Text/rumor Matt Moore

[Mainstreet]

Just saying, I'm down with the Dawg's credibility on this one.

 

[desertdawg]

It never even crossed my mind that you'd made this up, sorry it came across that way to you. I'm also not trying to impugn your source but I could easily see someone making this up and passing it off as rumor. It's logical enough that it could actually happen and if it doesn't it's easy to say the deal fell apart in the details.

Steve

Akuna matada. I went over and over it last night, this cat isn't a jokey type fiction writing character. So after that, I wondered if he was just messing with me. I did take his money on a bet earlier this year (he bet against the Cards ), but the bet was only for 20 bones which is my house limit.

First text last night at 6:55
You guys got Matt Moore

Than I responded with:
When?

Not announced yet, but it's a done deal

Wow!! Your awesome bro

Then I asked him if he's sure, if it is a trade, yada yada yada.

 

[az jam]

What if Kolb isn't only done for the year, but done for Arizona permanently? At this point, it's difficult to say that the Cards would pick up his $9 million salary in 2013 based on his on-field performances. This February, we could be in the position of looking at Skelton and Lindley being the primary starting options going into the draft, and Kolb having all the leverage in a contract renegotiation. I don't think that's acceptable.

I think there is also a $3 million bonus due in March plus the $9 Million. Cards aren't going to give that much money to an injury prone qb. Maybe they will keep him if he renegotiates his contract with a significant pay cut.
Bottom line I think he could be done in Arizona.

 

[Mulli]

I will take that avatar wager, dessertdog.

 

[desertdawg]

I will take that avatar wager, dessertdog.

I only got one avatar, Shane has dibbs if this goes flopmode. I can't do it vato.

 

[Mulli]

I only got one avatar, Shane has dibbs if this goes flopmode. I can't do it vato.

That is ok. All good.

 

[kerouac9]

I think there is also a $3 million bonus due in March plus the $9 Million. Cards aren't going to give that much money to an injury prone qb. Maybe they will keep him if he renegotiates his contract with a significant pay cut.
Bottom line I think he could be done in Arizona.

Yeah... the thing with his contract is that even if he takes a pay cut, you're just prolonging the pain from whenever you cut him. It's really hard. I guess he could take a BIG pay cut down to $2 million + the $2 million roster bonus he gets this season...

$9 million salary and $14 million cap number in 2013. That's just not something that's going to happen, IMO. If we cut him after his year before that bonus, we'll have $6 million in dead money from the signing bonus and $5.6 million in dead money from his 2012 roster bonus. Joe could step in and say different, but I think you could still designate him a June 1 cut and spread that $11.6 million across the 2013 and 2014 caps.

The problem is, if you cut Kolb, then you're entering the 2013 draft/free agency period with Skelton on a 2nd round (I'm guessing) RFA tender and Lindley as your only two guys under contract. Talk about a desperate scenario.

The last time the Cards were that desperate, they gave up a former Pro Bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick to give a guy with 7 career starts a $60 million contract.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

The last time the Cards were that desperate, they gave up a former Pro Bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick to give a guy with 7 career starts a $60 million contract.

Ouch. QB's are a high risk item in the NFL when it comes to spending money, just wish we were better at selecting them.

 

[WildBB]

Yeah... the thing with his contract is that even if he takes a pay cut, you're just prolonging the pain from whenever you cut him. It's really hard. I guess he could take a BIG pay cut down to $2 million + the $2 million roster bonus he gets this season...

$9 million salary and $14 million cap number in 2013. That's just not something that's going to happen, IMO. If we cut him after his year before that bonus, we'll have $6 million in dead money from the signing bonus and $5.6 million in dead money from his 2012 roster bonus. Joe could step in and say different, but I think you could still designate him a June 1 cut and spread that $11.6 million across the 2013 and 2014 caps.

The problem is, if you cut Kolb, then you're entering the 2013 draft/free agency period with Skelton on a 2nd round (I'm guessing) RFA tender and Lindley as your only two guys under contract. Talk about a desperate scenario.

The last time the Cards were that desperate, they gave up a former Pro Bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick to give a guy with 7 career starts a $60 million contract.

My guess is either Kolb takes a restructure from 9M to like 5M and his bonus or he gets cut and it guarantees a 1st round drafting of a QB. Imo, even if he takes the restructure we should prob. draft a QB 1st.

 

[Russ Smith]

Something's got to happen. The team has barely said anything about Kolb's injuries. But if he did have rib separations at the sternum, he's NOT coming back this year. It may be a career ender.

The fact that Dawg started this at a decent time and not at 2am and the initial post was readable leads me to believe he's not messing with us and was probably capable of a rational thought.

And Dawg won't talk about his source... could be a customer at the shop who doesn't want the Cards to know he's a customer at the shop. Or the guy that owns the taco truck that stops at the businesses across the street from the facility. (He'd know things.)

This day may get interesting!

they said during the game that Kolb was ahead of schedule and the Cards were excited he could be back earlier so it seems unlikely they think he's out for the year.

If we did this deal I think it would be more about what the cards think of Skelton and Lindley than about Kolb.

 

[Russ Smith]

While on the subject of Kolb's contract I've never quite gotten this. We've been assured that nobody else wants Kolb at all and never would. So what exactly is the risk in the Cards just telling him look you make too much, take the paycut or we cut you?

Aside from the immediate hit to the cap what's the risk. No other NFL team will even consider going after him we've been told that repeatedly . So it's not like the Cards will be competing with anybody. The Cards will have all the leverage so why not just release him at that point if he refuses to take a paycut?

 

[DemsMyBoys]

they said during the game that Kolb was ahead of schedule and the Cards were excited he could be back earlier so it seems unlikely they think he's out for the year.

If we did this deal I think it would be more about what the cards think of Skelton and Lindley than about Kolb.

I heard that too and wondered about it. It seemed awfully optimistic for the type of injury he had. Plus, to be honest, I'm also using "the wife" factor. She's at home with an injured husband and a brand new baby. What's she going to say about him coming back if he did have a horrendous injury?

We could call it the Brenda Effect.

 

[kerouac9]

they said during the game that Kolb was ahead of schedule and the Cards were excited he could be back earlier so it seems unlikely they think he's out for the year.

If we did this deal I think it would be more about what the cards think of Skelton and Lindley than about Kolb.

The Cards have always been forthcoming when it comes to injury reports at the quarterback position, right? Skelton was always just about ready to go until he was deactivated on Sunday for four weeks.

The thing with it not having to do with Kolb is that you're going to have to do something with Lindley and Skelton just because you're not going to carry 4 QBs. I guess this staff might just be over Skelton at this point and ready to dump him, but I doubt it.

 

[kerouac9]

While on the subject of Kolb's contract I've never quite gotten this. We've been assured that nobody else wants Kolb at all and never would. So what exactly is the risk in the Cards just telling him look you make too much, take the paycut or we cut you?

Aside from the immediate hit to the cap what's the risk. No other NFL team will even consider going after him we've been told that repeatedly . So it's not like the Cards will be competing with anybody. The Cards will have all the leverage so why not just release him at that point if he refuses to take a paycut?

Because there's the chance that Kolb doesn't like this situation and could just as easily go back to Philly and compete. What if Kolb's choice is about more than money, and is actually about having a successful NFL career?

Kolb's leverage is that he could leave and we'd be stuck with Skelton, Lindley, and magic beans in the 2013 draft. It's about the same leverage he had last March, and he used that leverage to get himself a $7 million roster bonus.

 

[Russ Smith]

Because there's the chance that Kolb doesn't like this situation and could just as easily go back to Philly and compete. What if Kolb's choice is about more than money, and is actually about having a successful NFL career?

Kolb's leverage is that he could leave and we'd be stuck with Skelton, Lindley, and magic beans in the 2013 draft. It's about the same leverage he had last March, and he used that leverage to get himself a $7 million roster bonus.

That's my point we've been assured by the board expert(not you) that no other team in the NFL has any interest in Kolb. So why be afraid he'd leave if we hardballed him?

 

[desertdawg]

Whiz is streaming live on the Cards site right now. Hasn't said anything about Moore.

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos-photos/live-video.html

 

[Russ Smith]

The Cards have always been forthcoming when it comes to injury reports at the quarterback position, right? Skelton was always just about ready to go until he was deactivated on Sunday for four weeks.

The thing with it not having to do with Kolb is that you're going to have to do something with Lindley and Skelton just because you're not going to carry 4 QBs. I guess this staff might just be over Skelton at this point and ready to dump him, but I doubt it.

I think it was really 2 weeks then first week active Kolb gets hurt.

You can see that Skelton is not 100% so that tells me the Cards weren't comfortable with Lindley as the backup.

I'm not a huge Matt Moore fan I remember him from college classic guy who looked more like a QB than he really played like on.

But if the Dolphins want to get rid of him I can see why the Cards might be buying. gives them the rest of the year to evaluate all 4.

Like you I suspect it's quite possible Kolb won't be back because he can't stay healthy.

Would make some sense as a stopgap if you're going to draft a QB.

 

[Bodha]

This thread is literally the only place Ive heard of this.




So, this is either the ultimate troll/fake rumor thread

or


...

thats all it can be, Ive been searching and cant find anything anywhere.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it was really 2 weeks then first week active Kolb gets hurt.

You can see that Skelton is not 100% so that tells me the Cards weren't comfortable with Lindley as the backup.

I'm not a huge Matt Moore fan I remember him from college classic guy who looked more like a QB than he really played like on.

But if the Dolphins want to get rid of him I can see why the Cards might be buying. gives them the rest of the year to evaluate all 4.

Like you I suspect it's quite possible Kolb won't be back because he can't stay healthy.

Would make some sense as a stopgap if you're going to draft a QB.

I haven't really followed his NFL career but it seemed to me that every time he started to really show his stuff he'd come up lame for a few weeks. Still, I do think he'd instantly be the best QB on the roster (other than Lindley, obviously.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

This thread is literally the only place Ive heard of this.




So, this is either the ultimate troll/fake rumor thread

or


...

thats all it can be, Ive been searching and cant find anything anywhere.

Your too buff to argue with but this aint no hippie designed hoax. I'm gonna kick my homie in the nuts if this is weak sauce. I got till tomorrow in my bet so we'll see what happens.

 

[kerouac9]

That's my point we've been assured by the board expert(not you) that no other team in the NFL has any interest in Kolb. So why be afraid he'd leave if we hardballed him?

Because, to begin with, it's 2012, and not 2010. Because the situations are completely different. In myriad ways, but let's break a few down:

1) Trade compensation. There may have been teams in 2010 open to giving Kolb a chance at a starting job, but there (almost by definition) weren't as many teams willing to give up the compensation necessary to acquire him. In 2012, if Kolb is cut, there will be no trade compensation involved, so the demand side of the equation can be higher.

2) Competitive interest. Kolb had zero ability to choose his 2010 team when the trade was executed. He was under contract with Philly at a very reasonable cap number, and could have stayed there if Philly didn't find the right deal. In 2012, Kolb would have the opportunity to go somewhere where he could start and/or have a better chance to succeed as a starter or a backup. It's possible that he's soured on the opportunity to succeed here.

3) Money. I strongly believe that in the NFL, it's always about the money. Well, almost always. Kolb's made himself a lot of money in the last four years. If he's invested that money considerably, he has no real financial interest in continuing his career. His only priority may be to justify his ability to play at a high level in the NFL. If the compensation cost has no draft picks involved, and is only a financial commitment, Kolb could be willing to start for $7 million in 2013 compensation for Philly rather than play here for the same $7 million. Or he could be willing to be a primary backup to a troubled starter elsewhere for significantly less money than he would have offered here.

 

[desertdawg]

I did text my friend and asked him if he was serious last night (I mentioned I am looking like a dork online right now ). He said "yes, maybe it's being worked out"

I found a Phin Forum that is tossing this rumor around too, we know where it started though.

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?72815-*Rumor*-Matt-Moore-to-Arizona

 

[vinnymac]

Chris Mortenson on espn pregame said the Cardinals were trying out Vince Young. Take it for what it is worth.

 

[Mulli]

Chris Mortenson on espn pregame said the Cardinals were trying out Vince Young. Take it for what it is worth.

Cards denied it.

 

[vinnymac]

ok not a young fan anyway