Supposed meeting at practice

[Covert Rain]

I hate to sound arrogant, but I saw this coming 2 years ago. Sarver ruined everything that was good about the Suns when got his mits on them. Now you see why I dislike the guy.

It's not arrogant and your not alone. Many of us on this board had seen this coming when Sarver starting making decisions based on money. Starting selling off draft picks etc. Several people on this board have been saying stuff like this all along.

The icing on the cake was hiring of Lon and Sarver saying that this was the wave of the future for the NBA.

Where is that wave? When did all these mass hirings take place for non basketball people running your organization?

 

[Mainstreet]

It's not arrogant and your not alone. Many of us on this board had seen this coming when Sarver starting making decisions based on money. Starting selling off draft picks etc. Several people on this board have been saying stuff like this all along.

The icing on the cake was hiring of Lon and Sarver saying that this was the wave of the future for the NBA.

Where is that wave? When did all these mass hirings take place for non basketball people running your organization?

I think jury is still out on Babby. I think the Suns trade with Orlando was a good move. The problem is the moves Sarver made before Babby came on board.

 

[leclerc]

If they can use Vince Carter and one of our wings to get a real inside player and/or a high pick that would be very positive. I think we can make the transition from Nash+Amaré contenders to exciting young/rebuilding club without being awful for too long a time. Two stars and we're good. One from the draft and a youngster. Gortat, Lopez, Duds, Dragon are decent role players. Nash and Hill are good veteran guys. We can make it work!

 

[Ronin]

Well at least they aren't doing paper mache collage.

Anywho, I thought when the Atlanta Hawks owners were suing each other (it was the owner who didn't want to sign JJ) was bad.

Sarver takes the cakes as doucheface owner.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think jury is still out on Babby. I think the Suns trade with Orlando was a good move. The problem is the moves Sarver made before Babby came on board.

Point being is that Sarver's justification for hiring a non basketball guy was because he said it was the wave of the future. When in reality we all know he hired a business guy because that is the most important thing to Sarver.

There has been no wave. There has been no move towards following Sarver's basketball.....errr......business model by other teams. Regardless if Babby works out or not, you won't catch great franchises in the NBA following Sarver's lead......and for good reasons.

 

[Cheesebeef]

not extending JJ was my first thought that we were in trouble, but the second that buffoon did the Chicken-Dance at the Spurs at center court in our first season, i KNEW this owner was going to ultimately be a disaster. bad basketball iq and an arrogant idiot is a bad combo.

 

[BC867]

i KNEW this owner was going to ultimately be a disaster. bad basketball iq and an arrogant idiot is a bad combo.

Add to that running an NBA team like a bank and it makes our current status so predictable. I've wondered before, but do the Suns minor investors not have any influence on him at all?

I don't think the Board of Directors of any company would sit by and watch their Chairman of the Board make a fool of himself, let alone in one as visible as a major league sports franchise. Minor or not, it's their investment, too.

 

[sunsfan88]

not extending JJ was my first thought that we were in trouble, but the second that buffoon did the Chicken-Dance at the Spurs at center court in our first season, i KNEW this owner was going to ultimately be a disaster. bad basketball iq and an arrogant idiot is a bad combo.

What are you talkin about?

 

[Ronin]

What are you talkin about?

I think he's talking about when the Spurs held out players toward the end of the season. Sarver got brave and did the chicken dance to mock them.
Spurs kicked our arse in the postseason though...

 

[Mainstreet]

The icing on the cake was hiring of Lon and Sarver saying that this was the wave of the future for the NBA.

Where is that wave? When did all these mass hirings take place for non basketball people running your organization?

Could the New York Knicks be a part of the wave if they hire former Nuggets GM Mark Warkentien as a high level consultant? True, Warkentien is a former GM but he is being hired in a consultant role.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6075655

 

[JCSunsfan]

Add to that running an NBA team like a bank and it makes our current status so predictable. I've wondered before, but do the Suns minor investors not have any influence on him at all?

I don't think the Board of Directors of any company would sit by and watch their Chairman of the Board make a fool of himself, let alone in one as visible as a major league sports franchise. Minor or not, it's their investment, too.

He keeps saying that he wants to run the team on the Spurs model, but then he doesn't. The Spurs lost to us last year in the playoffs, but did not panic. They had confidence in their core, kept it together, developed together as a team and look where they are now.

I really believe it would have been possible to keep last summer's team together. Oh, well. He did not want to take the long term risk on Amare, and the jury is still out on that decision. Betting on a player's demise to injury has not worked well in the past. You think he would have learned from Mark Cuban and Nash.

 

[SirStefan32]

He keeps saying that he wants to run the team on the Spurs model, but then he doesn't. The Spurs lost to us last year in the playoffs, but did not panic. They had confidence in their core, kept it together, developed together as a team and look where they are now.

I really believe it would have been possible to keep last summer's team together. Oh, well. He did not want to take the long term risk on Amare, and the jury is still out on that decision. Betting on a player's demise to injury has not worked well in the past. You think he would have learned from Mark Cuban and Nash.

I am sorry, but not giving Amare the same deal NYK gave him was not a mistake. It was a very smart move.
Sarver followed this up with some stupid moves-signing Warrick, Childress, and Frye, and trading for Hedo.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am sorry, but not giving Amare the same deal NYK gave him was not a mistake. It was a very smart move.
Sarver followed this up with some stupid moves-signing Warrick, Childress, and Frye, and trading for Hedo.

I don't really consider any of the post-Amare moves stupid. The only stupid thing about the offseason is that we traded for Hedo with a team that was over the barrel and we let them off the hook. We'll never know for sure but I'm convinced a real GM would have acquired at least a first round pick to take Hedo from Toronto.

Steve

 

[jagu]

I don't really consider any of the post-Amare moves stupid. The only stupid thing about the offseason is that we traded for Hedo with a team that was over the barrel and we let them off the hook. We'll never know for sure but I'm convinced a real GM would have acquired at least a first round pick to take Hedo from Toronto.

Steve

+1

A real GM... I think we should try out of one of our bench warming wings for the GM spot. That way we can allocate that money for good use.

 

[jagu]

I am sorry, but not giving Amare the same deal NYK gave him was not a mistake. It was a very smart move.
Sarver followed this up with some stupid moves-signing Warrick, Childress, and Frye, and trading for Hedo.

Yea, not signing Amare to that deal was smart indeed but the trip to KFC to buy 24 wings for about the same price Amare would be costing us this year was pretty damn stupid.

 

[BC867]

...the trip to KFC to buy 24 wings for about the same price Amare would be costing us this year was pretty damn stupid.

Were they original recipe or roasted?

 

[leclerc]

At least now we don't have all our chicken wings in one basket... all though they cost the same and don't contribute as much as one big.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't really consider any of the post-Amare moves stupid. The only stupid thing about the offseason is that we traded for Hedo with a team that was over the barrel and we let them off the hook. We'll never know for sure but I'm convinced a real GM would have acquired at least a first round pick to take Hedo from Toronto.

Steve

Yeah, I am not sure who did the negotiating on that one. I do have some hopes for Babby as far as negotiating skills. After all, that's primarily what an agent does. He seemed to do OK with the Orlando trade in that area. My concern is the ability to evaluated talent and understand team chemistry. I am not sure that cap management would be an agent's strong suit either.