SUNS vs KINGS

[Cheesebeef]

There is no way they could call a foul on that block. Hopefully you get to see the replay because it was the cleanest nastiest block I've seen all year.

Cardinal Mike!!

I didn't mean a foul - I was expecting a goal-tend being in Sactown - but it was clean - thrown back in Miller's bitch-ass face.

I think that no call actually being made is a sign of respect for our boys on the road in the toughest arena in sports right now.

 

[Joe Mama]

If that block had been called goaltending I would not have complained after seeing the replay from the other end of the court. If the ball wasn't coming down it was definitely at the top of its arc. It was so damn close there's no way they could call it. Aren't we only saying that the referees reward the aggressors at the end of the game?

That said, Sacramento Kings got what they deserved. I haven't seen a group of cry babies like that since they played the Suns in Phoenix. That's the last time I really thought the referees screwed the Suns. I even watched back in the next day, and it just pissed me off more. Last night the referees were pretty bad on both ends of the court for much of the game. However if any team got the edge it was definitely Sacramento. I couldn't believe how much they complained. I think a lot of it was frustration over blowing the big lead. Well, they always complain.

That was just a fantastic game. I have a feeling that the playoffs are going to be very exciting and very stressful for us.

Joe Mama

 

[sunsfn]

Might be in the top 10 of all-time Suns games...regular season at least. Amazing...simply amazing...Mike

Mike,
I agree with you..........at least in the top 10, maybe higher!

This was really an unbelievable game.

The Suns never quit, and they played this game on an even keel with their emotions, unlike the Kings.

Every starter had times in the game where he stood out.
Nash through the whole game, JJ unbelievable game, (liked his aggresive dunk) Marion with some unbelievable rebounds like the one on the JJ missed free throw late that ended up with the Suns scoring, Amare with 20 points and of course the block in the end, and Q with those 2 important shots in the end............"WHEW"

 

[Chaz]

The King fans (and players) are trying to say the ball was in the cylinder.

I don't see how it could be and it clearly was not on the way down.

Amare would have had to take it off the rim for it to be goaltending and it had barely left Miller's hand. For it to be over the cylinder more than half the ball has to be over the rim.


Miller and the Kings have to be the biggest crybabies in the league. They wanted a replay and the refs to discuss it. There is nothing to replay or discuss, all the refs agreed it was a good block.

What really bugs me is their bad sportsmanship at the end of the game and how it incites their fans to feel like they got screwed by the refs when really they were screwed by their own players.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Sac was actually lucky as far as the calls went. Webber could have easliy been tossed for the play where he was pulling on Marions jersey under the basket.
You would figure that since Vlade left, that a lot of the crying would stop.

f-Sacramento.

 

[elindholm]

For it to be over the cylinder more than half the ball has to be over the rim.

I think that's right, but I've also heard that if any part of the ball is over the rim, it's considered in the cylinder. I guess the logic is that it could have some sort of spin on it that would bring it back. Does anyone have a link to an authoritative statement of the rule?

 

[WaywardFan]

I go back to what Chap said, that how could he block it if it WAS in the cylinder? Wouldn't his arm have to have come from within, which clearly didn't happen?

 

[Chaz]

I think rule 11.b is the one that applies here. The rest are pretty clear.
He was shooting from right under the basket. The question is did the ball get enough lateral movement to be "within the cylinder"? It looked to me like Amare did not block the ball from over the cylinder.

Rule 11
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11.html?nav=ArticleList

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.
PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Mark (Phoenix): Bill, please tell me you watched the Suns/Kings game last night? Wow, what a game. Do you see any playoff indication with that Suns win? and what do you think of Walter McCarty trade?

Bill Walton: I'm watching this game last night I'm jumping up and down, airborne, yeah! Why can't every game be like that! I had dreams, visions of Brad Miller throwing his headbands! Pure bliss! They were never calling time out, they were never looking at the coaches, they were JUST PLAYING BALL. Bibby vs. Nash. Peja vs. Quentin. Chris Webber, Amare, Joe Jonshon, Mobley! Wow! This is the kind of basketball I grew up with! What could be better??

 

[Chaz]

I don't know that Miller had a chance to dunk either but he could have gone left hand off the glass. Laying it up soft over the front of the rim is not recommended.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

A few other thoughts about the game:

I love watching Bibby's offense at the end of the game, dribble around, then dive into the body of whoever is around and barf up a shot. And the refs actually give into this....what a freaking joke.

The Kings are a less talented, less athletic version of the Suns. Seriously, where do the Suns not have an advantage? JJ was unstoppable last night, and should have gotten the ball more. Marion and Q need to stop busting 3's when they are not on...they are streaky shooters who are either on or not, and it is pretty obvious from their first few shots every game how it will go. Can't say enough about how Amare is playing on both ends of the court these days, he is really stepping up his game.

 

[JPlay]

Sacramento choked this one away and the Suns made them pay.

#1 Bibby misses two free throws

#2 Brad Miller blows and easy layup

#3 Brad Miller blows the game winning shot putting the ball up lazily.

Other thoughts...

*Barbosa played good and had some great plays including a steal and a great drive

* Jim Jackson was horrible against his old team. Threw up an airball at one point.

* Marion and Q were off offensively and we still won.

* Sacramento's whole team can pass, the backdoor plays were killing us.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sacramento choked this one away and the Suns made them pay.

#1 Bibby misses two free throws

#2 Brad Miller blows and easy layup

#3 Brad Miller blows the game winning shot putting the ball up lazily.

Other thoughts...

*Barbosa played good and had some great plays including a steal and a great drive

* Jim Jackson was horrible against his old team. Threw up an airball at one point.

* Marion and Q were off offensively and we still won.

* Sacramento's whole team can pass, the backdoor plays were killing us.

totally agree with everything above.

Bottom line - GREAT WIN - you make the other team pay for their mistakes - just like San Antonio did to us. I knew when Miller missed that layup it would come back tohaunt them, just lik when Shawn missed his late in the game against the Spurs.

 

[SirStefan32]

What a great game. I just watched the tape. One of the best games I've seen all year. I was getting a bit sick about Sacramento bitching about every call... they need to grow up.

Stefan

 

[AZZenny]

I was getting a bit sick about Sacramento bitching about every call... they need to grow up.

Actually, from watching this board decompensate today, I'd say the whining and ranting and nit-picky bitching is extremely contagious and you all should not watch any more Sac games for your communal mental health.

 

[elindholm]

Barbosa played good and had some great plays including a steal and a great drive

I agree with everything except this. Barbosa was not good. He had one or two good plays, but several bad ones.

 

[Mulli]

I was getting a bit sick about Sacramento bitching about every call... they need to grow up.

Actually, from watching this board decompensate today, I'd say the whining and ranting and nit-picky bitching is extremely contagious and you all should not watch any more Sac games for your communal mental health.

Decompensation
To "decompensate" means to fall apart mentally and emotionally. Decompensation occurs during the onset of a psychotic process. Non-psychotic persons may decompensate when the stressors they are faced with are greater than they can cope with.

Beautiful.

 

[George O'Brien]

Barbosa played good and had some great plays including a steal and a great drive

I agree with everything except this. Barbosa was not good. He had one or two good plays, but several bad ones.

Leandro made some GREAT plays, but his inconsistency is a huge problem. I still think he is going to become a pretty good PG some day, but it is a slow process. He had 2 assists in 8 minutes, but also 2 turnovers.

I wish he had a chance to get more experience, but the schedule is not favorable. There are too many games against playoff teams right now to risk having Nash off the floor for very long.

 

[Gaddabout]

Leandro had that freakish play where he stole the ball on a lazy Webber pass and blew by three Kings for the bucket. Athletically speaking, he makes his opponents look like high schoolers at times.

Another time he wildly drove the baseline, got inside and dumped it off to Q underneath the hoop. I have no idea how he got around Miller.

It's moments like that where I pause to consider what Leandro could become.

 

[sunsfn]

Barbosa has great speed, great attitude, long arms for defense, he can really pass, and the most important thing, HE CAN FINISH!!

I think all he needs is playing time, and he will get it from now on. The minutes he gets will depend on the team and the score, but I think D'Antoni plans on giving him minutes to help his experience, and to give Nash some rest.