Suns to trade Marbury, according to KDUS

[thegrahamcrackr]

BC said on the radio that without the extension, the trade could not happen.

The reason was because Marbury could opt out after this year if he liked.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
BC said on the radio that without the extension, the trade could not happen.

The reason was because Marbury could opt out after this year if he liked.

That's what I had heard when the deal was announced.

 

[elindholm]

Okay, I stand corrected. Sorry for the hostility before.

Nonetheless, I think it is very unlikely that Marbury would have opted out in summer 2004 if he had still been with the Suns and not been extended.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Okay, I stand corrected. Sorry for the hostility before.

Nonetheless, I think it is very unlikely that Marbury would have opted out in summer 2004 if he had still been with the Suns and not been extended.

The problem is that you never know. If Marbury HAD opted out, only he and Kobe would be the highest profile free agents out there--and a lot of money would be thrown to them. A lot. Most likely max deals, which we gave him first.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by elindholm
Okay, I stand corrected. Sorry for the hostility before.

Nonetheless, I think it is very unlikely that Marbury would have opted out in summer 2004 if he had still been with the Suns and not been extended.

After this season they have had so far I wouldn't be so sure of that. At the very least I think he would have tried to force their hand on the maximum extension.

Joe Mama

 

[King A]

I think we have a fair chance to get Kobe.
The Colangelos are pretty good at recruiting FAs.
Like all the stuff they did with Penny before he came (his head on cebollos' body with the #1 jersey and so on).

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by King A
I think we have a fair chance to get Kobe.
The Colangelos are pretty good at recruiting FAs.
Like all the stuff they did with Penny before he came (his head on cebollos' body with the #1 jersey and so on).

Kobe is scheduled to get $14.6 million next year if he decides to stay with the Lakers. At this point, the Suns are unlikely to have more than about $8 million unless they can dump Eisley and/or White and dumps some draft picks to avoid their salaries being committed.

If Kobe is committed to leaving the Lakers (still a question in my mind AND is cleared in his trial), the best way to do it would be to trade Marion and a few others plus maybe a pick to the Lakers for Kobe. This summer, Marion would no longer be under the base year limitation.

Given a choice of trading him or getting nothing, the Lakers might bite. Losing Kobe does not get the Lakers below the cap, so they would have a hard time replacing him. Marion may be overpaid, but he is a really good player.

From the Suns perspective this deal is a lot less chancy than a pure dump of Marion. Since Kobe will be free to negotiate once the season is over, the Suns would be able to get the entire agreement set up in advance rather than just hoping it would work out. The deal would leave the Suns close to being where they are now financially. They could use the remaining money to go after a middle priced center.

All that being said, I'm not convinced Kobe's legal problems are going to go away and the trial could taint him badly.

 

[SirStefan32]

Lakers will never take Marion.

 

[PhiLLmattiC]

OH **** PENNY IS ON THE KNICKS!!!!!!!!! I've been away for 4 days (having a wonderful time)!!

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
Lakers will never take Marion.

Would they if the only option was to lose Kobe with no compensation?

 

[King A]

I don't wanna lose Marion.
He's too good to pass up.

Convince Kobe, work out a sign-and-trade with the Lakers, just like the Pistons got Atkins and Wallace when they lost Hill.
I mean the Lakers would be willing to accept JJ, cause they wouldn't have cap space to sign anyone else at this position

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by King A
I don't wanna lose Marion.
He's too good to pass up.

Convince Kobe, work out a sign-and-trade with the Lakers, just like the Pistons got Atkins and Wallace when they lost Hill.
I mean the Lakers would be willing to accept JJ, cause they wouldn't have cap space to sign anyone else at this position

I'm not sure I follow your proposal. It does not appear to work under the cap.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by King A
I don't wanna lose Marion.
He's too good to pass up.

Convince Kobe, work out a sign-and-trade with the Lakers, just like the Pistons got Atkins and Wallace when they lost Hill.
I mean the Lakers would be willing to accept JJ, cause they wouldn't have cap space to sign anyone else at this position

The Lakers will not sign and trade Kobe!

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Would they if the only option was to lose Kobe with no compensation?

I doubt it. They can sign a better player for less money. (See Malone and Payton.) They'd never take Marion's contract.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
I doubt it. They can sign a better player for less money. (See Malone and Payton.) They'd never take Marion's contract.

So your theory is that Shawn can be replaced by a mid cap exemption player. Who?

 

[King A]

they will.
isn't it that the lakers could give a bit more money to kobe than the nother clubs (implied they have enough cap room) like we could give mcdyess more than the nuggets back then, or the magic gave hardaway the big money than the suns could have.

so if kobe threatens to sign somewhere else, the lakers might as well take some player in return.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by King A
they will.
isn't it that the lakers could give a bit more money to kobe than the nother clubs (implied they have enough cap room) like we could give mcdyess more than the nuggets back then, or the magic gave hardaway the big money than the suns could have.

so if kobe threatens to sign somewhere else, the lakers might as well take some player in return.

I live in Los Angeles, and even though I hate the Lakers, you can't help but follow them. Mitch Kupshak has been quoted as saying he will NOT sign-and-trade Kobe Bryant. I don't know the reasons, only that he said it.

 

[slinslin]

Scott Albuquerque, NM: Good afternoon. Chad, everyone keeps talking about Kobe being a possibility for the Suns now. Seriously, how possible is it? I just cant imagine Phoenix would do all this unless they had something going on in the background.

Chad Ford: (1:15 PM ET ) I agree with my colleague Marc Stein that the Lakers are the obvious favorites. After that I disagree with his assertion that the Clippers are next in line. Kobe has a relationship with Coach Mike D'Antoni and better building blocks for a championship in Phoenix. And, as far as organizations go, I think the Suns are first class. The Clippers ? Eh, not so much. In other words, I think if Kobe decides he wants to bolt, the Suns are in my mind, the favorites to land him assuming, of course, that he's acquitted of the rape charges pending against him.

 

[cly2tw]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
So your theory is that Shawn can be replaced by a mid cap exemption player. Who?

First, Marion can be easily guarded by an average SF in this league, since he doesn't have adequate one-on-one moves and his shooting point is too low to make contested jumpers consistantly. Agree?

Second, for the Lakers specifically, with Shaq in the middle, a below-MLE player like Spurs' Bowen is absolutely a better fit on SF than Marion. Bowen shoots 3s better and defends even better one-on-one, which is all the Lakers need. Equally, Spurs with Duncan would never touch Marion unless he was paid about the MLE. And an MLE player like Harpring is even much better, since he is even a better/smarter slasher than Marion.

What's unique for Marion is his rebounding ability at SF. I already vented my frustration in saying that any team that relies on its SF to take 10 rpg is screwed anyway.

I don't ever see Lakers take on Marion's max contract not even when we add two first-rounders.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by cly2tw


Second, for the Lakers specifically, with Shaq in the middle, a below-MLE player like Spurs' Bowen is absolutely a better fit on SF than Marion. Bowen shoots 3s better and defends even better one-on-one, which is all the Lakers need. [/B]

That's reasonable. Bruce Bowen's contract will expire after next season. He is currently scheduled to get $4.1 million next year. Is it your forecast that we can sign Bruce Bowen in the summer of 2005 for the mid level cap exemption?

By the way, Bruce Bowen has a career shooting average of 39.6% (37.8% for three's). He is lower this year. He averages 6.8 ppg this year (above his career average of 5.9 ppg). Bowen grabs 3.3 rpg which is above his career average of 2.6 rpg. Also his free throw shooting this year is 54.9% and his career free throw shooting is 54.6%.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bowen brings a lot to a team that needs a defensive stopper. But is that enough to make up for his weak offensive skills?

 

[cly2tw]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
That's reasonable. Bruce Bowen's contract will expire after next season. He is currently scheduled to get $4.1 million next year. Is it your forecast that we can sign Bruce Bowen in the summer of 2005 for the mid level cap exemption?

Bowen is not worth the MLE, since he is a very dispensible complementary player. For a team like Lakers and Spurs, Marion is not even a better fit than Bowen, despite the stats disparities between these two players. It's exactly the point!

For the Suns, if Amare develops into a dominant player in the mold of Duncan in 2-3 years as we fans all hope, the Bowens/Harprings would be better fit to that future team than Marion. Not to mention when we get Kobe in the summer.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by cly2tw
Bowen is not worth the MLE, since he is a very dispensible complementary player. For a team like Lakers and Spurs, Marion is not even a better fit than Bowen, despite the stats disparities between these two players. It's exactly the point!

For the Suns, if Amare develops into a dominant player in the mold of Duncan in 2-3 years as we fans all hope, the Bowens/Harprings would be better fit to that future team than Marion. Not to mention when we get Kobe in the summer.

Last year Bowen did pretty well. This year his offensive numbers are awful. I would suggest that he is overpaid. Why would the Lakers want an overpaid, undersized defensive specialist with not offensive skills and no rebounding?

 

[Chaplin]

I know nobody cares, but the Spurs just signed Charlie Ward for the minimum.