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I presume you are joking if you are talking about Fesenko here.
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I presume you are joking if you are talking about Fesenko here.
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I'm not talking about building a team around him. Just someone to lay into the really powerful big men, collect 6 fouls and help wear them down. Plumlee and Len are tired of handing over their lunch money every time we face the Kings, Bulls or Grizzlies.
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Thanks for the feedback about the game.
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Now that's what I'm talking about.
Isn't Fesenko a free agent? We could parade him around for Suns fans who want someone really big.
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It's amazing that four games into his Summer zleague career, TJ Warrens incredible production is already seen as a given. Maybe one post on the guy that scored 26!
I think he may average 15 a game this year
I think he may average 15 a game this year
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Good point. His production is already expected although I'm not sure how that translates to the regular season.
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He will average about .75 pts a minute. So it will all depend on minutes.
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I was a bit unclear. Warren may not be able to score in the regular season like he scores in the summer league which seems probable.
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No. I was just disagreeing. He seems to score at the same rate wherever he plays. You are making the sensible prediction, I think it will be wrong though.
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It's impressive but I wouldn't read too much into it. Goodwin put up more points and led the Suns to the championship game last year's summer league and then couldn't crack the Suns rotation.
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I would say the Morris twins led us last summer more than Archie did. Goodwin played in 7 games last summer and averaged 13 points per game. TJ, who is averaging 20 points per game, will almost surely pass him by despite the fact he'll play in 2 fewer games and even had to miss most of another game because of injury. TJ has scored 80 points in 92 minutes, there's simply no comparison to Archie's play.
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I almost forgot that the Morris twins played last summer and took shots away from Goodwin, something Warren didn't have to worry about this year.
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This obsession with Goodwin is starting to get creepy. Like Andrew/ Shaq creepy.
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Yeah Archie is shooting 39% from the field and 20% from the three even though almost all of his makes have been lay ups. So TJ's biggest problem had been Archie taking shots away from him and bricking them.
He has gotten some steals though.
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Yeah ill bet you on that. Theres Summer League stats and then there is watching a guy and knowing - damn hes an NBA guy. I laugh at all the people tempering themselves on Warren. Apparently you dont know what you are looking for.
Goodwin I understand and dont think thats a good example. Any NBA fan with any sense watches Goodwin last year and sees athletic potential and ability but still being some time a way. Warren is different hes refined and ready. Its not just stats. Its what Warren is doing out there and how he is doing it. It translates. Just watch.
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Warren scores like he's a seasoned NBA veteran from the 80's. Goodwin is still a shiny trinket. Archie may eventually pass TJ by but right now, Warren is a sure thing and Goodwin's kernels have yet to pop.
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Yeah Im working on it. Ill change it just for you Mulls
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I agree. I watch him out there and he just plays seasoned. I have to remind myself that he's a rookie. Although, I don't want to get my hopes too high. I'll be pleased if he plays himself a regular part of the rotation this season and averages 9-10 pts a game. But, I can't help believing he will be a starter averaging 16-20 pts no later than year 3. Man, I really hope he's our diamond in the rough of mid to late round picks. He may not end up rookie of the year, but I have to believe there's potential for him being in the conversation.
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His teammates really have started looking for him. I don't think it's because they have been instructed to do so or plays are running for him. You just naturally throw it to the guy you know will score it. It's instinctive.
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Archie Goodwin's length on the court is great to see. Could be a disruptive defender in the future and he's already showing signs of that. Still in development so can't be too tough on the kid.
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We're not being too tough on the kid. Some of us are merely arguing against the idea he's ready for major minutes. If you want to win, he can't see the court very often. Yesterday, there was a play in the first few minutes that was a perfect example of what I don't like about him. He comes down and throws up a wild shot early in the shot clock even though he has Warren and someone else wide open. It seemed to me like he even briefly paused and saw TJ wanting the ball (with a clear passing lane). He plays the game like he's at his local gym.
He has great length and he's quick and his long strides make him seem even quicker but he still doesn't know the first thing about how to win. If he ever gets there, he's a superstar. But he has the kind of flaws that should keep him off the court IMO. Putting him out there now would be similar to playing Beasley major minutes. It sends the wrong message to the rest of the players.
I've said it before but I really wish they'd take the ball out of his hands. Permanently (sort of). Make him focus solely on defense. He has the makings of a stopper. Put the offense on the back burner and let him develop one true NBA level skill instead of him being a tease in just about every category. Once he can earn minutes as a defensive force then start to develop his offensive skills.
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What? When did I say anything even remotely close to that? Or are you making that statement?
I don't think Warren will suck but I don't think the reason he's gonna do well is because he put up points in summer league. Nobody plays defense in summer league. Summer league is one of those things where as a rookie, its not amazing if you play well in it however it is disastrous if you struggle in it. Only a handful of NBA players who struggled in SL turned out to be good (Bledsoe ironically is one of them).
I like Warren and he's shown a lot of nice moves and composure. Wasn't a big fan when he was selected but he's really grown on me. If he had the chance to get a lot of minutes, I would say that he's the favorite for ROY. But none of that is because of his summer league stats.
