley is #17 in PER!

No you don't, check your own stats. You bring up stats with players included that do not qualify for minutes played.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per

without any restrictions Bledsoe is #17 and Dragic #24.

 

[slinslin]

Well then, Beasley is clearly better than Dragic. Better trade Dragic for Beasley and make Slin happy.

Beasley has played extremely well for Miami... he is shooting 55%FG and 50%3s and averaging 23/8/1/1/1 per 36.

 

[Errntknght]

slin "without any restrictions Bledsoe is #17 and Dragic #24."

I saw that but since it matched what you said worse than the 'qualified' players list - at Holinger's site - I used that instead. Never saw that site you referenced before.

 

[95pro]

I'm sure beasleys 11pts per game were poured in during meaningful minutes. We should have kept Beasley, omg slin you're on to something.

 

[JS22]

I haven't been talking about getting Afflalo to play as a 2, I would play him at the 3. Yes he is short for the 3 but he is a monster on D and his offense has exploded this year.

I really like Afflalo. But Bledsoe, Dragic, and Afflalo is extremely small. And it wouldn't happen anyway. Either Bledsoe or Dragic would need to be included in a trade and the Suns would be nuts to do that.

 

[JS22]

Y'all are a bit emotionally tied to this current roster. IMO, every single player on this roster is trade-able. Not a single one of them are untouchable, because none of them are super elite players that can elevate a team to a championship.

It's just hard to imagine who would be available that you could leverage for a better player or players. I imagine having McD having this internal conversation every day: "Don't screw it up."

I think Dragic and Bledsoe are close to untouchable unless it's a lopsided deal. The combination is arguably the best in the league right now.

 

[elindholm]

I think Dragic and Bledsoe are close to untouchable unless it's a lopsided deal. The combination is arguably the best in the league right now.

I guess anything can be argued, but if someone offered me Curry and Klay Thompson for Dragic and Bledsoe, I'd take it without a second thought.

 

[JS22]

I guess anything can be argued, but if someone offered me Curry and Klay Thompson for Dragic and Bledsoe, I'd take it without a second thought.

I'd most likely side with you. But I'd at least have to think about it.

Curry is clearly more valuable than either Dragic or Bledsoe. But I'm not as high on Thompson as some are.

Either way it's nice to be having this conversation.

 

[Suns_fan69]

The main advantage of Dragic & Bledsoe is that the team basically always has an above average PG running the team. We don't suffer the lulls that some other teams do when the backup PG comes in (Nash years come to mind). Their on court chemistry is growing but playing them together isn't a huge advantage, at least not from what I can tell statistically:

http://stats.nba.com/leagueLineups....Quantity=2&sortField=PLUS_MINUS&sortOrder=DES

 

[JCSunsfan]

Beasley has played extremely well for Miami... he is shooting 55%FG and 50%3s and averaging 23/8/1/1/1 per 36.

And still, I am so glad he is gone.

BTW, Miles Plumlee is 6 months older than Michael Beasley.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd most likely side with you. But I'd at least have to think about it.

Curry is clearly more valuable than either Dragic or Bledsoe. But I'm not as high on Thompson as some are.

Either way it's nice to be having this conversation.

GS fans are having alot of frustrations with Thompson this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

GS fans are having alot of frustrations with Thompson this year.

I think Klay Thompson will be a star. I wish he were available. IMO, he is the type player the Suns should be chasing after.

 

[PDXChris]

Plus Lakers pick. I want to tank now in Chicago and Deng provides enough to make you a legit contender in the West. Both are Free Agents, so you really give up the Lakers pick for a rental unless you want to re-sign him.

That will give the Bulls thier pick, the Lakers pick and most likley the Bobcats pick. Also, bringing over Nikola Mirotic and amenstying Boozer will free up cap space along with three young players in a deep draft.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Kevin Love ideally. Lamarcus Aldridge would have been a primary target before Portland became this new contender. Carmelo would be a star who is potentially available but I dont see the Suns doing that. Al Horford maybe too. Joakim Noah isnt a star in the classic sense but maybe worth a couple picks?

Next topic!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Also notice I named all frount court guys. I was luke warm on Bledsoe,Dragic backcourt but have now seen the light. Work on getting a established PF, Draft Aaron Gordon or Brandon Ashley with highest possible pick and go from there.

 

[Folster]

Plus Lakers pick. I want to tank now in Chicago and Deng provides enough to make you a legit contender in the West. Both are Free Agents, so you really give up the Lakers pick for a rental unless you want to re-sign him.

That will give the Bulls thier pick, the Lakers pick and most likley the Bobcats pick. Also, bringing over Nikola Mirotic and amenstying Boozer will free up cap space along with three young players in a deep draft.

We're not giving up the Lakers pick for a Deng rental. That pick is in 2015 and is only top 5 protected. The Lakers have a good chance to be horrible with an even older Kobe, Nash and Gasol still under contract that season. They have room to sign only one max guy this offseason since they resigned Kobe. Unless they sign Lebron, then they are going to be bad.