Texas A&M to the SEC. 3 more to follow?

Mathew81

Whatever
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Posts
1,432
Reaction score
24
Location
Chandler
A&M to the SEC.
Texas A&M intends to move from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference, where they hope to begin play in 2012, school officials have said.

After 15 years in the Big 12, Texas A&M has been considering the switch for the second time in a year.
Story also says the SEC are now going after Mizzou, Florida State and Clemson.

I really don't like the idea of 16 team conferences. Teams would only play 1 or 2 games against the other division. 12 is big enough.
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
38,563
Reaction score
25,562
If three more teams do go the SEC then i think it will be Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Florida State.
 

Folster

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Posts
16,822
Reaction score
7,315
If three more teams do go the SEC then i think it will be Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Florida State.

Oklahoma, OK State, and Texas Tech will all follow Texas. Texas will likely come to the PAC 12 unless they are serious about going football independent which would be a disaster for the rest of their athletic programs.

A&M leaving likely spells the end of the Big 12. Imagine a Pac 16 of the following.

Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State

UCLA
USC
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Cal
Stanford

If Texas goes indy, then TCU or Baylor could be added.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Texas starts the Longhorn Conference:

Texas
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston
SMU
Tulane
UNLV
San Diego State
Cal Fullerton
Nevada Reno
Southern Mississippi
Central Florida

Just think: Road trips to New Orleans, Las Vegas, San Diego, LA, Reno/Tahoe, Biloxi, and Orlando.

A fans dream.
 

Tyler

Registered
Joined
Sep 23, 2009
Posts
2,461
Reaction score
1
Didnt the SEC say this wasnt going to happen? I could be wrong but I swear I read that somewhere.
 
OP
OP
Mathew81

Mathew81

Whatever
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Posts
1,432
Reaction score
24
Location
Chandler
Didnt the SEC say this wasnt going to happen? I could be wrong but I swear I read that somewhere.
They said they haven't extended an invite to A&M after this story came out. That doesn't mean they won't in the future. I've read that the SEC doesn't send formal invites to schools that are still affiliated with another conference. So A&M would have to officially leave the Big 12 (10) before the SEC invites them.
 

Folster

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Posts
16,822
Reaction score
7,315
The SEC won't ignore the Texas market for long and risk losing it to the PAC 12. It would be bad form to do it before the start of the season. I imagine we'll see some movement after the season.

It's really strange because the Big 12 was and is a strong athletic conference with powerhouses in Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska and other cyclical programs like Missouri, A&M, OK State, and Colorado. It seems that Texas' arrogance and special treatment will be the demise of the conference now that A&M wants to follow Nebraska and Colorado out the door.
 

Southpaw

Provocateur aka Wallyburger
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
39,818
Reaction score
3,410
Location
The urban swamp
The dissolution of the Big 12 (10) or dilution of the Big 12 would mess with the BCS system.
 

conraddobler

I want my 2$
Joined
Sep 1, 2002
Posts
20,052
Reaction score
237
I'm probably one of the very few that don't think the Big 12, er 11, er 10 ok 9 is going to dissolve.

It could, it's a mess right now, just fubar.

I wish they'd all get their heads out and stop this nonsense, if we ever do get super conferences people won't like it as well, there are really only a few football powers that stand on their own, the rest of college football is made up of regional rivalries and this is going to gut that for a lot of people.
 

Folster

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Posts
16,822
Reaction score
7,315
I'm probably one of the very few that don't think the Big 12, er 11, er 10 ok 9 is going to dissolve.

It could, it's a mess right now, just fubar.

I wish they'd all get their heads out and stop this nonsense, if we ever do get super conferences people won't like it as well, there are really only a few football powers that stand on their own, the rest of college football is made up of regional rivalries and this is going to gut that for a lot of people.

I disagree, I think the Big 12 is dunzo. There is too much animosity toward Texas and their deal. The conference hinges on Oklahoma and if they bolt Texas will have no choice but to follow and adopt the equitable PAC 12/16 television model. From what I've read, Texas wants Oklahoma to make the first move so they will have clean hands.

The talk of Texas becoming and independent is not realistic as their other sports will suffer greatly, and they'll have trouble putting together a respectable schedule in football. Not to mention, the impending superconferences will squash the independents as eventually the road to the BCS will be won through the conference championships. Notre Dame will be forced to join to a conference as well... eventually.
 

Lorenzo

Registered User
Joined
Feb 3, 2007
Posts
10,373
Reaction score
5,275
Location
Vegas
I disagree, I think the Big 12 is dunzo. There is too much animosity toward Texas and their deal. The conference hinges on Oklahoma and if they bolt Texas will have no choice but to follow and adopt the equitable PAC 12/16 television model. From what I've read, Texas wants Oklahoma to make the first move so they will have clean hands.

The talk of Texas becoming and independent is not realistic as their other sports will suffer greatly, and they'll have trouble putting together a respectable schedule in football. Not to mention, the impending superconferences will squash the independents as eventually the road to the BCS will be won through the conference championships. Notre Dame will be forced to join to a conference as well... eventually.
who gives a crap if people are jealous of texas. the fact is, like notre dame, the demand for their product is nationwide. nobody cares about oklahoma and texas a and m outside of their areas of operation. the sooner they figure that out...well who cares. if they walk away from texas they are putting a gun in their own throats and yes texas will have the last laugh. all the longhorns have to do is sit back and wait because they are going to make money and keep the best football players in the state no matter what happens.

If you ask me it makes more sense for the teams in the big 12 to stay and let texas do what they do. everyone knows that texas and oklahoma are the only two powerhouses in that conference. nebraska walked because of it. now a and m is walking because of it too. they are using longhorn network as a scape goat for moving and it is comical if you ask me.

if oklahoma goes to the pac 10 without the horns they are just hurting their own program in football for recruiting their best players that always come from texas. it makes sense for the big 12 to recruit teams if you ask me. notre dame is one I would go after...but not likely to happen because they run their own show and don't stress about money or who they will play.

If texas goes independent I don't think it will hurt them. they may be one of only two or three nationwide programs that can dominate in just about every sport because of their location and brand that is in tact. most of their players come from in state. many if not all all of the other major programs need other states and locations to recruit. texas doesn't and every now and then a big player from another state will come(jordan hicks of ohio, kevin durant of maryland etc). other programs will line up to play them as well. why would any team in the nation turn down an opportunity to play a game with texas? it only helps them in recruiting and money. they won't lose rivals unless they want to. oklahoma will still want to play them because of the demand in their state from their fans and for recruiting....bob stoops knows it. the aggies are still going to want to play them. and if the notre dame games go well in the future you could see more of that matchup as well. teams like baylor, tcu, arkansas, rice, texas tech, will always want to play texas because of the history and rivarlies that go back many decades. texas is a gold mine and the other teams are just having a hard time dealing with it.
 
Last edited:

Lorenzo

Registered User
Joined
Feb 3, 2007
Posts
10,373
Reaction score
5,275
Location
Vegas
The SEC won't ignore the Texas market for long and risk losing it to the PAC 12. It would be bad form to do it before the start of the season. I imagine we'll see some movement after the season.

It's really strange because the Big 12 was and is a strong athletic conference with powerhouses in Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska and other cyclical programs like Missouri, A&M, OK State, and Colorado. It seems that Texas' arrogance and special treatment will be the demise of the conference now that A&M wants to follow Nebraska and Colorado out the door.
the problem is that a lot of big 12 teams, especially the big 12 south, need the state of texas for recruiting in all sports. a and m already has the state of texas in their belt so a move doesn't really affect their recruiting. texas pretty much has first dibs across the state so a move doesn't matter. okie state, oklahoma need the state of texas(especially the DFW market which is a football/basketball/baseball gold-mine) for the survival of all of their programs. I would be shocked to see them move to another conference without the other texas teams or at least keeping the rivalry games in tact with the longhorns. they thrive off of the annual visits to texas.
 

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,804
Location
South Scottsdale
Okie State currently has as many Men's BB players from the LA area (2) as the DFW area.

Only one other Texan on the roster, from Amarillo, which is Texas Tech area...

The football roster is heavy with Texas players, but do you really think that would change much? Are players OSU is getting out of Texas suddenly going to go to Rice or SMU?
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
38,563
Reaction score
25,562
i don't agree with your take on recruiting lorenzo. Oklahoma and A&M have held up very well at TIMES in recruiting in Texas and the move to a greater national stage won't hurt them in Texas. It will help them. They are going to be able to dangle games against USC, UCLA, Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc. as lures. A chance to prove you're the best against the best, under the brightest lights. Their recruiting pitch is easier to make now.

I can see why Texas would be upset with this blowing up. It was going to be as sweet a setup to get a berth in the BCS as it could've possibly been for any top tier program.
 
Last edited:

Folster

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Posts
16,822
Reaction score
7,315
who gives a crap if people are jealous of texas. the fact is, like notre dame, the demand for their product is nationwide. nobody cares about oklahoma and texas a and m outside of their areas of operation. the sooner they figure that out...well who cares. if they walk away from texas they are putting a gun in their own throats and yes texas will have the last laugh. all the longhorns have to do is sit back and wait because they are going to make money and keep the best football players in the state no matter what happens.

If you ask me it makes more sense for the teams in the big 12 to stay and let texas do what they do. everyone knows that texas and oklahoma are the only two powerhouses in that conference. nebraska walked because of it. now a and m is walking because of it too. they are using longhorn network as a scape goat for moving and it is comical if you ask me.

if oklahoma goes to the pac 10 without the horns they are just hurting their own program in football for recruiting their best players that always come from texas. it makes sense for the big 12 to recruit teams if you ask me. notre dame is one I would go after...but not likely to happen because they run their own show and don't stress about money or who they will play.

If texas goes independent I don't think it will hurt them. they may be one of only two or three nationwide programs that can dominate in just about every sport because of their location and brand that is in tact. most of their players come from in state. many if not all all of the other major programs need other states and locations to recruit. texas doesn't and every now and then a big player from another state will come(jordan hicks of ohio, kevin durant of maryland etc). other programs will line up to play them as well. why would any team in the nation turn down an opportunity to play a game with texas? it only helps them in recruiting and money. they won't lose rivals unless they want to. oklahoma will still want to play them because of the demand in their state from their fans and for recruiting....bob stoops knows it. the aggies are still going to want to play them. and if the notre dame games go well in the future you could see more of that matchup as well. teams like baylor, tcu, arkansas, rice, texas tech, will always want to play texas because of the history and rivarlies that go back many decades. texas is a gold mine and the other teams are just having a hard time dealing with it.

I can tell you are a bit biased on the subject, but Texas won't do as well as you think as an independent. Without Oklahoma, OK State, A&M, and Texas Tech on the schedule (which will be threatened if they don't come along), Texas will be playing the likes of Houston, SMU, and Baylor. Nobody will be watching the Longhorn network outside of Texas with a second rate schedule like that. As I stated earlier, Texas would have to find a conference for it's other athletic programs to play in and there is no major conference that will take them without Texas football. If you're alright with other Texas sports playing in a conference like the WAC or Mountain West (Big East best case scenario) then have fun.
 

conraddobler

I want my 2$
Joined
Sep 1, 2002
Posts
20,052
Reaction score
237
I can tell you are a bit biased on the subject, but Texas won't do as well as you think as an independent. Without Oklahoma, OK State, A&M, and Texas Tech on the schedule (which will be threatened if they don't come along), Texas will be playing the likes of Houston, SMU, and Baylor. Nobody will be watching the Longhorn network outside of Texas with a second rate schedule like that. As I stated earlier, Texas would have to find a conference for it's other athletic programs to play in and there is no major conference that will take them without Texas football. If you're alright with other Texas sports playing in a conference like the WAC or Mountain West (Big East best case scenario) then have fun.


That's the standard Texas line on everything, don't mess with Texas, well I wish our school had enough balls to stick up for themselves but that remains to be seen.
 
Last edited:

Gaddabout

Plucky Comic Relief
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2004
Posts
16,043
Reaction score
11
Location
Gilbert
Because the SEC mandated A&M get waivers from every Big 12 school, Baylor and Iowa State now holding all the cards. No one can go anywhere until Baylor and ISU release their rights to tens of millions of dollars. The SEC won't get anywhere near anyone until the situation is resolved.
 

Renz

An Army of One
Joined
May 10, 2003
Posts
13,078
Reaction score
2
Location
lat: 35.231 lon: -111.550
Who gives a crap if people are jealous of Texas? The fact is, like Notre Dame, the demand for their product is nationwide.

You need to take off the burnt orange-colored glasses. Texas is nationwide like Notre Dame (& ZZ Top)? Not a chance. If that were true then Alabama, LSU or Oklahoma is nationwide.

If Texas was Notre Dame then they would have taken their Longhorn Network and hit the road already. They wouldn't be talking to the PAC-12 or SEC. Texas knows they need a conference to remain competetive.
 

Folster

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Posts
16,822
Reaction score
7,315
Stoops is already forcing Texas' hand by stating that continuing Red River Rivalry not imperative:
"I don't think it's necessary to keep the OU-Texas game if we do move out of a conference with Texas," Stoops said. "I know no one wants to hear that, but things change. If it changes, you've got to change with it. I love the game, but if it doesn't work out, we will find other places to play and get excited about."
 

Gaddabout

Plucky Comic Relief
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2004
Posts
16,043
Reaction score
11
Location
Gilbert
BTW, the Baylor president is Ken Starr. Just in case you wondered if they'd have the stomach to tie everyone up in litigation.
 

Skratchy_Seal

Registered
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 27, 2002
Posts
495
Reaction score
164
Location
San Diego, CA
Texas and the Longhorn Network would fail if they go indy. What school would want to play Texas if fans of any prospective opposing program were not able to watch the game on TV?? Shoot, from my understanding, not very many people in Texas even have the LHN.

...and the point about OU not being able to recruit in Texas if they bolt...they've ALWAYS recruited well in Texas, especially North Texas, dating back to the days when they were in the Big 8 and Texas was in the SWC.

OU doesn't need UT, as evidenced by Big 12 schools holding them hostage to allow aTm to leave. This tactic smells like UT all over it.

http://www.baylor.edu/nation/texasfootball.htm
 

Gaddabout

Plucky Comic Relief
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2004
Posts
16,043
Reaction score
11
Location
Gilbert
Ha ha!

You must be registered for see images attach
 

Latest posts

Members online

Forum statistics

Threads
553,681
Posts
5,410,696
Members
6,319
Latest member
route66
Top