Super Bowl LI: Atlanta Falcons vs. New England Patriots

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But he seems going back to early in his career to have NOT come up big in the big games?

Before this year in the playoffs he was 9 TD's 7 INT's. This year he was great 9 TD's 0 INT's but again in the biggest stage when his team needed him to come up big he has the fumble where it's partly on him, and then takes a sack where the pressure came right at him. Career wise by far his lowest passer rating is 4th quarter, significantly worse in OT.

He was great this year no question, but again when they needed it he couldn't get it done.

Well that seems like a very high standard to hold him too. The defense didn't exactly help them in the 2nd half. I can't defend the sack but they should've been pounding it with Freeman.

He shredded the 49ers #1 defense in the NFCCG a few years back as well.
 

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Well that seems like a very high standard to hold him too. The defense didn't exactly help them in the 2nd half. I can't defend the sack but they should've been pounding it with Freeman.

He shredded the 49ers #1 defense in the NFCCG a few years back as well.

and yet, when he had that 49ers D, backed up to their own goal line with a chance to put them in the Super Bowl with 4 shots from inside the 10 yard line, he couldn't make the big play.
 

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and yet, when he had that 49ers D, backed up to their own goal line with a chance to put them in the Super Bowl with 4 shots from inside the 10 yard line, he couldn't make the big play.

How bout the Seattle game before that? I mean we can rag on the guy for not being Rodgers/Brady. He's a pretty damn good QB though.
 

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How bout the Seattle game before that? I mean we can rag on the guy for not being Rodgers/Brady. He's a pretty damn good QB though.

He is definitely a solid QB, but I don't know that he scares anyone at the end of a game.

I mean, did ANYONE think that he could move his team down the field for a FG after the Pats tied it up? He had 57 seconds and they went absolutely no where there.

Personally, I think he's like a slightly richer man's version of Palmer. A QB that is can play well enough to get you to a Super Bowl, but it's got to be one of those years where everything breaks for you... and the NFC was pretty weak this year.
 

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How bout the Seattle game before that? I mean we can rag on the guy for not being Rodgers/Brady. He's a pretty damn good QB though.


then we agree because that's my point, he's a very good, pretty damn good QB, but he's not a GREAT Qb because when he's had the chances, he's not come through.
 

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He is definitely a solid QB, but I don't know that he scares anyone at the end of a game.

I mean, did ANYONE think that he could move his team down the field for a FG after the Pats tied it up? He had 57 seconds and they went absolutely no where there.

Personally, I think he's like a slightly richer man's version of Palmer. A QB that is can play well enough to get you to a Super Bowl, but it's got to be one of those years where everything breaks for you... and the NFC was pretty weak this year.

Matty "Iced" isn't a winner, he clearly isn't. He had his best year ... and it ended even worse than Carson Palmers Best year. Yes, Palmer played worse in the NFC Championship game, but we now know he was injured so yeah, he had an excuse, even if excuses are worthless sometimes. Both QB need a great Team around them to win it all. The difference that I see between thoose two is, CP is somehow more eager to win, you saw him fighting even in the NFC Championship game, he fought till the end, I didn't see that fire in Matt Ryan.

Oh and 19 Minutes on O ... the D was gassed in the 4th Qrt. You saw how they needed more time to get air, and what did Shanahan call ... pass plays. It really was Ariansesque playcalling, but without the cojones to go for it on 4th down or trying something "risky" on O or D just plain and stupid playcalling. Why outside routes, when consuming playtime is the best thing you can do? I didn't see anyone asking why on the 35 yard line he starts to call 3 routes to the outside, when the middle was open and would have been the better decision because of time management, yes you can pass but short screens, short safty dumbs for 4-6 yards to get your first down, because you want to fool the D that thinks you run it, but with empty backfield, that calls for mayham and desaster.

Yes no riskit no buiscuit, but you have to finish the game, you have to seal the deal. On the 35 yard a FG away of closing it out, normally you run it 3 times, make the FG and try to stop them at least once. If you want to risk it, to get that all ending First down, you throw short to intermidiate routes over the middle or screens, but not to the outside or long developing routes.

But yes, this was one of the greatest chokes in Spots history.

The good for the rest of the NFC, the Atlanta Falcons will if history is telling the truth, not playing well next season and probably even longer.
 

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Matty "Iced" isn't a winner, he clearly isn't. He had his best year ... and it ended even worse than Carson Palmers Best year. Yes, Palmer played worse in the NFC Championship game, but we now know he was injured so yeah, he had an excuse, even if excuses are worthless sometimes. Both QB need a great Team around them to win it all. The difference that I see between thoose two is, CP is somehow more eager to win, you saw him fighting even in the NFC Championship game, he fought till the end, I didn't see that fire in Matt Ryan.

No one would be saying this if his OC hadn't completely crapped the bed after a pretty amazing frozen rope thrown on the run to Julio down to the 22 yard line. That game was OVER at that point if the OC just ran the ball three times and kicked the FG.

And I still don't buy Palmer's "injury". If he was that bad off, there would have been ZERO reason to play him in a meaningless game against Seattle in Wekk 17. And even if he was injured, his DECISION-MAKING in the playoffs was beyond abysmal. Throwing repeatedly into double coverage has nothing to do with his finger.

Arguing there's a fire in Palmer that Ryan doesn't have... when Ryan has actually played three GREAT playoff games and a pretty good Super Bowl, as opposed to pretty awful football every time Palmer has played in the playoffs doesn't wash with me.
 

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There you have it. Matt Ryan is not a winner but Palmer is because he shows "fire" when throwing 5 picks. Honestly are there two quarterbacks that have more similar on-field demeanor than Carson Palmer and Matt Ryan?
 

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Matty "Iced" isn't a winner, he clearly isn't. He had his best year ... and it ended even worse than Carson Palmers Best year. Yes, Palmer played worse in the NFC Championship game, but we now know he was injured so yeah, he had an excuse, even if excuses are worthless sometimes. Both QB need a great Team around them to win it all. The difference that I see between thoose two is, CP is somehow more eager to win, you saw him fighting even in the NFC Championship game, he fought till the end, I didn't see that fire in Matt Ryan.

Oh and 19 Minutes on O ... the D was gassed in the 4th Qrt. You saw how they needed more time to get air, and what did Shanahan call ... pass plays. It really was Ariansesque playcalling, but without the cojones to go for it on 4th down or trying something "risky" on O or D just plain and stupid playcalling. Why outside routes, when consuming playtime is the best thing you can do? I didn't see anyone asking why on the 35 yard line he starts to call 3 routes to the outside, when the middle was open and would have been the better decision because of time management, yes you can pass but short screens, short safty dumbs for 4-6 yards to get your first down, because you want to fool the D that thinks you run it, but with empty backfield, that calls for mayham and desaster.

Yes no riskit no buiscuit, but you have to finish the game, you have to seal the deal. On the 35 yard a FG away of closing it out, normally you run it 3 times, make the FG and try to stop them at least once. If you want to risk it, to get that all ending First down, you throw short to intermidiate routes over the middle or screens, but not to the outside or long developing routes.

But yes, this was one of the greatest chokes in Spots history.

The good for the rest of the NFC, the Atlanta Falcons will if history is telling the truth, not playing well next season and probably even longer.

Matt Ryan is a baller and a flat-out winner. Any QB who could take a BC team as high as #2 in the country, as he did his senior year, has something special in his DNA. To blame the Falcons' loss in the Super Bowl on Ryan is wrong. After playing lights out for 3 quarters, it was his remarkable throw to Julio Jones (and stupendous catch) that got the Falcons down to the 20 yard line in the first place---then Kyle Shanahan admits, he should have run the ball three times to set up the game icing FG.
 

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