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Friday, December 17, 2004


Juniors getting to the point



By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider



The cream of the high school class of 2001 has already been skimmed off. Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Andre Iguodala are already in the NBA and look like they'll be all-stars for years to come.

However, the rest of the junior class remains surprisingly intact. Four defections this late in the game is rare. Of course, there's a reason.

"That class was pretty top heavy," one NBA scout said. "With the exception of Bosh and Stoudemire, there just weren't a lot of big men. Most of the really talented players left in the class are guards. That's a little disappointing, but there are some talented kids left."

How talented? Only the top three or four kids on the chart project as potential lottery picks, however there's plenty of first-round and second-round talent in this group.

Deron Williams, PG, Illinois
The facts: 6-foot-3, 210 pounds; 12.8 ppg, 6.9 apg on 43 percent shooting
The skinny: More and more scouts are claiming that the second best point guard prospect in the league is Williams. While Wake Forest's Chris Paul is getting tagged as the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd, Williams is getting the rep as the player whose style and body most resemble Kidd's.

"Deron is a lot like Kidd in the half court," one NBA scout said. "They play the same way. They're both straight-line guys. Once he gets his hip on you, he's gone. Deron's not as fast as Kidd in the open court, but Deron can shoot. Jason can't."

Not everyone agrees. Some scouts think he lacks the speed and quickness to be a great NBA point guard. However, Insider's most trusted scouts feel that Williams playmaking ability, size, strength and floor vision make up for his lack of speed in the open court. Look for him to go anywhere between the late lottery to mid-first round.

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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]If Felton were taller, he would be a lock for a lottery pick.[/font]Raymond Felton, PG, North Carolina
The facts: 6-1, 200 pounds; 9.7 ppg, 7.7 apg on 45 percent shooting
The skinny: Felton is another one of the best "pure" point guard in the college ranks right now. He has blazing speed and a real feel for directing traffic. He's a great ball handler and can see things on the floor before most point guards can. He's an excellent athlete and has a nice, strong frame that NBA scouts love. He can be very explosive and plays with a nice flair.



Not everything is positive for Felton. He can't shoot off the dribble. At times, he struggles to nail even open jumpers when teams give him the shot. What's interesting is that Felton averaged 30 ppg as a senior in high school, so obviously he knows how to score. He just hasn't done it well during his stint at UNC. He's also an accomplished defender.

The comparisons with T.J. Ford are pretty obvious. If he were two or three inches taller, he'd be a lottery pick for sure. Right now, scouts think the late lottery to mid first round is probably where he'll be taken.

John Gilchrist, PG, Maryland
The facts: 6-3, 200 pounds; 14.4 ppg, 7.1 apg on 48 percent shooting
The skinny: Gilchrist has it all. He's tough, has a great NBA body and athleticism for a point guard, can score and pass, and has hit some big clutch shots for Maryland over the past two years.

So why isn't he ranked higher on the list? He's so much like like Stephon Marbury in style and attitude – that he's scaring off a number of scouts who feel that Marbury's style of play puts up great numbers, but doesn't win in the NBA.

"I'm not sure you win with him," one NBA scout who has had Marbury on his team told Insider. "His numbers look great, but you watch how he interacts with his teammates and it isn't too good. He gets way too negative to his own players and he too often gets caught up in his own game at the wrong times. The talent is there. I'm not sure about the head."

That report makes Gilchrist a little tough to project – lottery talent with a second round attitude. Figure that teams split the difference and he's a mid-first rounder.

Antoine Wright, G/F, Texas A&M
The facts: 6-7, 210 pounds; 16.7 ppg, 7.1 rpg on 58 percent shooting
The skinny: Wright seems to have rebounded from a horrific sophomore season. Wright looked like he was a lock for the lottery after an amazing freshman season for the Aggies. However, last season his numbers dropped across the board as he shot just 36 percent from the field and 29 percent from the 3-point arc.

This year, Wright seems to have regained his shooting stroke and his confidence. He handles the rock well for a 6-foot-7 foot player, he sees the floor well and just has an overall good feel for the game. Scouts still wonder about his head a bit after he fell apart last season. If he can continue to play like he has this season, scouts claim he's talented enough to be a lottery pick. Right now he's more on the mid-first round bubble.

Francisco Garcia, G/F, Louisville
The facts: 6-7, 200 pounds; 16.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.9 apg on 47 percent shooting
The skinny: Garcia appears to have helped himself tremendously this offeseason by gaining a little weight. He's obviously a gifted scorer and a top-notch athlete. He's a dead eye from long range and seems to have no problem getting to the basket at will. He's very quick and explosive.

Garcia's long, versatile and has a good feel for the basketball. He's a fabulous shot blocker for a swingman and also is a dead eye from the free throw line. Scouts believe his natural position is the three, but he also has the ability to play the two. The comparisons to Tayshaun Prince are pretty solid. He still needs to get stronger and work on shooting off the dribble, but most scouts now see him as a very solid mid to late first round pick.

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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Carney has to learn how to create his own shot in order to elevate his draft projection.[/font]Rodney Carney, SF, Memphis
The facts: 6-7, 210 pounds; 17.1 ppg, 6.3 rpg on 39 percent shooting
The skinny: After a scintillating start to the season, Carney has cooled off in the last week. That might be due to an enormous amount of tension right now in the program thanks to a three-way feud between coach John Calipari, Sean Banks and Darius Washington Jr.. Carney is a good kid that seems to be caught in the middle.



The 6-7 junior is the son of two track stars. Carney himself was the Indiana state champ in the high jump as a high school senior. Calipari calls him one of the best five athletes in the country, something you know will turn heads in the NBA.

"Just on DNA, you've got to love him," one NBA scout told Insider. "Both parents are track stars. He may be the best athlete in college basketball. On an up-tempo team he'd be really good. He's also improved his shooting in the mid-range game, which is why he's having such a big year."

So why hasn't he gotten more publicity? "He goes through huge spans where he disappears. He doesn't create his own shot. If he did, he'd be a lock for the lottery."

Look for Carney to get consideration as a late lottery to mid-first round pick anyway if he continues to play well. With his size, length, speed, jumping ability and three-point shooting ability, he appears to be the prototypical NBA small forward.

Rashad McCants, SG, North Carolina
The facts: 6-4, 205 pounds; 19.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg on 53 percent shooting
The skinny: McCants might be the most-talented junior in the country. He's obviously a gifted scorer and a top-notch athlete. He's a dead eye from long range and seems to have no problem getting to the basket at will. He's very quick and explosive.

But he, too, has some serious issues. Scouts believe he's much closer to 6-3 and don't believe he has the handle or the head to be an NBA point guard. His long arms and athleticism make up for some of those height issues, but not all of them. He's also a spotty defender, which certainly doesn't help his cause
"He's just so moody. He's up and down like a yo-yo. He's a talented kid who will be very tough to coach in the NBA," says one scout. "There's a history of these undersized scoring two guards in the league. Most of them don't make it. How's he going to handle adversity? From what I've seen, the answer isn't good."


McCants is also getting hurt from comparisons to another talented, undersized two guard from North Carolina – Joe Forte. Despite having talent, athleticism and the ability to score at will, Forte was a major bust in the NBA. Is McCants on the same track? He's a high lottery pick based on talent, but he's another kid with a second round attitude. Who knows who will take a shot?

Shelden Williams, PF, Duke
The facts: 6-9, 250 pounds; 15.9 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 3.6 bpg on 57 percent shooting
The skinny: Williams is one of the best rebounders in college basketball. He's a physical bruiser who works tirelessly in the paint. He's also one of the best, if not the best, shot blocker in the NCAA. While he isn't the most athletic guy, he is quick off the floor.

Could Williams be the second coming of Carlos Boozer? Scouts say that the work ethic and basketball IQ are there, but Williams lacks Boozer's scoring touch on the offensive end. He has terrible hands. If you watch him closely, he never catches the ball cleanly. That could limit his effectiveness on the offensive end.

Still, for teams looking for rebounding and shot blocking in the paint, Williams is one of the best options on the board. Look for him to be a late first rounder.

Nate Robinson, SG, Washington
The facts: 5-9, 180 pounds; 22.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.6 apg, 2.4 spg on 56 percent shooting
The skinny: Several NBA scouts are quietly saying that Robinson is their favorite basketball player in college basketball. When you look at his numbers it's kind of tough to argue. Right?

So why isn't Robinson atop our list of potential No. 1 overall picks? Size matters in the NBA, and Robinson stands 5-9 in shoes (according to official measurements at the 2004 Chicago pre-draft camp). The fact that he isn't even a point guard also doesn't help matters.

Still, that hasn't stopped scouts from drooling over the possibility of adding Robinson late in the first round. "He's the best finisher in college basketball," one NBA scout gushed. "He's almost impossible to guard."

Robinson put up impressive numbers last season, too. He was one of the better players at the Chicago pre-draft camp, averaging 11.7 ppg and ranking second in the camp in assists. In fact, he ranked No. 1 among all the players in the camp in athletic testing.

He measured a 43.5 inch vertical and ran the three-quarters court sprint in 2.96 seconds, a Chicago record. However, he couldn't convince one team to give him a promise in the first round, so he went back to school. That sounds like it's going to change this year.

"I'm not sure where he will go in the draft, but don't forget the 'wow' factor here," an NBA exec told Insider. "Every time he touches the ball, everyone holds their breath. He can sell tickets. Fans react to him. I think he's going to go much earlier than people think. If he's a mid-first rounder I wouldn't be surprised.

Right now he's a likely late first-round, early second-round pick, but it only takes one team to fall in love for him to go much higher.

Jarrett Jack, PG, Georgia Tech
The facts: 6-foot-3, 200 pounds; 13.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5 apg on 61 percent shooting
The skinny: Jack is having another up-and-down year. That's not really the image you want to project if you're a point guard. He really knows how to run a team. He has good size and nice court vision, as well as an NBA body and athleticism. He's an excellent rebounder for a point guard. He's also a good defender who collects a decent number of steals.

Still, scouts worry that he plays a little out of control at times. His three turnovers per game are fairly high for such a natural point. He doesn't have great 3-point range on his jumper, and he struggles to shoot off the dribble.

With so many point guards ranked ahead of him right now, he's probably better off returning to school for his senior season unless he really breaks out during the second half of the season. Right now he's on the first round bubble.

Best of the Rest: Kennedy Winston, G/F, Alabama; Hassan Adams, SG, Arizona; Bracey Wright, G, Indiana; J.J. Redick, G, Duke; Sean May, PF, Duke; Torin Francis, PF, Notre Dame; Paul Davis, PF, Michigan State; Rashad Anderson, SG, UConn; Dee Brown, G, Illinois; Ike Diogu, PF, Arizona State; Justin Gray, G, Wake Forest; Jeff Horner, PG, Iowa; Kelenna Azubuike, G/F, Kentucky; Anthony Roberson, G, Florida; Tim Smith, G, Eastern Micihgan; Matt Haryasz, F/C, Stanford; Juan Jose Barea, PG, Northeastern; Brandon Roy, G, Washington; Craig Smith, F, Boston College; Carl Krauser, PG, Pittsburgh; Shavlik Randolph, F, Duke; Nik Caner Medley, F, Maryland; Matt Walsh, F, Florida; Jason Fraser, F, Villanova; Pierre Pierce, G, Iowa



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<LI>Pittsburgh's Chris Taft was a preseason favorite for the No. 1 pick in the 2005 draft. That might begin changing soon. Several NBA scouts told Insider that they were unimpressed with Taft after attending a series of Pitt games over the past couple of weeks.

Taft's numbers have certainly been suspect. Five players on the Pitt roster are getting more minutes than Taft. His rebounding numbers and field-goal percentage are down from last year. For the season, he's averaging just 12.9 ppg and 6.7 rpg. Those aren't lottery pick numbers. What's going on?

"I think he has a bad case of NBA-it is," one NBA scout said. "He just looks like he's going through the motions. Last year he had something to prove. This year, he seems like he's just trying not to get hurt."

Another scout said that he's concerned that Taft has put on some bad weight, which may be hurting his athleticism and explosiveness. Whatever the reasons, he's clearly found himself in head coach Jamie Dixon's dog house. Dixon has been leaning toward using Chevon Troutman (another player scouts really like) instead, because Troutman hustles and grabs loose balls.

His teammate, point guard Carl Krauser, says that Taft will get his minutes once he starts putting in the work again.

"I don't really know what's going on with that, I just know a lot of guys are competing hard, and maybe it's tough to get everybody the minutes they're supposed to have," Krauser said. "But I know with hard work, (Taft) is going to bounce back into the top three."

<LI>NBA scouts have been whispering to Insider for weeks that something was amiss at Memphis. All of them came away raving about Carney and cursing about Banks and Washington under the breath. Now we know why.

Calipari suspended Banks indefinitely this week for breaking team rules. However, there's more to it than that.

"He's been a cancer on that team," one NBA scout said. "He's a selfish player. Instead of reveling in the fact that he has more talent around him, he's gotten more selfish. He's a very talented player, the most talented guy on Memphis. But with his attitude, I'm not sure how you give a guy a guaranteed contract in the first round acting like he does."

Those observations, coupled with a checkered past for Banks, has torpedoed his NBA stock for the moment.

<LI>Our apologies to Duke guard Daniel Ewing, who mysteriously was left off our list of college seniors NBA scouts were watching. It was an accident, not an indictment on his pro prospects. To make up for the mistake, I asked one NBA scout, who is a Ewing fan, to break down his game.

"I think he has the chance to become an NBA point guard," the scout told Insider. "He's got all the physical tools and real knack for scoring. They question has always been his size (6-foot-3). He needs to make the transition to the one. I think he's made huge strides this year. He's shown that he's a good passer and makes smart decisions with the basketball. I think he could be a Gilbert Arenas like point guard in the pros."

Other scouts aren't quite as sure. They all love his athleticism, his ability to shoot off the dribble, and his three-point accuracy. Ewing's numbers this year, 17.9 ppg, 4.4 apg, 46 percent shooting from three are very impressive. But can he make the transition to the point? Every scout has a different take. Unfortunately for Ewing, that's the difference between Ewing going in the mid to late first round and the second round.

<LI>On the other side of the pond, several top prospects are getting minutes and turning the heads of scouts. Croatian point guard Roko Leni Ukic, who declared and withdrew from the 2004 NBA draft, continues to impress scouts. He's averaging 17.1 ppg, 3.7 apg 44 percent shooting for Split.

Croatian guard Marko Tomas followed up our mention in Insider last Friday with a 30-point game against Split this week – a career high for Tomas.

Serbian powerhouse Partizan has suffered a high number of injuries, meaning that some of their young talents are getting opportunities to play.

Uros Tripkovic continues to look like one of the best young guard talents in Europe. Peja Samardziski, who didn't play a minute for the senior team last year, continues to get important minutes for Partizan this year. He had 14 points versus Hemofarm earlier in the week. He got to play 16 minutes in their Euroleague game against Efes Pilsan on Thursday and grabbed four rebounds.

The other sleeper is Turkish big man Semih Erden. Erden, an 18-year-old seven footer, has been getting consistent minutes for Partizan and is seen as a legit NBA prospect. He had 17 points against Hemofarm this week and had 10 points and six rebounds versus Efes Pilsan on Thursday.

Finally, scouts are spending a lot of time in Madrid, Spain checking out two potential prospects playing for Read Madrid. Mickael Gelabale, a 21-year-old, 6-7 swingman from France, is putting up consistent solid numbers in Euroleague play. He had 17 points and 7 rebounds versus Climamio Thursday night and is averaging 9 ppg on 68 percent shooting in Euroleague play.

This week's sleeper is Real Madrid's Axel Herville, a 21-year-old, 6-9 power forward from Belgium who led the Ulep cup in rebounding last season. "He's a good athlete, with long arms and big shoulders," one NBA scout said. "He's kind of a rebounding specialist. He isn't much of a scorer but he really hits the glass as well as anyone in Europe right now."

Herville had 12 boards against Estudiantes last week and 10 points in Madrid's win versus Cimamio on Thursday. Both players are second round prospects at this point, though Gelabale has enough game that he could work his way late into the first round with strong workouts.
 
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Here's your answers to Gilchrist and Felton, so the comparisons are complete.

Felton=T.J. Ford
Gilchrist=Marbury
Paul=Iverson

I'm not a scout but these guys are. I just see the system at GT very similar to what the Suns have right now and Jack fits in there, he will fit in with Phoenix.

DRAFT JARRET JACK

If he cuts down on his turnovers
 
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Slinslin

Here's your answers to Gilchrist and Felton, so the comparisons are complete.

Felton=T.J. Ford
Gilchrist=Marbury
Paul=Iverson

I'm not a scout but these guys are. I just see the system at GT very similar to what the Suns have right now and Jack fits in there, he will fit in with Phoenix.

DRAFT JARRET JACK
Sorry if the guy can't make 3's or shoot of the dribble he will not fit into the Suns system.
 

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Jack had more turnovers than assists in his last game.

Everytime I saw Jack play so far he has shown me nothing that would make me think he has any more PG skills than Tony Delk.

The Suns most likely won't have a pick at all or just the Bulls pick. And Jack is definately not lottery material.

Paul on the other hand had 14 points 11 assists 5 rebounds and 6 steals in his last game and is a lock to be taken in the top 10.

Chris Paul won't turn 20 until just before the draft. At 18 this kid was already the best PG in the country.

The article left off Shakur who I'd take over Jack easily and UofA plays much more like the Suns than GT.
 
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Sorry if the guy can't make 3's or shoot of the dribble he will not fit into the Suns system.
We've got JJ, Barbosa, Marion, Q to shoot the 3's or shoot period. We need someone to run the team, Barbosa can't do that.
 

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We've got JJ, Barbosa, Marion, Q to shoot the 3's or shoot period. We need someone to run the team, Barbosa can't do that.

And Jack can?

The guy is averaging just 5.0 apg and almost 4.0 turnovers. He is just a year younger than Barbosa.

I take my chances with Barbosa much rather than Jack.
 

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Jack had more turnovers than assists in his last game.

Everytime I saw Jack play so far he has shown me nothing that would make me think he has any more PG skills than Tony Delk.

The Suns most likely won't have a pick at all or just the Bulls pick. And Jack is definately not lottery material.

Paul on the other hand had 14 points 11 assists 5 rebounds and 6 steals in his last game and is a lock to be taken in the top 10.

Chris Paul won't turn 20 until just before the draft. At 18 this kid was already the best PG in the country.

The article left off Shakur who I'd take over Jack easily and UofA plays much more like the Suns than GT.
Paul had made a statement recently that he wants to stay for his junior year.

Jack is up and down, he had no turnovers and 11 assists against Michigan. I can't explain it but maybe he plays to the level of the competition. That level is higher in the NBA and I think that being a backup to Nash for three years would be the best thing for his improvement.

Will Bynum reminds me more of Tony Delk than Jack.

Time will tell and the tournament will probably decide a lot for both Paul and Jack.
 

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And Jack can?

The guy is averaging just 5.0 apg and almost 4.0 turnovers. He is just a year younger than Barbosa.

I take my chances with Barbosa much rather than Jack.
The profile sayes it all, " Jack really knows how to run a team".
 
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The profile sayes it all, " Jack really knows how to run a team".
So do other point guards in the college.
 

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Jack had more turnovers than assists in his last game.

The article left off Shakur who I'd take over Jack easily and UofA plays much more like the Suns than GT.
Just did some research on Shakur this season

35% FG
24% 3PT
3 TO/Game

Jack
62% FG
50% 3PT
4 TO/Game

Shakur is a Sophmore and like Paul might stay another year.

Jack has obviously improved his shooting percentage, so either has improved his shot or his shot selection.

GT lineup is just like Phoenix's, BJ Elder(JJ), Muhamad (Marion), Schenser(Amare) and Bynum (Q). These are not player comparison, just position comparisons.
 
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:confused:

Shakur is averaging 1.4 assists more per game than Jack and turns it over 0.9 less.

The shooting numbers don't really mean anything. It's only 8 games so far and Shakur had a 1-12 night against Paul who was 2-11 himself.

I thought you wanted someone who can run the team. Not someone who can shoot. In that case I think we can just go on with Barbosa because he can definately shoot.
 

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The profile sayes it all, " Jack really knows how to run a team".

Profiles of draft prospects are always way too flattering, no matter who writes them. Maybe one time out of 50, a profile will underrate a player. Other than those exceptions, it's all rose-colored upside dreaming.
 

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Come on give me a break, I said by position not skill.

Jack can run the team. Barbosa just had a quote in a recent article. " I like to run, run, run. I especially like it when I am on the floor with Nash." That tells me he does not want the responsibility of running the team. Jack just needs to take less risks, Barbosa is afraid to take any.
 

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Profiles of draft prospects are always way too flattering, no matter who writes them. Maybe one time out of 50, a profile will underrate a player. Other than those exceptions, it's all rose-colored upside dreaming.

6'8 220lbs G/F 18yrs old

Everything this kid does is silky smooth, even hard drives to the lane capped with the empathetic dunk seem easy... Has supreme athleticism, and gets many points off ally oop dunks as well as on drives to the hole... Has a very quick, effortless release on his jump shot. Combine that with great elevation and you have an almost unblockable shot... Most of the shots go in, in fact his jump shot from midrange to outside is one of his defining qualities... Loves to spot up for the open three, or stop and pop for the 15 footer... Overall just a sick scorer from outside ... Even At 6'8 he handles the ball like a guard, often starting (and finishing) the fast break... Loves to run the floor for the ally oop dunk, but also knows when to pass the ball... Most of those passes get right where they need to be ... However, those fast breaks don't just start themselves, Gerald is often the one creating the turnovers... His long arms and tremendous athleticism lead to lots of blocked shots and steals. Often creating the turnover, starting the break, and finishing with a monster dunk... Also rebounds exceptionally well for a guard/forward his size... The total package, an all around player who will do whatever it takes to win. There aren't many with his gifts at his size... With time and effort this kid will be something special.

:eek:

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:eek: 6'8 220lbs G/F 18yrs old

Everything this kid does is silky smooth, even hard drives to the lane capped with the empathetic dunk seem easy... Has supreme athleticism, and gets many points off ally oop dunks as well as on drives to the hole... Has a very quick, effortless release on his jump shot. Combine that with great elevation and you have an almost unblockable shot... Most of the shots go in, in fact his jump shot from midrange to outside is one of his defining qualities... Loves to spot up for the open three, or stop and pop for the 15 footer... Overall just a sick scorer from outside ... Even At 6'8 he handles the ball like a guard, often starting (and finishing) the fast break... Loves to run the floor for the ally oop dunk, but also knows when to pass the ball... Most of those passes get right where they need to be ... However, those fast breaks don't just start themselves, Gerald is often the one creating the turnovers... His long arms and tremendous athleticism lead to lots of blocked shots and steals. Often creating the turnover, starting the break, and finishing with a monster dunk... Also rebounds exceptionally well for a guard/forward his size... The total package, an all around player who will do whatever it takes to win. There aren't many with his gifts at his size... With time and effort this kid will be something special.

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Who is this for? sounds intresting is it Hakim Warrick
 

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Doesn't sound like Shawn Marion to me. Shawn Marion doesn't handle the ball like a guard.

No it is not Hakim Warrick. Warrick isn't 18 years old. :)

I can't find a DoB but I guess "he" might not even be 18 right now.

Here is what Insider wrote about him a week ago.

X is a 6-8 swingman playing at XY Academy in Z. He was the MVP of the ABCD camp this summer and is currently the highest-ranked high school player on Insider's boards.

X has drawn comparisons to a young Tracy McGrady. He's very athletic, with a 41-inch vertical. He also possesses great range on his jump shot, can create his own shot off the dribble and is an excellent ballhandler. Scouts claim he's one of the fastest players in the draft despite the fact that he's 6-8. He's averaging 29 points, 15 rebounds, seven blocks and five assists this season.

X needs to put more muscle on his wiry frame. Scouts also claim he's very immature and struggles in the classroom.


Today, X is projected as a late-lottery to mid-first-round pick
 
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It's Gerald Green, the only decent high school prospect this year.
 

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And I meant to add, the Bulls are 6 and 6 over their last 12, seem to be improving. Right now, they'd have the 4th pick in the draft (assuming the lottery falls the way it should, which it did last year), so we'd get it. I'm starting to think the Bulls might be turning the corner to a small degree. I hope it continues. I'd rather have the fifth or sixth pick this year than the 10th or 11th in two years.
 

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Hugh Jass said:
It's Gerald Green, the only decent high school prospect this year.
Thanks for finding this, I was going back through all of Slinslin posts because I remember him touting this kid. 5 years from now when we need a replacement for Marion, I'd be all for him.
 

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Hugh Jass said:
It's Gerald Green, the only decent high school prospect this year.

Well nbadraft.net has Louis Williams ranked higher right now. He sounds like a 6'2 Allen Iverson.

Andray Blatche could also make at least sneak into the first round it looks like. There is still plenty of time left and in 3 months there will surely be some names being talked about in the lottery that nobody mentioned so far.
 

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coloradosun said:
Thanks for finding this, I was going back through all of Slinslin posts because I remember him touting this kid. 5 years from now when we need a replacement for Marion, I'd be all for him.

We might have to find a replacement for JJ next offseason if some crazy GM offers him a max contract or near that.
 

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slinslin said:
Doesn't sound like Shawn Marion to me. Shawn Marion doesn't handle the ball like a guard.

No it is not Hakim Warrick. Warrick isn't 18 years old. :)

I can't find a DoB but I guess "he" might not even be 18 right now.

Here is what Insider wrote about him a week ago.

X is a 6-8 swingman playing at XY Academy in Z. He was the MVP of the ABCD camp this summer and is currently the highest-ranked high school player on Insider's boards.

X has drawn comparisons to a young Tracy McGrady. He's very athletic, with a 41-inch vertical. He also possesses great range on his jump shot, can create his own shot off the dribble and is an excellent ballhandler. Scouts claim he's one of the fastest players in the draft despite the fact that he's 6-8. He's averaging 29 points, 15 rebounds, seven blocks and five assists this season.

X needs to put more muscle on his wiry frame. Scouts also claim he's very immature and struggles in the classroom.


Today, X is projected as a late-lottery to mid-first-round pick
Is this a test?
 

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coloradosun said:
Just did some research on Shakur this season

35% FG
24% 3PT
3 TO/Game

Jack
62% FG
50% 3PT
4 TO/Game

Shakur is a Sophmore and like Paul might stay another year.

Jack has obviously improved his shooting percentage, so either has improved his shot or his shot selection.

GT lineup is just like Phoenix's, BJ Elder(JJ), Muhamad (Marion), Schenser(Amare) and Bynum (Q). These are not player comparison, just position comparisons.
Here's the season comparison of Paul and Jack

Paul

41% FG
45% 3PT
82% FT
2.1 Stl
4.8 Reb
6.0 Asst
2.6 TO
12.1 Pts
1.45 Pts per Shot

Jack

62% FG
50% 3Pt
90% FT
1.9 Stl
5.1 Reb
5.0 Asst
3.9 TO
13.3 Pts
1.82 Pts. per Shot



These are pre-conference numbers but I just do not see how you say Paul is so much better. The only difference is one assist and one and a half TO a game difference. It would be like a backdoor pass that goes for a dunk instead of out a bounds.

Go to this link to get espn's rundown on Jack
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=13930
 
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Just did some more research

Paul was:
2-11FG with 4TO's against Shakur & Arizona
4-11FG with 1TO's against Dee Brown & Illinois

Jack had:
3 TO's in a 25 point victory
3 TO's in a 37 point victory
6 TO's in a 22 point victory
7 TO's in a 25 point victory

and
7 TO's in a 1 point victory against Ill. Chicago Circle

This looks like a run and gun style player to me in a Phoenix Suns type system and I'm sure his TO will decrease once they get to a conference schedule.
 
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