Thank God We Didn't Draft...

[Redheart]

He'll sign...

He'll sign like a deaf man with the runs looking for a bathroom.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Byron Leftwich.

He's entering Day 14 of his holdout, and nothing is apparently progressing. The West Coast offense is one of the hardest to learn, and he's missing his time. It sure doesn't sound like there's a sense of urgency coming our of Jags camp on this.

It have been really embarassing if he were holding out of our camp. David Gerrard is going to be a better QB than him, anyway.

Have a nice career, Byron.

I agree that Leftwich would have been a better fit with Baltimore, but knocking down a prospects worth on the basis of a holdout is nothing short of outlandish. And I don't think there is much of a sense of urgency on Jacksonville's part. They have a solid starter in Brunell and 2nd year player who was really progressing at the end of last season and , supposedly, this off-season as well. With all the salary cap problems over the past few years, Jacksonville is going to be really cautious with any new contracts. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Leftwich is holding out, nor does it that McGahee is still not in camp. I think most would have expected these two deals to be the hardest to get done based on the situations w/ both teams.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Re: Re: Thank God We Didn't Draft...

Originally posted by RLakin
I agree that Leftwich would have been a better fit with Baltimore, but knocking down a prospects worth on the basis of a holdout is nothing short of outlandish. And I don't think there is much of a sense of urgency on Jacksonville's part. They have a solid starter in Brunell and 2nd year player who was really progressing at the end of last season and , supposedly, this off-season as well. With all the salary cap problems over the past few years, Jacksonville is going to be really cautious with any new contracts. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Leftwich is holding out, nor does it that McGahee is still not in camp. I think most would have expected these two deals to be the hardest to get done based on the situations w/ both teams.

I agree with most of your comments. I was originally thinking the Vikings' pick (can't remember his name. Williams or something?) would be the last to sign, as I thought that draft day snafu would be a sticking point (i.e. The Vikings would offer a 9th pick slot, while the player would push for 7th).

McGahee taking so doesn't suprise me, but I thought the Jags would have a greater sense of ugency to get Leftwich in on time. He didn't figure on playing much - if at all - this year, but in terms of development, he's missing some valuable time. His holdout may cost him a chance to play (start?) next year.

 

[Redheart]

Re: He'll sign...

Originally posted by Redheart
He'll sign like a deaf man with the runs looking for a bathroom.

Well, what do you know...

McGahee's agent to meet with Bills to spur contract talks

By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer
August 8, 2003

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) -- Willis McGahee's agent is scheduled to meet with Buffalo Bills' executives in an attempt to spur stalled contract talks involving the first-round draft pick.

Agent Drew Rosenhaus said Friday that Bills president Tom Donahoe has accepted a request to meet in Baltimore for lunch Saturday, prior to Buffalo's preseason-opener against the Ravens.

``I'm a firm believer that, typically, if you're having a hard time getting a deal done, it's beneficial to meet face to face,'' Rosenhaus said.

Noting that Bills vice president Jim Overdorf will also be in attendance, Rosenhaus added: ``I want to look them both right in the eye and kind of address the issues that are holding this deal up, because we really should get this deal done right now.''

It will mark the first time the two sides have met personally in an attempt to sign the former University of Miami running back star, who is recovering from knee surgery and might not be ready to play this season.

Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold declined to comment, saying the team does not publicly discuss contract negotiations.

McGahee, taken 23rd overall, and Jacksonville quarterback Byron Leftwich, the No. 7 selection, are the only two first-round draft picks that have yet to sign a contract.

McGahee's uncertain status is complicating negotiations as the player continues to recover after tearing three ligaments in his left knee during Miami's loss to Ohio State in last January's Fiesta Bowl.

Rosenhaus insists McGahee is ready to begin practicing, citing conversations he has had with Dr. John Uribe, who performed surgery on the player.

The Bills are taking a more cautious approach, following the guideline that it takes a player at least nine months to recover from such an injury.

Even when McGahee does sign, the Bills are expected to place him on either the physically unable to perform list or the non-football injury list, indefinitely relegating the player to the sideline. The non-football injury list applies to McGahee because he was hurt prior to joining the NFL.

Rosenhaus said McGahee's recovery is being underestimated, a reason he wants his client in training camp as soon as possible.

``What we would like to see Willis do right now is get into camp and start to play football. That's the only way for us to gauge how far along he is in relation to playing in a game and being his best,'' Rosenhaus said. ``Certainly, the Bills, I'm sure, are eager to get him rolling.''

Before being hurt, McGahee was projected to be one of the top three picks in the draft after he set school records with 1,753 yards rushing and 28 touchdowns last season.

 

[CardLogic]

Re: He'll sign...

Originally posted by Redheart
He'll sign like a deaf man with the runs looking for a bathroom.

Classic!

I agree, to this point the holdout isn't hurting McGahee; just giving him more time to recoup from the knee injury/surgery.

But, there is no way he sit out the entire year, unless his agents Wonderlic score is on a par with McGahee's.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am still here and Leftwich will be fine. To say his entire career will be effected by a holdout is asinine.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
I am still here and Leftwich will be fine. To say his entire career will be effected by a holdout is asinine.

Does the name wadsworth ring a bell?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Does the name Edgerrin James ring a bell? What's your point?

Do you have one?

Nope.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Does the name Edgerrin James ring a bell? What's your point?

Do you have one?

Nope.

My point is that holding out killed wadsworths carrer. BTW where has edge been the last two years, O YEAH in a hospital.

Whats your point

Do you have one?

Nope.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Edge held out the entire preseason until the first day of camp and went on to finish in the top 3 in NFL rushing.

Wadsworth played his rookie season and by the end of the season was the Cardinals best defensive lineman. His two sacks in the Cardinals playoff game were key to them beating the Cowboys.

Their holdouts HAD NOTHING to do with second year injuries. You reached, you were wrong, and now you can stew about it.

 

[AzKarl]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1st Rd Holdouts

Originally posted by Skkorpion
McGahee went to Miami and scored an 8 on the Wonderlic, if I recall. This man is terminally stupid.

Supposedly you get an 8 for signing your name. How stupid is stupid?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I still think we should have drafted Suggs.

Down with Leftwich!

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Edge held out the entire preseason until the first day of camp and went on to finish in the top 3 in NFL rushing.

Wadsworth played his rookie season and by the end of the season was the Cardinals best defensive lineman. His two sacks in the Cardinals playoff game were key to them beating the Cowboys.

Their holdouts HAD NOTHING to do with second year injuries. You reached, you were wrong, and now you can stew about it.

Mark Smith and Simeon Rice had better stats than wadsworth so you are wrong there. Adrian Murell,larry centers, and the LB crew were the reason the cards beat the boys. If wadsworth made camp he could have been a starter sooner. What about Wendell, if he dosent improve holding out would have ruined his carrer. What exactly is there to stew about? Let me know because the only stew i know is beef stew and i havent had that in a long time. Do you stew? Maybe you could give me some of your stew because i havent stewed in a while. Just a thought, get back to me on that whole stew thing.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Again, I am still trying to get how you correlate a year two injury with a year 1 holdout...on both players. Don't change the subject.

As to Mark Smith and Simeon Rice having better stats, I said by the end of the season...hence the Cowboys playoff game reference. Wadsworth's career being ended due to injury had nothing to do with a holdout. You are reaching.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Oh and be sure to copy some more of my text. It makes you look real smooth with your 3rd grade "I know you are but what am I"

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Again, I am still trying to get how you correlate a year two injury with a year 1 holdout...on both players. Don't change the subject.

As to Mark Smith and Simeon Rice having better stats, I said by the end of the season...hence the Cowboys playoff game reference. Wadsworth's career being ended due to injury had nothing to do with a holdout. You are reaching.

So one game determines if a player is better by the end of the year. Damn that means kasper is better than DB. You still havent answered me. When are we going to stew? I hope soon bc im hungry. BTW i didnt copy your text i typed it myself so HA! Well i guess ill see you back when school starts. What we are both going in the 3rd grade, remember 1st grade.....good times, good times. BTW i got a new Brady Bunch thermos cant wait to use it.

BTW Wadsworth did suffer from his holdout wether you would like to think so or not.

 

[Buckybird]

Leftwich is the big pocket passer who reads defenses that makes
coaches salivate. This guy will be a STUD. Sorry we did not take him.

 

[Pariah]

For the record, I fall on the side of Wadsworths injuries having nothing to do with his holdout. He did not ruin his career by holding out.

Bryant ruined his rookie season by holding out, and if he fails in the NFL it's not because he missed a few weeks of practice--it's because he isn't an NFL caliber player. Same goes for Leftwich or anyone else who holds out and then fails.

Rookie holdouts = ruined rookie seasons, they do not = ruined careers.

 

[SECTION 11]

Re: Re: Thank God We Didn't Draft...

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Where are all those byron lovers right now?????????????

Here!

 

[Redheart]

And the deal is done!

McGahee agrees to contract with Bills

By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer
August 12, 2003
PITTSFORD, N.Y. (AP) -- First-round pick Willis McGahee and the Buffalo Bills agreed to a five-year deal Tuesday that could potentially be worth $15.5 million.

The contract includes a guaranteed two-tiered $4.15 million bonus, the second part of which will be paid at the end of the season. The deal is also heavily laden with incentives that more than double a base contract worth just over $7 million, including bonuses.

The question now is when the Miami running back will be able to play as he's still recovering after tearing three ligaments in his left knee during the school's loss to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl last January.

As part of the agreement, the Bills hold the option to keep McGahee for a fifth season.

``We're very pleased,'' said McGahee's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. ``They were very fair to Willis by structuring a deal that, including incentives, will give him the chance to be paid as a top-10 pick.''

Bills president Tom Donahoe was scheduled to discuss McGahee's signing later Tuesday.

McGahee, the 23rd player selected, has spent the last month in his native Miami and is scheduled to travel to the Bills training camp facility in suburban Rochester on Wednesday.

The Bills are expected to place McGahee on the physically unable to perform list or the non-football injury list, which would put him on the sideline indefinitely this year.

``Frankly, I want Willis to do what's best for his future,'' Rosenhaus said. ``But I think he can impress a lot of people and be a factor this year.''

Before getting hurt, McGahee was projected to be one of the top three picks in the draft after he set school records with 1,753 yards rushing and 28 touchdowns last season.

McGahee's agreement to a contract leaves only one first-round pick unsigned -- Jacksonville quarterback Byron Leftwich, the No. 7 selection.

Good for him!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Graves had any balls,he'd try and make a deal and obtain Leftwich from Jax.Mccown is not the answer and neither is Blake.We have cap room and he could sit this year and be ready to take over next year.We could give them next years number 1 which will probably be spent on a QB anyway.WE'd alreday have next years #1 signed and ready to take over.Leftwich holding out is not going to hurt his career in any way.If he was being counted on to start then it may matter but he most likely won't see the field much this year.

 

[CardLogic]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
If Graves had any balls,he'd try and make a deal and obtain Leftwich from Jax.Mccown is not the answer and neither is Blake.We have cap room and he could sit this year and be ready to take over next year.We could give them next years number 1 which will probably be spent on a QB anyway.WE'd alreday have next years #1 signed and ready to take over.Leftwich holding out is not going to hurt his career in any way.If he was being counted on to start then it may matter but he most likely won't see the field much this year.

Interesting idea Cbus, I can't see it ever happening but it would be quite the coup it it did. Jax has to believe that Leftwich is thier QB of the future, what could Grave offer to the Jags to get them to make this move? How would all the national pundits spin the story if the Cards ended up with Leftwich; the top pick that many thought they needed along with an additional two sterling first round picks in B. Johnson and C. Pace?

Ahhh it's fun to dream!