Suns updates and discussion for the 2019-20 season
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BC867
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When he's not suspended or injured.
Maybe the NBA should go to the MLB style of record keeping. By quantity, rather than average
in many cases.
2B, 3B, HR, RBI, runs scored. The last two of which directly relate to the most important stat
on the scoreboard. Which team finished the game with the most runs.
Also MLB stolen bases, pitchers' victories, saves, games started, games closed. And for both
hitters and pitchers. Strikeouts and bases on balls.
Whereas most NBA stats are per game. When available to play.
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BC867
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OK, let's look at DA's.Or you could look at their games played stat?
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Statistics totals were actually what the league used for years to determine individual leaders. For instance, in 1967-68 Wilt Chamberlain was recognized as the league's assist champion with 702. Oscar Robertson averaged more (9.7) but played 17 fewer games than Chamberlain did (65 to 82). Robertson also averages more points a game (29.2) than the official leading scorer, Dave Bing (27.1)
Per game averages were adopted as the norm in 1969-70, perhaps as a delayed response to the results in 1968-69.
Career totals are where the compilers get their recognition.
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I’m surprised to see Davis’ rebounding numbers so low.
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Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee are combining for 36+ mpg.
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Guess that makes sense.
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and he's got LeBron rebounding 8 per game next him as well.
that team has size out the yin-yang.
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[OC] Now that Deandre Ayton has played 25 games since being suspended, the Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Oubre/Ayton starting lineup has been the best offense in the NBA (+other Suns fun facts)
The Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Oubre/Ayton 5-man lineup has the best offensive rating of any lineup in the league that has played over 200 minutes at 120.7
- That same lineup has the 2nd best Net Rating in the league at +19.2, just behind the Bledsoe/Matthews/Middleton/Giannis/Lopez Bucks lineup of +19.7. Here are all the teams with lineups in the top 10 net rating: Bucks, Suns, Jazz (2x), Lakers, Heat, Nuggets, Raptors, Mavericks, Clippers. All teams have 34+ wins except the Suns (23).
- This naturally suggests that the Suns have a bad bench, which is true. With Ayton on, the Suns are a +4.4 net rating, but that plummets to -3.0 with him off, for a 7.4 difference. That difference is 8.7 with Booker on/off and 8.0 for Rubio.
- Deandre Ayton defends 19.8 field goal attempts per game, 2nd most in the NBA behind Rudy Gobert. Ayton holds opponents to 6.7% below their shooting averages, 8th in the league out of 287 players (min. 6 DFGA/game and 20 games played).
- On the Suns, only Ayton, Booker, Bridges, and the now waived Tyler Johnson hold opponents to below their shooting averages as their primary defender.
- Ayton scores the 7th most points by center-forwards at 19.0 per game. Of the top 15 scoring center-forwards in the NBA, Ayton has the 2nd best defensive rating on-off differential of -4.3, behind Embiid's -6.5. Yes, I called this post OC because of this poopy table.
- The Suns with Ayton have a 106.8 defensive rating, which would be 7th in the league. The Suns without Ayton have a 111.1 DRtg, which would be 21st.
My gosh it was painfully obvious that Bridges should have been starting after a while. Even to this day rotations are questionable.
Tyler Johnson, i really wished that worked out. I believe and still do, that he was the best guard coming off the bench. I'm sure he wasn't in our long term plans, but if he could have produced then hopefully be resigned at a cheaper contract then i would have been all for it. I just don't see why he was given the shaft before the season started. Even now, Carter is getting the worse end of it too by not being the first guard off the bench. Inconsistent minutes for anyone, especially reserves, doesn't help with chemistry or role expectations.
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Our bench has been horrible, but a lot of that has been due to injuries. Baynes, Kaminsky, Johnson, Saric all have been out forcing us to go even deeper on the bench. What is absolutely clear is that this team needs more defense and more consistent three point shooting. Ayton has huge gravity in the middle. Surrounding him with 3 and D players at every position has to be the best way to go. Baynes is fine as a back up C, as long as he is available. Diallo has been horrible.
We must add a pg this off season that is good enough to compete with Rubio for the starting position. We need to add a 3 and D starting level pf. Oubre needs to come off the bench.
We must add a pg this off season that is good enough to compete with Rubio for the starting position. We need to add a 3 and D starting level pf. Oubre needs to come off the bench.
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If Oubre is moved to the bench I think the Suns can kiss him goodbye. He is a starter. Suns need to add to the team rather than take away.
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Booker is in LA at Kobe's memorial -- my guess is he's going to hop over to SLC this afternoon.
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Thx JC. Very interesting and pretty incredible numbers.
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The reality is, if Ayton hadn't gotten himself suspended, we would probably be talking about a whole different Suns season than what we have now.
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All good, but they really need to grow as a team on that other end! They have their spurts, but Chicago ( Coby White) really torched us which can't happen. Our switching back and forth needs to be better and helping out more consistent. Tired of seeing the bigs isolated up top. Switching needs to happen sooner by the guards and forwards!
Treat EVERY game like it's a playoff game from here on.
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Bolden didn't get much of a look with the Suns. I'm hoping they are exploring other options with a roster spot available.
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Ayton is having significantly more impact than most of us are recognizing. Maybe we all should just take a moment and enjoy it.
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They should have signed Bender - they are going to regret it.
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The Suns should take advantage of the open roster spot and bring in someone that has a chance to stick for next season. I think Bender was one of those players but there are others.
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I watched a little of it on Spectrum News and that was quite a collection of celebrities. And yes, Booker was one of them.
I watched a little of it on Spectrum News and that was quite a collection of celebrities. And yes, Booker was one of them.
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Got to give credit to Ayton for upping his block numbers and his rim protection in general. It's been a bit up and down this year but it's up more than down.
He needs to start being more aggressive inside on offense. I thought we'd see that much sooner than him become an average or better rim protector.
He needs to start being more aggressive inside on offense. I thought we'd see that much sooner than him become an average or better rim protector.
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