Texas A&M to the SEC. 3 more to follow?

[Dback Jon]

Ha ha!

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[Lorenzo]

I can tell you are a bit biased on the subject, but Texas won't do as well as you think as an independent. Without Oklahoma, OK State, A&M, and Texas Tech on the schedule (which will be threatened if they don't come along), Texas will be playing the likes of Houston, SMU, and Baylor. Nobody will be watching the Longhorn network outside of Texas with a second rate schedule like that. As I stated earlier, Texas would have to find a conference for it's other athletic programs to play in and there is no major conference that will take them without Texas football. If you're alright with other Texas sports playing in a conference like the WAC or Mountain West (Big East best case scenario) then have fun.

but that's not what I'm saying. of corse texas wants big games and they will always have them no matter where they are at. they are the 2nd most winning program of all time behind michigan. they have a lot of history and rivals that people around the country don't realize.

what I'm saying is that those other schools like OU/OKSU, need texas for recruiting. like it or not there ability to compete relies on texas players and playing UT is a major part of it.

 

[Lorenzo]

You need to take off the burnt orange-colored glasses. Texas is nationwide like Notre Dame (& ZZ Top)? Not a chance. If that were true then Alabama, LSU or Oklahoma is nationwide.

If Texas was Notre Dame then they would have taken their Longhorn Network and hit the road already. They wouldn't be talking to the PAC-12 or SEC. Texas knows they need a conference to remain competetive.

I think my glasses are on straight. I live in ohio state country. I see more longhorn gear here than I see notre dame or any of those other schools. texas is nationwide. hell I see at least one texas logo a day it seems like. OU, bama, LSU lol. they can't compete. they may have the history, but the popularity? no. texas has a lot of tshirt fans. people on espn are already predicting the longhorns to be independent.

 

[Lorenzo]

Stoops is already forcing Texas' hand by stating that continuing Red River Rivalry not imperative:

then he goes on to say that they need to play in dallas because of recruiting. he's full of it. OU needs that game and their fans would probably have him fired if he took that away from that state. they live and die by that game. it would be a huge loss for recruiting if they walk away from that game. if you ask me they have a lot more to lose by walking away from that than texas does. the fact that he is saying that now just proves that he is trying to raise their stock by talking.

 

[Lorenzo]

Texas and the Longhorn Network would fail if they go indy. What school would want to play Texas if fans of any prospective opposing program were not able to watch the game on TV?? Shoot, from my understanding, not very many people in Texas even have the LHN.

...and the point about OU not being able to recruit in Texas if they bolt...they've ALWAYS recruited well in Texas, especially North Texas, dating back to the days when they were in the Big 8 and Texas was in the SWC.

OU doesn't need UT, as evidenced by Big 12 schools holding them hostage to allow aTm to leave. This tactic smells like UT all over it.

http://www.baylor.edu/nation/texasfootball.htm

OU has played UT in dallas for how many years in a row now? norman is a little closer to dallas than austin is. that game is huge for the city of dallas and for recruiting for both schools. they can leave the conference without texas, but walking from that game is highly unlikely. again(forget texas for a min) the state of oklahoma will not allow that to happen. that game is like a superbowl for them. and for UT as well.

One thing that people don't realize is that the longhorn network is not the network that texas will play all their games on. Texas typically plays their first game on PPV. They have been trying to get their own network for several years, but it is not only for their games. They have deals with the big 12 to be covered by other channels obviously. Other schools in the big 12 are mad because the longhorn logo is getting more advertisement from the network and think that it is unfair from a competitive standpoint. They don't want high school football aired on the channel. again texas has a large pocketbook and generates a lot of revenue....more than most teams. I think regardless of what happens they will be ok and likely choose where they want to be. it makes more sense for them to join a conference, but they generate enough revenue on their own to consider independence. yes it may hurt other sports, but they typically excel in every sport anyway. if there is a university that can excel competively as an independent why not texas? Even if they have weak games on their schedule. it is highly likely that they can get one good non conference opponent from somewhere else, and they will still have rivalry games with OU and Texas A&M. Regardless of all of the posturing you hear in the media, i don't see those games going completely off the schedule. if anything dates would be the only difference.

I don't see texas going independent. and it makes more sense for them to be in a conference where revenue is shared. But they need to sit back and make the best move for them. they have the ability to let all the other teams decide first and then they can make their move. they don't necessarily have to be in a BCS conference to be successful. they already have everything.

 

[Lorenzo]

Okie State currently has as many Men's BB players from the LA area (2) as the DFW area.

Only one other Texan on the roster, from Amarillo, which is Texas Tech area...

The football roster is heavy with Texas players, but do you really think that would change much? Are players OSU is getting out of Texas suddenly going to go to Rice or SMU?

not necessarily, but they might go to other schools. if the texas schools are split up it will come down to television coverage. OKSU, OU, UT, TTU, A&M are always on AIR television in texas. the big national games are always on cable, but not everyone has cable tv and can watch every game. a lot of people only see the games shown in their region. that's where this can get tricky. if the games go away it will affect recruiting. this is all just talk though.

Honestly I don't really see much changing as you say. the schools are still going to play each other in some way shape or form and there will still be about equal television coverage. at the end of the day winning will tell the story. if the longhorns win they will continue to get the best texas players to go there. the other schools will get the rest. when a program starts to struggle to win or contend, that's when they start to struggle with recruiting. For A&M moving to the SEC that's going to be a risk that they will deal with. if they struggle they might not do as well in recruiting.

 

[Lorenzo]

i don't agree with your take on recruiting lorenzo. Oklahoma and A&M have held up very well at TIMES in recruiting in Texas and the move to a greater national stage won't hurt them in Texas. It will help them. They are going to be able to dangle games against USC, UCLA, Alabama, LSU, Florida, etc. as lures. A chance to prove you're the best against the best, under the brightest lights. Their recruiting pitch is easier to make now.

I can see why Texas would be upset with this blowing up. It was going to be as sweet a setup to get a berth in the BCS as it could've possibly been for any top tier program.

OU has always held well with recruiting in texas. and it has everything to do with tradition and region. they have a winning tradition compared to most other national programs. they are close in proximity to major texas markets and high school programs. every year they play games in the state of texas and are always on TV there. the red river rivalry is as big of a rivalry as you will find in any sport. it may not have the national allure of some of the others, but if you go to dallas during this game you would think it was the superbowl. that's no joke. When he played for the cowboys OSU heisman alum eddie george experienced it and said it was a crazier atmosphere than OSU/Michigan. his words.

Honestly I agree with you. and I know i'm honking my texas longhorn horn on here so I appreciate you guys putting up with me.

I feel that if the rivarly (OU/UT, UT A&M, ETC) games remain in place, regardless of who goes where, nothing for the most part is going to change so long as the winning continues. the only change for the bad will happen if a school starts to struggle to win. or if the other schools go away from the state of texas completely it could hurt their recruiting....even bob stoops said it in his recent interview speaking particularly about north texas. scenario: if the big texas schools join the SEC and Oklahoma schools join the PAC 10. more texas recruits are going to go to SEC schools compared to pac 10 schools. that type of scenario could be damaging to OU/OKSU. of corse you could make all kinds of scenarios right now because there is so much speculation.

I don't want to see texas independent. I want them in a conference because it is what will be best for all sports not just football....so I agree with you all there

 

[Gaddabout]

I think my glasses are on straight. I live in ohio state country. I see more longhorn gear here than I see notre dame or any of those other schools. texas is nationwide. hell I see at least one texas logo a day it seems like. OU, bama, LSU lol. they can't compete. they may have the history, but the popularity? no. texas has a lot of tshirt fans. people on espn are already predicting the longhorns to be independent.

It's been about 8 years, but a broadcasting association polled radio and TV about the most desirable properties in college football. Based on worldwide demand, the rankings went like this:

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Notre Dame
4. Texas
5. Army

Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma and USC were all secondary to those top 5.

 

[Lorenzo]

It's been about 8 years, but a broadcasting association polled radio and TV about the most desirable properties in college football. Based on worldwide demand, the rankings went like this:

1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Notre Dame
4. Texas
5. Army

Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma and USC were all secondary to those top 5.

that's good company. I'm surprised Ohio State is not on there. in the last 10 years(mack brown era) texas has re-emerged to the top of the landscape where they used to be every year. they had a down period for many years and A&M had some good years in those times.

 

[Folster]

If the PAC 16 comes to fruition I saw this division proposal that should make everyone happy.

Oregon
Washington
USC
Stanford
Texas Tech
OK State
Arizona
Colorado

Oregon State
Washington State
UCLA
Cal
Texas
Oklahoma
ASU
Utah

In addition to the division schedule, a natural rivalry game would be included so every school can face their in-state/in-town rival. That's 8 games, so I guess a rotating non division game could be added to get 9. With a zipper format like this everyone wins with being able to play in Texas and California for recruiting and keep their natural rivalries. Travel would not be ideal, but it would only be for football.

 

[Southpaw]

Lost in all of this football related realignment is the shake up it will create with basketball programs. Seems as if the mid conferences will suffer from the new super conferences.

 

[Folster]

Where was Baylor's Texas loyalty when they along with with the other Texas big boys jumped ship to the Big XII and left Rice, SMU, TCU, and Houston in the dust of the SWC?

 

[Dback Jon]

Where was Baylor's Texas loyalty when they along with with the other Texas big boys jumped ship to the Big XII and left Rice, SMU, TCU, and Houston in the dust of the SWC?

Great point

 

[Gaddabout]

Seen in Dallas, near Baylor campus (allegedly)

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[Lorenzo]

Great point

baylor is just doing the same thing that a and m and all the others are doing. they are thinking about themselves. so the aggie fans that are whining need to realize that baylor is only doing what the aggies themselves are doing. making a business decision that helps their program. the problem here is that everyone is being impulsive and they aren't working together. now they are blaming texas for the longhorn network, but the big 12 from day one did not share revenue. they can't be mad at texas because texas generates the most revenue in a system that is what it is.

 

[Lorenzo]

Lost in all of this football related realignment is the shake up it will create with basketball programs. Seems as if the mid conferences will suffer from the new super conferences.

maybe, but the powerhouse basketball programs will be fine so long as they keep winning.

for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. the teams that leave the big 12 in favor of another conference may find that the grass isn't greener on the other side. the aggies might be the worst or one of the worst teams in the SEC now. it's not like they were the 3rd even 4th best in a top heavy big 12 over the last decade. the aggies went from having 2 teams to climb for a national title to like 6 overnight. the SEC should have told him they need to win a bowl game before they can join lol.

 

[Lorenzo]

If the PAC 16 comes to fruition I saw this division proposal that should make everyone happy.

Oregon
Washington
USC
Stanford
Texas Tech
OK State
Arizona
Colorado

Oregon State
Washington State
UCLA
Cal
Texas
Oklahoma
ASU
Utah

In addition to the division schedule, a natural rivalry game would be included so every school can face their in-state/in-town rival. That's 8 games, so I guess a rotating non division game could be added to get 9. With a zipper format like this everyone wins with being able to play in Texas and California for recruiting and keep their natural rivalries. Travel would not be ideal, but it would only be for football.

if texas joins the pac 10 that would be great.

 

[Renz]

If the PAC 16 comes to fruition I saw this division proposal that should make everyone happy.

Oregon
Washington
USC
Stanford
Texas Tech
OK State
Arizona
Colorado

Oregon State
Washington State
UCLA
Cal
Texas
Oklahoma
ASU
Utah

In addition to the division schedule, a natural rivalry game would be included so every school can face their in-state/in-town rival. That's 8 games, so I guess a rotating non division game could be added to get 9. With a zipper format like this everyone wins with being able to play in Texas and California for recruiting and keep their natural rivalries. Travel would not be ideal, but it would only be for football.

This "zipper" model was floated before the PAC-12 was formed and pretty much dismissed by Scott and the university presidents/ADs.

 

[Folster]

This "zipper" model was floated before the PAC-12 was formed and pretty much dismissed by Scott and the university presidents/ADs.

I know, but it would make much more sense in a PAC 16, because the TX and OK schools and even CU want games in CA and everyone wants games in Texas. A straight East/West split would limit that to every few years if at all.

 

[Duckjake]

Nebraska and OU played the Friday after Thanksgiving for a jillion years. When the Big XII was formed that game went away. Eventually Nebraska went away.

Nobody cared.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This "zipper" model was floated before the PAC-12 was formed and pretty much dismissed by Scott and the university presidents/ADs.

You're right. Nobody wants to go to the zipper model, travel is a nightmare especially in the non-revenues. People bring up the pod but I think that is only likely if there is a playoff system in place somewhere down the road and this hypothetical Pac-16 and others would conduct their own four team "playoffs" before the real thing.

Picture that: 16 pod winners in the four super-conferences battle it out then you are left with four teams left for the rumored plus one playoff system. Winner and runner up only play a total of 16 games and the three deciding games are rotated between New Orleans (Sugar), Miami (Orange Bowl), and LA (Rose Bowl). Fiesta gets dumped for past indiscretions and not having a desirable stadium location. There is your playoff without really considering it a playoff. Everyone who doesn't make the final four gets dispersed to whatever bowls remain (an institution I can't see remaining if they do a playoff).

 

[Folster]

There's rumors of Texas exploring options in the ACC. Texas in the ACC seems it bit odd, but the ACC is looking to stay relevant in the face of realignment and fears of poaching from the SEC. Adding Texas would solidify their conference. For Texas, the ACC would likely allow them to keep the Longhorn Network, and allow Texas to remain the big boy on the block, something that wouldn't be true in a move to the Big 10 or SEC.

Something to ponder for the PAC 12-16. If Ok and OK State apply to the PAC 12 and Texas leaves for the ACC or independence, what other two schools would be targets? KU, K State? If Texas abandons Texas Tech, could Tech and another Texas school like TCU or Baylor be invited? Does Larry Scott think outside the box and add a school like Boise State, Nevada, BYU, or New Mexico?

If we're left with a PAC 14 with two 7 team divisions, I'd assume that the OK schools will be placed in the South Division while either Utah or Colorado would head North.

 

[Duckjake]

There's rumors of Texas exploring options in the ACC. Texas in the ACC seems it bit odd, but the ACC is looking to stay relevant in the face of realignment and fears of poaching from the SEC. Adding Texas would solidify their conference. For Texas, the ACC would likely allow them to keep the Longhorn Network, and allow Texas to remain the big boy on the block, something that wouldn't be true in a move to the Big 10 or SEC.

Something to ponder for the PAC 12-16. If Ok and OK State apply to the PAC 12 and Texas leaves for the ACC or independence, what other two schools would be targets? KU, K State? If Texas abandons Texas Tech, could Tech and another Texas school like TCU or Baylor be invited? Does Larry Scott think outside the box and add a school like Boise State, Nevada, BYU, or New Mexico?

If we're left with a PAC 14 with two 7 team divisions, I'd assume that the OK schools will be placed in the South Division while either Utah or Colorado would head North.

Again the best deal for Texas is to form their own Conference. I re thought my selections and came up with a 12 team league.

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Tulane
Central Florida
Florida Atlantic

UNLV
San Diego State
New Mexico
Hawaii (football only)
Arizona State
Arizona

Even better road trips and better balance and trips to Florida, Cal and Texas help with recruiting.

 

[Folster]

Again the best deal for Texas is to form their own Conference. I re thought my selections and came up with a 12 team league.

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Tulane
Central Florida
Florida Atlantic

UNLV
San Diego State
New Mexico
Hawaii (football only)
Arizona State
Arizona

Even better road trips and better balance and trips to Florida, Cal and Texas help with recruiting.

Is that conference supposed to be a joke? Why would ASU and UofA leave the prestigious and stable PAC 12 for the WAC + Texas? They'd lose a ton of money and be subject to a Texas sized ego.

 

[Duckjake]

Is that conference supposed to be a joke? Why would ASU and UofA leave the prestigious and stable PAC 12 for the WAC + Texas? They'd lose a ton of money and be subject to a Texas sized ego.

Lose money?!?!?

They'd make untold extra millions playing in a conference with Texas.

ASU and Arizona almost never win in the PAC now-they have what? 3 BCS bowls between them in 25 years- so why not go to a conference that has these road games: New Orleans, Las Vegas, Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, San Diego,Albuquerque, and Austin. A fans dream.

Yes it is tongue in cheek based soley on the locations of the schools. I just threw in ASU and Arizona because this is an Arizona sports fans board and they fit in my Expedia.com Conference Western Division.