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I'm still waiting for someone to address the point made about drafting someone (Rodriguez, Freeland) and leaving him overseas. What would be the downside to that, as opposed to just giving away the pick?

DAntoni addressed this. He said there were several players he wanted to do this with, but their agents said they weren't interested. They wanted to come and play now.
 

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George, "I don't expect to see Amare, KT, and Boris in the lineup at the same time very often."

Probably not unless Amare has developed a lethal 3pt shot from the corner, then you could essentially play him like you would TT - an oversized SF.



With Amre at high post, KT would be on the baseline. With Boris at high post, Amare would be at the baseline which is where he played for the first two years he was on the team.

Regardless of who is on the floor why would you want anyone on the baseline, other than in the corner? We want to keep the floor spread as much as possible and all the opponents bigs pulled away from the hoop. Of course, KT may drop down for the purpose of setting a pick but in general we want to run a lay up drill for our cutters and drivers so keep him in a high post position (elbow) for them to slice and curl off of - and to keep his man as far from the basket as possible.

Pulling the bigs out has a domino effect on the defense - if they're not able to help much the wing defenders will have more responsibility to provide help which means they have to pay attention to whats happening with the ball so they are more susceptible to back door cuts by our wings and, of course, they'll be pulled off them more giving more open 3s.

If the opponents put a defender on Amare that he can score on with relative ease in the low post, then he posts low until he's driven the fellow off the floor - the same thing with Boris or TT.


I'm still intrigued by the idea of having Boris do a two man game with Amare and Boris with TT in the corner.

One of the key things about the classic two man game exemplified by Stockton and Malone was that if the defenders switched there were two size mismatches that favored Utah. Generally speaking, Boris and Amare would not have that factor working for them. Of course, if, say Boris' defender couldn't cope at all with Amare in the low post then in that case there would be an advantage to be gained. Against that, it takes lots of practice to perfect the two man game and I'd think it would be better for Nash and Amare or Nash and Boris to use it because it would be effective much more frequently. Why didn't Nash and Amare use it? Probably because Nash and D'Antoni are more familiar with the pick & roll, which accomplishes about the same ends.

Of course, I'm not sure what you mean by a two man game. What I mean is the man with the ball is stationary and his teammate sets up in pick position - threatening a P&R/Pop. Since the guy with the ball is stationary the pick setter can jockey for position and as the defenders adjust the offensive guys read it and they both feint movements. The critical thing is that they have to be in close synch because the openings are usually small and there is a very real threat of being called for a moving pick.
 

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Everything else equal, the ideal center for the Suns when Nash and Amare do the pick and roll would be TT because he is a better three point shooter than either KT or Boris.

When comparing KT and Boris along with Amare during the pick and roll, my read on it is that they have roughly the same effective shooting range. Boris has a great advantage going to the basket and as a passer, but that is not as relevant when Nash and Amare are running the pick and roll. In any case, when the start the pick and roll, I'd expect either KT or Boris to move to the short wing. If the defender follows, the lane is clear. If the defender doesn't follow, the 18 footer is open.

As for the two man game between Boris and Amare, it's just an idea but I think it would be a nice addition to the Suns offense. Both are extremely difficult for opposing big men to guard, both can shoot, and both just chew up smaller defenders. Having them work in tandem would compound the problems teams have in stopping either one.

One last thought, my discussion of Boris running P&R with Amare would be from the PG position with say TT at center, Marion at SF, and Bell at SG. Who is the opposing PG going to try to guard? Amare or Boris? And who is the other team going to leave open to help out this overwhelmed PG?
 

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One last thought, my discussion of Boris running P&R with Amare would be from the PG position with say TT at center, Marion at SF, and Bell at SG. Who is the opposing PG going to try to guard?

The PG will be guarding Raja - just because Boris is playing PG, doesn't mean the opponents must have their PG defend him. If we were playing the Mavs, for example, I'd expect Josh Howard to be guarding PG Boris.
 

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Errntknght said:
One last thought, my discussion of Boris running P&R with Amare would be from the PG position with say TT at center, Marion at SF, and Bell at SG. Who is the opposing PG going to try to guard?

The PG will be guarding Raja - just because Boris is playing PG, doesn't mean the opponents must have their PG defend him. If we were playing the Mavs, for example, I'd expect Josh Howard to be guarding PG Boris.

Assuming Harris and Terry are the guards, who do they guard?

I was impressed by how easily Boris posted up Stackhouse whenever that switch was made. Clearly Howard is their best perimeter defender, but that leaves mismatches at the SG and SF slots. On the pick and roll, a switch which puts Howard onto Amare doesn't solve the Mavs problem if Boris can get the ball to Amare.

My prediction is that opponents are going to have to pack the paint or risk Amare lighting them up for 40 almost every time. I suspect Amare is going to left open at the elbow most of the time, because teams would rather he shoot the jumper than posterize them. If they come out to contest the shot from the elbow, they will end up having to leave someone on the perimeter to provide help.
 

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I suspect Amare is going to left open at the elbow most of the time, because teams would rather he shoot the jumper than posterize them.

I expect teams to try almost everything against the Suns including this gambit - it won't work often because Amare will normally knock down 60-65% of uncontested shots from the elbow.


Since we won't have TT this year the question of how the Mavs would respond to the line up you mentioned is now moot - but I'd guess they'd have used a defensive lineup like: Terry on Bell, Stack on Shawn, Dirk on TT, Howard on Boris and Diop on Amare.
 
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