Suns versus Knicks, Jan. 2 Thread!

[az1965]

The suns were whistled for alot of marginal fouls at critical times. Touch fouls on a power player in the post are not called in 99% of all situations and yet the whistling was almost nonstop. These calls were game deciding in that several suns players fouled out before the game was decided. Players dive into the defender after a pumpfake or back down the defender off the dribble causing alot of physical contact, but the defender can be called for touchfouls?

There is a refereeing problem in the NBA and it appears to be so bad that legitimate questions CAN be raised in MANY games, not just suns games. This game was a sham in this way, and so was the Lakers/Heat game on XMAS(its not just the suns). Wade couldnt get a call on a drive and yet touch fouls on miami defenders of Kobe were numerous. The same was true of the pistons/spurs matchup on xmas, it was just an awful spectacle. All I wanted to see was good basketball on xmas, but even though the teams were good, the refs were not. The NBA has flirted with inconsistent enforcement of traveling, carrying, holding for years and its just getting worse. The NBA is about 2 or three notches from the NBAWWF and its a shame. Its hard to not suspect corruption. I'm really sick of hearing that "the officiating is consistent within a game", its frequently not consistent at all!

It's a shame. Plus no one can even say anything about this. The media needs to start raising these low quality (even may be intential biased) officiating issues since players and coaches cannot say without being slapped with $$$ of fine.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Makes you wonder: What kind of penalties do refs get, IF (HUGE IF), they were found guilty of controlling the outcome of a game?

It brought to mind a discussion I heard over the radio about illegal immigrants, and why they're being hired by slimeball companies. These companies stand to gain a LOT of money by hiring overworked, underpaid workers that will never complain. So what if they get caught? Pay tens of thousands in fines, when the workers afforded them hundreds of thousands in profit?

Maybe it's the same way with the refs. Earn a killing betting on the underdog - say hundreds of thousands, and the penalty (again, IF caught), is maybe what, ten thousand? Twenty thousand? Do they get fired? Don't they have a union?

Maybe this is why the Spurs lose to the Hawks every year?

Not a conspiracy guy, but just something to think about.

 

[slinslin]

Bump for Tim Donaghy

 

[abomb]

The power of the Internets is awesome.

 

[Mulli]

Bump for Tim Donaghy

Good job remembering this thread.

 

[arthurracoon]

Makes you wonder: What kind of penalties do refs get, IF (HUGE IF), they were found guilty of controlling the outcome of a game?

I hear Donaghy is being investigated by the FBI now

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Jan 2nd 2006 suns @ knicks

Triple OT
Suns 133 Knicks 140

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260102018

Officials: Robby Robinson , Tim Donaghy , Tom Washington

Free throws made/attempted by New York
32-54
59.3%

Free throws made/attempted by Phoenix
14-16
87.5%

Suns Fouls
Diaw - 32 min - FO
Thomas - 36 min - FO
Bell - 31 min - FO
Burke - 13 min - FO
Marion - 60 min - 5 fouls
Nash - 55 min - 5 fouls
Jones - 33 min - 5 fouls

Knicks Fouls
Davis - 19 min - 0 fouls
Lee - 52 min - 3 fouls
Curry - 43 min - 3 fouls
Marbury - 55 min - 5 fouls
Robinson - 39 min - 5 fouls
Crawford - 49 min - 2 fouls
Taylor - 24 min - 4 fouls

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Jan 2nd 2006 suns @ knicks

Triple OT
Suns 133 Knicks 140

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260102018

Officials: Robby Robinson , Tim Donaghy , Tom Washington

Free throws made/attempted by New York
32-54
59.3%

Free throws made/attempted by Phoenix
14-16
87.5%

Suns Fouls
Diaw - 32 min - FO
Thomas - 36 min - FO
Bell - 31 min - FO
Burke - 13 min - FO
Marion - 60 min - 5 fouls
Nash - 55 min - 5 fouls
Jones - 33 min - 5 fouls

Knicks Fouls
Davis - 19 min - 0 fouls
Lee - 52 min - 3 fouls
Curry - 43 min - 3 fouls
Marbury - 55 min - 5 fouls
Robinson - 39 min - 5 fouls
Crawford - 49 min - 2 fouls
Taylor - 24 min - 4 fouls

Ok, now how many times did each ref blow their whistle?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Ok, now how many times did each ref blow their whistle?

not it!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Ok, now how many times did each ref blow their whistle?

Tim Donaghy 70; Robby Robinson 0; Tom Washington 0

Jk

 

[haverford]

What the heck, bump again....

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

oh snap, forgot about this

 

[Calvin]

Ok, now how many times did each ref blow their whistle?

I don't have any concrete evidence to make you believe me, but...

Years ago I began arguing with a friend that Las Vegas could bring suit against the NBA because of the obvious fix that was in some games. I argued that if the large casinos could prove that the NBA was fixing games then the bets weren't legal anymore and they could possibly sue the NBA for damages in the winnings they paid out. I specifically noted this game in my argument and did research the referees. I could be totally wrong but by my calculation at that time, 2 1/2 years ago, Tim Donaghy was responsible for 26 of the 41 fouls called against the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ok, now how many times did each ref blow their whistle?

I don't have any concrete evidence to make you believe me, but...

Years ago I began arguing with a friend that Las Vegas could bring suit against the NBA because of the obvious fix that was in some games. I argued that if the large casinos could prove that the NBA was fixing games then the bets weren't legal anymore and they could possibly sue the NBA for damages in the winnings they paid out. I specifically noted this game in my argument and did research the referees. I could be totally wrong but by my calculation at that time, 2 1/2 years ago, Tim Donaghy was responsible for 26 of the 41 fouls called against the Suns.

It's hard to say who allegedly was fixing games. Maybe the casinos are not the victim. This matter needs to be investigated much more deeply.

 

[Bufalay]

Donaghy was even worse in the 3-OT game against the Nuggets that same season (Gave Eddie House 2-pts for a 3-pt shot).

Last season the Suns lost on some BS against the Jazz (Okur fouled on two 3-pt attempts in the final minute of regulation?).

There are also nice playoff games against the Lakers and Spurs.

 

[D-Dogg]

Suns/Knicks will be must see TV. I can't wait.

 

[Superbone]

it's like the game is fixed, but the knicks can't win

Wow. Good call. You may have been more right than you ever realized.