Terminator Genisys

[Covert Rain]

I saw 2 before one. When I went back to one, it just seemed like a low budget horror movie in comparison to the awesomeness that was T2.

Granted, I was young and havent seen t1 in some time. I do remember when he put his eye on the planter, that scene was awesome.

I didn't see the original entire 1st movie until T2 was coming out. It came off like a cheese horror flick but with a cool killer robot. That is exactly how I felt after watching it. Maybe at the time it came out it was more impressive. However, after seeing T2, I really didn't care about the first movie anymore except from a continuity perspective.

I would be more in favor of a hybrid reboot a la Star Trek with a changed timeline versus complete remake of a movie that really wasn't as good as people think it was. Had a wicked awesome concept and some memorable scenes but was not a great movie IMO.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I didn't see the original entire 1st movie until T2 was coming out. It came off like a cheese horror flick but with a cool killer robot. That is exactly how I felt after watching it. Maybe at the time it came out it was more impressive. However, after seeing T2, I really didn't care about the first movie anymore except from a continuity perspective.

I would be more in favor of a hybrid reboot a la Star Trek with a changed timeline versus complete remake of a movie that really wasn't as good as people think it was. Had a wicked awesome concept and some memorable scenes but was not a great movie IMO.

T1 was the shiznit when it first came out, and I still really like it...but T2 blows it out of the water.

I like the idea of a hybrid reboot (a la Star Trek). They could use the continuity of the first three films to set up an alternate beginning.

 

[Covert Rain]

T1 was the shiznit when it first came out, and I still really like it...but T2 blows it out of the water.

I like the idea of a hybrid reboot (a la Star Trek). They could use the continuity of the first three films to set up an alternate beginning.

 

[Stout]

I didn't see the original entire 1st movie until T2 was coming out. It came off like a cheese horror flick but with a cool killer robot. That is exactly how I felt after watching it. Maybe at the time it came out it was more impressive. However, after seeing T2, I really didn't care about the first movie anymore except from a continuity perspective.

I would be more in favor of a hybrid reboot a la Star Trek with a changed timeline versus complete remake of a movie that really wasn't as good as people think it was. Had a wicked awesome concept and some memorable scenes but was not a great movie IMO.

Or you don't have such good taste as you think you do. The only reason T2 'blows it out of the water' is because the original was so good (remember, it effectively launched Ahnold as a megastar), so well done, and so lauded, that T2 would be VIABLE as a sequel. So, yes, when the film was done 7 years later and with a highly inflated budget (Roughly 6.5 compared to 94 million--yeah, chump change, all right) compared to the original, you got a cleaner movie. Of course, it's a movie that wouldn't exist without a very good original but, hey, keep telling people it wasn't as good as THEY thought it was.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Or you don't have such good taste as you think you do. The only reason T2 'blows it out of the water' is because the original was so good (remember, it effectively launched Ahnold as a megastar), so well done, and so lauded, that T2 would be VIABLE as a sequel. So, yes, when the film was done 7 years later and with a highly inflated budget (Roughly 6.5 compared to 94 million--yeah, chump change, all right) compared to the original, you got a cleaner movie. Of course, it's a movie that wouldn't exist without a very good original but, hey, keep telling people it wasn't as good as THEY thought it was.

yeah, the idea that The Terminator wasn't that good of a movie is pretty funny to me. People wouldn't have been dying to see T2 if the original didn't blow them away and besides TDK or something like the original Batman, I can't remember any movie in the last two decades that had people as excited for a sequel...or hell...any movie as much as T2 did.

 

[Chaplin]

yeah, the idea that The Terminator wasn't that good of a movie is pretty funny to me. People wouldn't have been dying to see T2 if the original didn't blow them away and besides TDK or something like the original Batman, I can't remember any movie in the last two decades that had people as excited for a sequel...or hell...any movie as much as T2 did.

Valid point. But I can think of a few movies that elicited more excitement than T2 did. Star Wars Episode 1 and Matrix Reloaded are the first that come to mind.

 

[earthsci]

Or you don't have such good taste as you think you do. The only reason T2 'blows it out of the water' is because the original was so good (remember, it effectively launched Ahnold as a megastar), so well done, and so lauded, that T2 would be VIABLE as a sequel. So, yes, when the film was done 7 years later and with a highly inflated budget (Roughly 6.5 compared to 94 million--yeah, chump change, all right) compared to the original, you got a cleaner movie. Of course, it's a movie that wouldn't exist without a very good original but, hey, keep telling people it wasn't as good as THEY thought it was.

Yes. Hey...I guess Jaws sucked too. You can totally tell that the shark is fake.

 

[Covert Rain]

yeah, the idea that The Terminator wasn't that good of a movie is pretty funny to me. People wouldn't have been dying to see T2 if the original didn't blow them away and besides TDK or something like the original Batman, I can't remember any movie in the last two decades that had people as excited for a sequel...or hell...any movie as much as T2 did.

I didn't say it sucked. Only that I didn't think it was a great movie. The concept was wicked cool. Many fans were introduced to the franchise via T2 because myself and most of my friends were to young to care about the first movie. Many of my friends had never seen the first film or only caught bits and pieces but thought T2 looked cool. They didn't only see it because of the first film. Older fans like my older brother sure did. It was one of his favorite films.

I have a friend that had seen Empire Strikes Back before Star Wars. Yeah...don't ask. At any rate, after seeing that one, he really didn't like Star Wars at all. He kind of felt like yeah, it was OK but he never really thought it was great.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Anyone that thinks T1 was better than T2 needs to take off the nostalgia-glasses, and rethink how they judge films.

T1 was a straight out rip off of a pair of Harlan Ellison Outer Limits episodes, and far from an original idea. What made T2 vastly superior to the original was how Cameron took a retelling of essentially the same story, and put one of the most original time-travel twists on it that I've seen...not necessarily it's $96 million budget...which, by the way, didn't hurt it either. LOL

Again, for the record...

T1=great movie
T2=top 10 all-time movie

 

[AzStevenCal]

Anyone that thinks T1 was better than T2 needs to take off the nostalgia-glasses, and rethink how they judge films.

T1 was a straight out rip off of a pair of Harlan Ellison Outer Limits episodes, and far from an original idea. What made T2 vastly superior to the original was how Cameron took a retelling of essentially the same story, and put one of the most original time-travel twists on it that I've seen...not necessarily it's $96 million budget...which, by the way, didn't hurt it either. LOL

Again, for the record...

T1=great movie
T2=top 10 all-time movie

Did I miss something? Was that even on the table here or is this just a general comment from left field? As far as I know, the debate has centered around whether or not T1 is something less than a good movie ("a movie that really wasn't as good as people think it was").

For the record (my record)....
T1=Great concept, fun movie
T2=Top 100 all time movie

Steve

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Did I miss something? Was that even on the table here or is this just a general comment from left field? As far as I know, the debate has centered around whether or not T1 is something less than a good movie ("a movie that really wasn't as good as people think it was").

For the record (my record)....
T1=Great concept, fun movie
T2=Top 100 all time movie

Steve

Hmmm, good question. Upon a re-read, perhaps I read something into things that wasn't implied in other's comments.

If that's the case then it was from left field.

In my defense, I've spent the last two evenings discussing recent films with dunderheads. Maybe I was just being preemptive.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Hmmm, good question. Upon a re-read, perhaps I read something into things that wasn't implied in other's comments.

If that's the case then it was from left field.

In my defense, I've spent the last two evenings discussing recent films with dunderheads. Maybe I was just being preemptive.

Dunderheads will do that to you.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Anyone that thinks T1 was better than T2 needs to take off the nostalgia-glasses, and rethink how they judge films.

T1 was a straight out rip off of a pair of Harlan Ellison Outer Limits episodes, and far from an original idea. What made T2 vastly superior to the original was how Cameron took a retelling of essentially the same story, and put one of the most original time-travel twists on it that I've seen..

That is a fair take and you are not the first person I have heard see the movie this way.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Valid point. But I can think of a few movies that elicited more excitement than T2 did. Star Wars Episode 1 and Matrix Reloaded are the first that come to mind.

I'm not sure I would put the Matrix up there. People were definitely SUPER hyped about it, but we're talking Arnold, the biggest ass movie star in the world at the time coming back to the role that made him a star. Forgot about Star Wars was the most anticipated sequel ever.

also, my brain for some reason just went hand and hand with hype and expectations being actually met...if not exceeded. T2 did that in spades while Menace and Reloaded both disappointed to certain extents.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm not sure I would put the Matrix up there. People were definitely SUPER hyped about it, but we're talking Arnold, the biggest ass movie star in the world at the time coming back to the role that made him a star. Forgot about Star Wars was the most anticipated sequel ever.

also, my brain for some reason just went hand and hand with hype and expectations being actually met...if not exceeded. T2 did that in spades while Menace and Reloaded both disappointed to certain extents.

Well, if we base it on how good the sequels were, then T2 definitely beats both. But as far as ANTICIPATION goes, Star Wars was more anticipated and Matrix was at least on par with T2. Never mind that both were shadows of their previous films.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, if we base it on how good the sequels were, then T2 definitely beats both. But as far as ANTICIPATION goes, Star Wars was more anticipated and Matrix was at least on par with T2. Never mind that both were shadows of their previous films.

i agreed with you on Star Wars. still don't think the Matrix hype holds a candle to T2. Mostly because people knew the movie was coming, details, info leaked in today's internet world. meanwhile, back in 1991, no one had a CLUE T2 was coming. the previous movie was made 7 years earlier and without the internet, there was no chatter of sequel.

all i remember was that teaser trailer of T2 hitting the screens...15 seconds, a terminator being created, pressed and Arnold coming out the other side with red eyes and the crowd going freaking BONKERS.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

... and trashing of the Terminator recently...wow, just wow.

the trashing of The Terminator is pretty ridiculous. I'll give ya that.

Where? Where is this trashing of The Terminator?

 

[Covert Rain]

i agreed with you on Star Wars. still don't think the Matrix hype holds a candle to T2. Mostly because people knew the movie was coming, details, info leaked in today's internet world. meanwhile, back in 1991, no one had a CLUE T2 was coming. the previous movie was made 7 years earlier and without the internet, there was no chatter of sequel.

all i remember was that teaser trailer of T2 hitting the screens...15 seconds, a terminator being created, pressed and Arnold coming out the other side with red eyes and the crowd going freaking BONKERS.

People were excited about Matrix but I think T2 was probably more hyped. Like you said Arnold much bigger star, old generation of fans, new generation of fans, and James C. was a bigger director.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Where? Where is this trashing of The Terminator?

calling a the Terminator a "low budget horror flick" or a "cheese horror flick" or saying that it's not as good as we remember it being is trashing it IMO. That wasn't just some cult classic that people loved cause it was Arnold as a bad guy. That was a critically acclaimed sci-fi film that was way ahead of it's time and brilliant story-telling.

it's tomameter rating on Rotten Tomatoes was 100%. Cheese horror flicks don't get that kind of rating on that site. Hell, NO movie gets that rating on that site for the most part unless it's brilliant.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator/

 

[PDXChris]

Where? Where is this trashing of The Terminator?

Mallrats is 10X's the movie the first Terminator is.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, if we base it on how good the sequels were, then T2 definitely beats both. But as far as ANTICIPATION goes, Star Wars was more anticipated and Matrix was at least on par with T2. Never mind that both were shadows of their previous films.

I can't speak for others but it certainly wasn't for me. I loved Star Wars and waited for many years for Lucas to re-visit the series but my anticipation had waned considerably by the time he finally did go back to it. And then, when it was announced that it was episode one rather than a continuation of the series I lost what little interest remained. I'd wager that a lot of people, at least in my generation, felt the same way. I longed for a T2 from the moment I finished watching the first one and that never changed for me.

Steve

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

calling a the Terminator a "low budget horror flick" or a "cheese horror flick" or saying that it's not as good as we remember it being is trashing it IMO. That wasn't just some cult classic that people loved cause it was Arnold as a bad guy. That was a critically acclaimed sci-fi film that was way ahead of it's time and brilliant story-telling.

it's tomameter rating on Rotten Tomatoes was 100%. Cheese horror flicks don't get that kind of rating on that site. Hell, NO movie gets that rating on that site for the most part unless it's brilliant.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator/

One person said that...one! And that qualifies as "trashing"?

To me, trashing would imply more people, saying more virulent things, than just one person calling T1 "low-budget horror".

Just saying...

 

[BigRedRage]

PS, when I said it seemed like a low budget horror flick, I watched it AFTER seeing T2 in theaters. When you watch a 7 year old movie following a high budget blockbuster, that is an easy impression to come away with.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Much has changed.

http://screenrant.com/terminator-5-kyle-reese-jai-courtney/

Reboot rather than a prequel or sequel.

Alan Taylor (Thor: The Dark World) is directing.

Arnold in it in some capacity - as the Terminator or as the human that inspired the machine in some way (according to speculation on sites).

Emilia Clarke (Game of Thrones) is Sarah Connor.

Jason Clarke (Zero Dark Thirty) is John Connor.

Jai Courtney (A Good Day to Die Hard) is Kyle Reese

 

[Stout]

Yeah, still no.