Terry Porter new Suns coach, 3 year contract.

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I don't see any downside to Porter. It seemed to me that the team stopped responding to D'Antoni and there were some trust issues betwen Kerr and D'Antoni that made for a weak working relationship. Porter is clearly Kerr's first choice and has shown the skills to do the job.

Why is this important? Last summer D'Antoni refused to hire a strong assistant coach to replace Ivaroni (apparently Silas was brought up), but D'Antoni inissted on the far weaker Jay Humphries. D'Antoni insisted on having guys he trusted even though not as skilled. Having a cocah who knows and trusts the GM may be more important than people realize.
 

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People worried about Phil Jackson, Pop and Rilely when they grabbed their teams.

TP is potenially a damn good coach. In that realm??? Maybe not, but he's better than Collins or the other "established" coaches you could have hired.

Good shot for a coach that might be great for the suns.

True. Why waste time with retreads?
 

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True. Why waste time with retreads?

It's tempting to hire a "name" coach because half the battle is selling the coach to the fan base. After all the wreckage that Larry Brown leaves in the wake of his stints as coach, he keeps getting hired because he has a reputation of winning now. The Bobcats have not made much progress, so here comes Larry Brown.

At least with Brown, he's coached winners. Other guys get the playoffs and that's it. But at least you know them Skiles gets fired, again, and immediately gets a job with the Bucks. It's hard to say if this is a good idea or not, but he is well known.

Ironically, the Bucks fired Porter because the FO wanted a "name" coach, but guys like Saunders turned them down. The result was they settled for Stotts and played themself to the top pick in the draft.
 

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I love the Porter hire. I just think that this team's window has closed which really sucks for him.
 
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I was intrigued with the guy from San Antonio that is the defensive guru. As we saw in game one of the NBA Finals, defense can beat the Lakers, and we need to beat the Lakers to come out of the Western Conference next year for the Finals. I am not against Porter, he's enough different from D'Antoni's style it may work, but he's also close enough to D'Antoni's style that it could lapse back into more of the same. We just have to wait and see how this works.
 

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I don't see any downside to Porter. It seemed to me that the team stopped responding to D'Antoni and there were some trust issues betwen Kerr and D'Antoni that made for a weak working relationship. Porter is clearly Kerr's first choice and has shown the skills to do the job.

IMO of all the arguments made for the need to replace D'Antoni, you make the best argument. Kerr was micro managing D'Antoni but more importantly, the team seemed to quit responding to his coaching. I like what I know about Porter so I am hoping he and the Suns do well. Also I just did not see any better candidates for the Suns HC looking at it in current time.
 

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I was intrigued with the guy from San Antonio that is the defensive guru. As we saw in game one of the NBA Finals, defense can beat the Lakers, and we need to beat the Lakers to come out of the Western Conference next year for the Finals. I am not against Porter, he's enough different from D'Antoni's style it may work, but he's also close enough to D'Antoni's style that it could lapse back into more of the same. We just have to wait and see how this works.

How in the world did you determine that he's close to D'Antoni's style? I mean, he's been the assistant on the PISTONS for the past 2 years!
 

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IMO of all the arguments made for the need to replace D'Antoni, you make the best argument. Kerr was micro managing D'Antoni but more importantly, the team seemed to quit responding to his coaching. I like what I know about Porter so I am hoping he and the Suns do well. Also I just did not see any better candidates for the Suns HC looking at it in current time.

I know people on this board hate any defense of Steve Kerr, but I think the micro managing Kerr was doing was a direct result of the players not responding to D'Antoni. When Kerr saw that DA's style wasn't working, he pushed for a change. D'Antoni effectively said no (although changing things for Shaq was a positive) and was shown the door.

The players not responding was precisely why Kerr started micro managing.
 

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How in the world did you determine that he's close to D'Antoni's style? I mean, he's been the assistant on the PISTONS for the past 2 years!

I'm guessing from the high scoring Bucs teams he ran before joining the Pistons.
 

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I was intrigued with the guy from San Antonio that is the defensive guru. As we saw in game one of the NBA Finals, defense can beat the Lakers, and we need to beat the Lakers to come out of the Western Conference next year for the Finals. I am not against Porter, he's enough different from D'Antoni's style it may work, but he's also close enough to D'Antoni's style that it could lapse back into more of the same. We just have to wait and see how this works.

I'm not concerned that Porter will too much like D'Antoni. I fear he may be too little based on the way the Pistons played against the Celtics.

Too often people equate great offense with bad defense, but get the causation wrong. If you have a bad defense because of not having anybody who play defense, then not being able to score guarantees and awful season. Running is the only way a bad defensive team can succeeed,

IMHO, claim that having an up tempo offense causes bad defense is a myth. It only causes bad defense when the team includes a lot of guys who play only because of their offensive skills or that pushing the ball can lead to turnovers if they gamle too much. There are a couple of things that D'Antoni emphasized that did hurt their defense, but they are not necessary for an up tempo style.

1. No Fouls: Fouling rather than giving up layups is a common defensive tactic. D'Antoni emphaszied wearing out opponents by running all the time, so letting guys rest by standing at the free throw line was to be avoided.

2. Short Bench: Offense takes less energy than defense, so an up tempo team has less opportunity to rest on offense when the shot is taken in seven seconds or less. To maintain high energy all the way through the game with a short bench means something has got to give. Quicker subsitituions can give more energy but typically less shooting skills.

3. Small Ball: Getting more speed by playing smaller guys is a common feature of the D'Antoni style. He would keep going smaller to get more speed into the lineup. The problem was created when these same smaller players were being pushed around by their bigger opponents or shot over their outstretched hands.

4. Unstructured Early Offense: A standard offense puts players in position to get offensive rebounds and get back in transition. Early threes create long rebounds which generate fast breaks from their opponents.

5. Gambling Defense: D'ANtoni put an emphasis on getting steals to generate fast break opportunities. However, this gambling often left opponents open for easy shots.

To D'Antoni, these elements had strategic value, so it is not clear how much can be done to adjust it without losting the power of his system. That will be the challenge for Porter.
 

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I know people on this board hate any defense of Steve Kerr, but I think the micro managing Kerr was doing was a direct result of the players not responding to D'Antoni. When Kerr saw that DA's style wasn't working, he pushed for a change. D'Antoni effectively said no (although changing things for Shaq was a positive) and was shown the door.

The players not responding was precisely why Kerr started micro managing.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 

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I know people on this board hate any defense of Steve Kerr, but I think the micro managing Kerr was doing was a direct result of the players not responding to D'Antoni. When Kerr saw that DA's style wasn't working, he pushed for a change. D'Antoni effectively said no (although changing things for Shaq was a positive) and was shown the door.

The players not responding was precisely why Kerr started micro managing.

Exactly, on top of that this team is getting older, so his system was wearing down with the players. When Marion was shown the door, his system took a giant step back anyway.

The Porter hire is solid. He's an offensive up-tempo guy who stresses solid fundementals on the D end. Lets hope on top of that we get a + D assistant.
 

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For many Suns fans, Christmas came early this year.

Now it's New Years. :thumbup:

The holiday season will be complete with a big man's Sr. Assistant Coach.

Today's Republic said that Steve Kerr filling that role with Paul Silas might undercut Terry Porter's authority.

Hopefully, as close as they two of them are, it will be a win-win decision.
 

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For many Suns fans, Christmas came early this year.

Now it's New Years. :thumbup:

The holiday season will be complete with a big man's Sr. Assistant Coach.

Today's Republic said that Steve Kerr filling that role with Paul Silas might undercut Terry Porter's authority.

Hopefully, as close as they two of them are, it will be a win-win decision.

I think the reality is many Suns fans will soon come back to earth... much less be celebrating the changes as Christmas and New Years. I for one as a Suns fan hope I'm wrong. However, Scott Bordow writes a good article about it.

Let's be honest: The Suns were not going to get equal value when D'Antoni resigned and became warden of the New York Knicks. We're talking about a coach who went to two Western Conference finals and averaged 57 wins a year in his four-plus seasons with Phoenix.

Maybe one day Porter will have as much success as D'Antoni had. But it won't be next season. And it won't be with this team.

That's the reality he's stepping into.

That's the reality Suns fans should acknowledge.

See link for the whole article:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/118078
 

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I think the reality is many Suns fans will soon come back to earth... much less be celebrating the changes as Christmas and New Years. I for one as a Suns fan hope I'm wrong. However, Scott Bordow writes a good article about it.



See link for the whole article:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/118078

I stated this in another thread. I really felt like whomever became our coach is not the long term coach of this team. I just don't see it. I think this coach is going to be the coach that takes one last stab at a title with this core.

I think the 3 year contract says it all. No coach was going to sign a 2 year deal so they had to offer 3. The Suns are basically going to see if Porter can take this group to title town while Nash is still in uniform.

Mark it down here. Unless this guy does wonders with draft picks over the next couple years....when Shaq and Nash are both retired.....the coaching search will be on again.
 

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So we're going to go 82-0 next season and win the championship by sweeping each series?? Right??

Right!! :fans:
 

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50+ and fade is fun for some fans and thats not a knock on "those" fans either.
Some of us aren't falling for that type of "success" though.
If the SUNS can prove over the course of an 82 game season that they can get stops on the defensive end and execute their offense in crunch time then i give them a better chance at doing something important when the games start to count.
D'Antoni NEVER gave me that confidence during a playoff series and i think it's safe to say now that Kerr wasn't falling for the 50+ and fade either. Was D'Antoni micro-managed last year?...No doubt.
IMO he was also forced to shake it up with the Shaq trade. You will never convince me that Mikey D. was in favor of that decision....(just re-watch the press conference and it's clear as day). It was Kerr's answer to D'Antoni's reluctance to "change." In hindsight i'm not impressed with Sarver/Kerr mortgaging our future in an attempt to strong arm D'Antoni by gambling on an old Shaq on the downslide, but it is what it is.
D'Antoni's days were numbered as soon as Shaq stepped off the plane at Sky Harbor.

Welcome, Terry Porter. You've got a tough regular season act to follow....but if you can just compete with the other Western Conference coaches over the course of a 7 game playoff series without looking foolish you've given me much hope going forward.
 

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Smart choice by the Suns. Porter is a good choice and will be a good coach for the Suns. I have no doubt at all he'll be a better coach then D'Antoni. Congrats Suns Fans!
 

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Bordow speaks for me on this. I have no opinion on Terry Porter and I hope he succeeds. The hire is a good one from my perspective. Big upside, little downside.

My opinion is D'Antoni overachieved with this team, maximizing their capabilities.

Steve Nash, never good on defense, has become an ever-present liability to any defensive scheme whenever he's on the court. Porter cannot fix that.

Shaq is an offensive liability, Porter can't fix that free throw shooting mess.

And Amare Stoudemire may actually be uncoachable. If not, Porter can prove himself and improve the team by reaching Amare and turning him into a real NBA all-around professional. Big, big job.

Amare, Boris, Raja Bell, Tucker, Barbosa, Strawberry and Giricek are the current players Terry Porter might be able to mold and improve into making us a better team, I think.

The rest are throwaways. Grant Hill is done and Skinner has no long term value.

It's not all gloom but it won't be easy. Terry Porter has my support. The big question is whether Sarver will gut him in critical areas as he gutted D'Antoni.

Job1 is finding a point guard asap.
 
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Hill's injury was a hamstring type injury, which is not limited to aging players. From all indicatieons he's going to come back at full strength. Overall he had a good season,

He played 70 games and 2322 minutes (31.7 minutes), averaged 13.1 ppg, 50.3% shooting, 86.7% from the line, 5.0 rpg, and 2.9 assists per game. Hill missed 12 games in the regular season, but otherwise his stats were remarkably similar to Prince.

Tayshaun Prince
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Position: F
Height: 6-9 Weight: 215
College: Kentucky
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 13.2
RPG 4.9
APG 3.3
SPG 0.5
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.448
FT% 0.768
3P% 0.363
MPG 32.9

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Position: F-G
Height: 6-8 Weight: 225
College: Duke
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 13.1
RPG 5.0
APG 2.9
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.8
FG% 0.503
FT% 0.867
3P% 0.317
MPG 31.7


Part of the reason people thinkk that Hill is about ready to retire is that he's 36. However, when it comes to age, years are generally less important than number of games played. By that standard, Kobe with 866 games and 31,571 minutes has more milage than Hill at 705 games and 25,676 minutes.

As we noted last summer, Hill's injury problem early in the decade had to do with his ankles. Since he came back in 2004-05, he's had only one year with below 2000 minutes and that injury was not ankle related.

2004-05 67 games and 2338 minutes
2005-06 21 games and 613 minutes
2006-07 65 games and 2009 minutes
2007-08 70 games and 2222 mintues

We don't know if he will be as effective years down the road, but that's true with every player. Right now this panci over Hill's age seems unwarrented.

That being said, I like the idea of looking for a serious backup who can play defense and is a better three point shooter.
 

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Very nice glad we got Porter lets hope we get Silas as a assistant coach to help amare on defense and then we will be set. So is Porter a slow down type offense type guy or a up tempo coach?
 

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