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Yeah thats a hard sell when you've already written this team off as a failure after less than 20 games. Joy:rolleyes:

You overestimate Porter's system (if there is one) and underestimate D'Antoni's system. I've come to believe watching the coaching transition and players that D'Antoni got the most out of his players. Do you really think Nash would have won two MVPs with any other team? Maybe the Suns really were just a roster of just above average players that D'Antoni melded into something very special.
 

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You overestimate Porter's system (if there is one) and underestimate D'Antoni's system. I've come to believe watching the coaching transition and players that D'Antoni got the most out of his players. Do you really think Nash would have won two MVPs with any other team? Maybe the Suns really were just a roster of just above average players that D'Antoni melded into something very special.

DA's system definitely made Nash better, but JJ was special no matter what system he played in as was/is Amare and if anything, DA's system stunted any kind of growth Marion was ever making. That's not to say it was a bad system or unsuccessful, just that I think he had pretty special talent. Marion was a 20 and 10 guy before he showed up, JJ's become one of the top 5 SGs in the league, Amare was well on his way to becoming a monster offensively (and defensively never got any better). It definitely made Nash an MVP though.
 

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DA's system stunted any kind of growth Marion was ever making. That's not to say it was a bad system or unsuccessful, just that I think he had pretty special talent. Marion was a 20 and 10 guy before he showed up,...;.

Marion's stats actually went up a bit under DA.

1999-2004 17.4 and 9.2
2004-2008 18.6 and 10.7

(2008 prior to trade)
 
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DA's system definitely made Nash better, but JJ was special no matter what system he played in as was/is Amare and if anything, DA's system stunted any kind of growth Marion was ever making. That's not to say it was a bad system or unsuccessful, just that I think he had pretty special talent. Marion was a 20 and 10 guy before he showed up, JJ's become one of the top 5 SGs in the league, Amare was well on his way to becoming a monster offensively (and defensively never got any better). It definitely made Nash an MVP though.

JJ became special but he was very shy when he arrived. I remember he played better on the road because he seemed to be self-conscious at home. Certainly JJ would have turned into a great player wherever he landed but I remember D'Antoni made a special effort to nurture his confidence. He certainly helped JJ's development. I think Marion was a 20/10 player in a running system. I certainly don't think D'Antoni did anything to minimize his development. Amare was an offensive machine but I don't think he wanted to put in the effort to play defense then or now. I think D'Antoni's skills helped mold a team playing to their strength when he added Nash. I sometimes think if the Suns could have ever added a competent backup PG for Nash, this Suns team would have still been purring. Jannero Pargo would have been a perfect fit for D'Antoni.
 
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JJ became special but he was very shy when he arrived. I remember he played better on the road because he seemed to be self-conscious at home. Certainly JJ would have turned into a great player wherever he landed but I remember D'Antoni made a special effort to nurture his confidence. He certainly helped JJ's development. I think Marion was a 20/10 player in a running system. I certainly don't think D'Antoni did anything to minimize his development. Amare was an offensive machine but I don't think he wanted to put in the effort to play defense then or now. I think D'Antoni's skills helped mold a team playing to their strength when he added Nash. I sometimes think if the Suns could have ever added a competent backup PG for Nash, this Suns team would have still been purring.

And still giving up the most points in the NBA in the paint (at the PF and Center) positions.....still stalling in the playoffs with no halfcourt game.....still relying on hot shooting with not post up offense....

Just saying.......:D
 

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You overestimate Porter's system (if there is one) and underestimate D'Antoni's system. I've come to believe watching the coaching transition and players that D'Antoni got the most out of his players. Do you really think Nash would have won two MVPs with any other team? Maybe the Suns really were just a roster of just above average players that D'Antoni melded into something very special.

I agree that DA's system and this roster are a match, even Barnes who never had a chance to run in it. Barbosa, Bell, Barnes, Amare, Nash, Diaw are all greyhounds and Porter is using them like pitbulls, IMO. Players are usually chosen for the system or the system adapted to the players. I alsothink this is Kerrs, not porters fault, porter is just implementing Kerrs vision. DA's system was very good at spacing and was the best shooting team int he NBA years ago, all that mostly with guys who cant create their own shot. Funny in San Antonio, POPs loosened up the reins to let parker and manu run more, I remember this discussion. A good coach adapts to his roster talent and somehow gets the players in situations where they perform. Right now Chris Duhon has more assists a game than Nash and a much better asst/TO(3.6 vs 2.2) ratio. Now who is going to say thats because Duhon is a better passer or PG? Sure looks like Duhon is headed for a career year, sounds familiar. Last night the shorthanded suns looked better(less TO's better shooting) until they wheezed and couldnt get a defensive rebound int he 2nd half. The spacing was better and the shots were falling from the perimeter, and amare looked good on offense. Of course they ran out of gas, big time, very ugly. Maybe there is an adjustment coming.

No one here(or across the country) ever thought nash would be MVP, diaw would get MIP or LB would be best 6th man, probably because they never showed that kind of ability before the "system". It might be that they just arent as good as the stats they generated, in which case this team has no chance to be elite anyway.
 
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No one here(or across the country) ever thought nash would be MVP, diaw would get MIP or LB would be best 6th man, probably because they never showed that kind of ability before the "system". It might be that they just arent as good as the stats they generated, in which case this team has no chance to be elite anyway.

This is how I've come to view it. However, D'Antoni could have gotten the Suns to the Finals at least once with a little luck.
 
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