Suns updates and discussion for the 2019-20 season

[JerkFace]

They can easily make it over 25 million just by dumping Kaminsky... which seems rather obvious.

Also... lol.... the E in MLE stands for exemption.

Just stop on this one... it is so freaking stupid.

You were clearly 600k off in your ballpark figure. Be better than that man.

 

[Phrazbit]

Which leaves the remaining amount to fill 5-7 remaining roster spots instead of 6-8. And that doesn't count the 2, possibly 3, roster spots already taken up by players who don't belong in the NBA.

Trades are the only way to get this team out of this mess.

If there was a way to use Tyler Johnson's contract to land multiple players who can contribute... I'd be all ears. I just don't see it. IMO, we'd be better off using that the 20-25 million to sign a few depth guys. Obviously it leaves several roster spots on minimum contracts, but that is hardly unusual.

Now... if I were to guess what will LIKELY happen? I think Sarver/Jones are going to engage in some sort of panic trade. Something that yields short term results at long term expense.

 

[1Sun]

If there was a way to use Tyler Johnson's contract to land multiple players who can contribute... I'd be all ears. I just don't see it. IMO, we'd be better off using that the 20-25 million to sign a few depth guys. Obviously it leaves several roster spots on minimum contracts, but that is hardly unusual.

Now... if I were to guess what will LIKELY happen? I think Sarver/Jones are going to engage in some sort of panic trade. Something that yields short term results at long term expense.

Like Tyler Johnson and an unprotected first for 3 months of Gallinari in a lost season?...

 

[Phrazbit]

Like Tyler Johnson and an unprotected first for 3 months of Gallinari in a lost season?...

I doubt they are stupid enough for it to be totally unprotected, but yes, along those lines. I could see us trading with top 5 protection and then ending up with the 6th pick.

Ideally... Orlando starts to fall apart and decides to shop Gordon to open up minutes for their young forwards.

Something like Tyler Johnson, Saric, a lotto protected 1st and their pick of one of our backup PGs for Gordon.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I doubt they are stupid enough for it to be totally unprotected, but yes, along those lines. I could see us trading with top 5 protection and then ending up with the 6th pick.

Ideally... Orlando starts to fall apart and decides to shop Gordon to open up minutes for their young forwards.

Something like Tyler Johnson, Saric, a lotto protected 1st and their pick of one of our backup PGs for Gordon.

I don’t understand why people think the garbage of a garbage roster can garner a desired player.

 

[1Sun]

I doubt they are stupid enough for it to be totally unprotected, but yes, along those lines. I could see us trading with top 5 protection and then ending up with the 6th pick.

Ideally... Orlando starts to fall apart and decides to shop Gordon to open up minutes for their young forwards.

Something like Tyler Johnson, Saric, a lotto protected 1st and their pick of one of our backup PGs for Gordon.

Wow. We see eye to eye on something. I would do that Gordon trade in a heartbeat. Too bad Orlando wouldn't.

Given your theory, would you agree that it would be in the Suns' best interest to get rid of James Jones before he made a move along the lines of the Gallinari trade?

 

[Phrazbit]

Wow. We see eye to eye on something. I would do that Gordon trade in a heartbeat. Too bad Orlando wouldn't.

Given your theory, would you agree that it would be in the Suns' best interest to get rid of James Jones before he made a move along the lines of the Gallinari trade?

We need James Jones to show he has learned from his mistakes... because he isn't going anywhere.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don’t understand why people think the garbage of a garbage roster can garner a desired player.

Aaron Gordon's value isn't all that high, he certainly isn't playing up to his contract value. They get 20 million in savings next year, a pick and a young... but lousy player. I don't think anyone is going to blow the doors off in a Gordon trade.

I am sure Orlando wouldn't go for that right now, they're in a playoff position, that is why I said we'd need them to take a slide.

 

[1Sun]

We need James Jones to show he has learned from his mistakes... because he isn't going anywhere.

He already has showed he can't learn from his mistakes. Instead of countering and balancing all of the soft, unathletic players who can maybe score and not much else on draft night, he went and compounded it by adding Kaminsky to the mix and bringing in zero help in terms of athleticism, defense, rim protection and toughness. And he continues to make statements indicating his belief that the NBA is about scoring and nothing else. And he continues to make statements that undercut Monty's efforts to develop Ayton and evolve his game.

 

[Phrazbit]

He already has showed he can't learn from his mistakes. Instead of countering and balancing all of the soft, unathletic players who can maybe score and not much else on draft, he went and compounded it be adding Kaminsky to the mix and bringing in zero help in terms of athleticism, defense, rim protection and toughness. And he continues to make statements indicating his belief that the NBA is about scoring and nothing else. And he continues to make statements that undercut Monty's efforts to develop Ayton and evolve his game.

Well, I would put the odds of Jones getting fired in the next year and a half at roughly 0%. You can either hope he learns or hope he gets sent to prison or something. Debating him getting fired is a pointless exercise.

 

[JerkFace]

He already has showed he can't learn from his mistakes. Instead of countering and balancing all of the soft, unathletic players who can maybe score and not much else on draft, he went and compounded it be adding Kaminsky to the mix and bringing in zero help in terms of athleticism, defense, rim protection and toughness. And he continues to make statements indicating his belief that the NBA is about scoring and nothing else. And he continues to make statements that undercut Monty's efforts to develop Ayton and evolve his game.

They aren’t firing James less than 9 months after naming him general manager

 

[1Sun]

They aren’t firing James less than 9 months after naming him general manager

Then expect unprotected picks, Bridges, Oubre and/or possibly even Ayton to be traded away and nothing of value in return to show for it.

 

[1Sun]

Aaron Gordon's value isn't all that high, he certainly isn't playing up to his contract value. They get 20 million in savings next year, a pick and a young... but lousy player. I don't think anyone is going to blow the doors off in a Gordon trade.

I am sure Orlando wouldn't go for that right now, they're in a playoff position, that is why I said we'd need them to take a slide.

I will say that if we somehow pull off a Gordon trade like you propose, and if we draft, say, Vernon Carey or Isaiah Stewart with our lottery pick, our front court looks a heck of a lot better, and all we would need going forward are a a couple of back-ups at the 4/5 (with Ayton, Gordon and Carey/Stewart being a good and versatile foundation for our 5 interior spots), a back-up 2 and a back-up 1.

Of course, I don't trust James Jones to get us close to this kind of resolution, and I fully expect him to continue obsessing over unathletic, one-dimensional soft scorers like Saric, Kaminsky and Cam (and, perhaps not so coincidentally, James Jones from his playing days). Heck, we are already seeing that obsession again with respect to Gallinari.

 

[Mainstreet]

Can this be true? It must be correct.

Devin Booker has never experienced more than a 3 game winning streak.

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[1Sun]

Can this be true? It must be correct.

Devin Booker has never experienced more than a 3 game winning streak.

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I just checked. It's true. The Suns as a whole have only had one longer winning streak in the last five seasons - Four games last December, with Booker being inactive for the first.

Ouch...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Can this be true? It must be correct.

Devin Booker has never experienced more than a 3 game winning streak.

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We did have a 4 game win streak last year, but he missed the first game. I suppose you could say that he wasn't a part of the full 4 game streak, but he certainly was on the team to experience all of it.

 

[Mainstreet]

We did have a 4 game win streak last year, but he missed the first game. I suppose you could say that he wasn't a part of the full 4 game streak, but he certainly was on the team to experience all of it.

I never even thought about it. No matter how bad the Suns have been this is surprising to me.

 

[Ronin]

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[JCSunsfan]

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Great article. Helps us understand what is going on.

conditioning is a big factor with
Ayton.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a snippet from the Duane Rankin article which Ronin and JCSunfan have posted about:


“That’s the conditioning part where if we integrate him the right way and playing him the right minutes to ease him back into it," Williams said. "I think in five to 10 games, hopefully, he’ll have that kind of conditioning to where he can play dominant for hopefully 30-plus minutes.”


https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...n-talking-management-coaches-role/4446382002/

 

[Mainstreet]

Evan Sidery‏ @esidery


Over the last 10 games, Kelly Oubre Jr. is averaging 20.6 points, 6.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 1.5 steals while shooting 40.3% on 3s.

Oubre is really starting to blossom into a key long-term piece for this Suns team. Always providing that much-needed energy boost on both ends.

10:25 AM - 11 Jan 2020

 

[Mainstreet]

And more from Evan Sidery.... about the Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Bridges and Ayton lineup.

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[SirStefan32]

And more from Evan Sidery.... about the Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Bridges and Ayton lineup.

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That unit is amazing defensively. I hope Mikal can get his three-point shot back. If that lineup can add just a little more scoring, it will be scary.

 

[Mainstreet]

That unit is amazing defensively. I hope Mikal can get his three-point shot back. If that lineup can add just a little more scoring, it will be scary.

Mikal's defense is money and it's only getting better.

What I especially like, he is scoring off a variety of shots and not reliant on the 3 pointer.

 

[95pro]

And more from Evan Sidery.... about the Rubio, Booker, Oubre, Bridges and Ayton lineup.

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Didn’t take any analytics to see this was the best lineup. Maybe even before the season started too.