That Ellington issue, our slim chance this year

[MaoTosiFanClub]

BA wants Duke to get 17 to 20 touches a game so it seems you are on the same page with him.

I think that is BA coachspeak or he'd actually give him more touches instead of only blabbing about it. Here's how it shakes our per week...

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6
6
7
11
12
5
17 (Mendy inactive)
13

That's just pathetic for a guy averaging 7.2 a carry and 9.0 a catch. Again not saying 25-30 touches is the answer (of course what would be the harm?) but around 20 is a really good number. He has shown he can hurt defenses in so many ways (screens, long and short routes, inside and outside runs) there's no reason not be getting more snaps. Not like we're talking about a one dimensional back like LSH or Marcel Shipp here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think that is BA coachspeak or he'd actually give him more touches instead of only blabbing about it. Here's how it shakes our per week...

Bingo. What Arians says and what he does are very different things (unless it's continuing to treat Mendy as the starter unfortunately).

1
6
6
7
11
12
5
17 (Mendy inactive)
13

That's just pathetic for a guy averaging 7.2 a carry and 9.0 a catch. Again not saying 25-30 touches is the answer (of course what would be the harm?) but around 20 is a really good number. He has shown he can hurt defenses in so many ways (screens, long and short routes, inside and outside runs) there's no reason not be getting more snaps. Not like we're talking about a one dimensional back like LSH or Marcel Shipp here.

yup.

 

[JeffGollin]

maybe it's a Coach K thing but does anybody else absolutely hate the nickname Duke for Andre?

It's better than Beef W'...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm probably the only one, but I don't have a problem with the way Arians is using the RB's.

Ellington and Mendy are two very different style RB's and it give the defenses more looks. I don't want Taylor or Williams in there instead of Mendenhall and Ellington is getting his touches.

Another factor that people overlook is that about this time of year, rookies are usually about to hit the wall. The NFL season is much longer and much more of a grind than college. Arians limiting Ellington's touches is also probably an attempt to keep him fresh and have an impact throughout the entire season.

 

[Shane]

I'm probably the only one, but I don't have a problem with the way Arians is using the RB's.

Ellington and Mendy are two very different style RB's and it give the defenses more looks. I don't want Taylor or Williams in there instead of Mendenhall and Ellington is getting his touches.

Another factor that people overlook is that about this time of year, rookies are usually about to hit the wall. The NFL season is much longer and much more of a grind than college. Arians limiting Ellington's touches is also probably an attempt to keep him fresh and have an impact throughout the entire season.

13 touches isn't enough no matter how you slice it

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm probably the only one, but I don't have a problem with the way Arians is using the RB's.

Ellington and Mendy are two very different style RB's and it give the defenses more looks. I don't want Taylor or Williams in there instead of Mendenhall and Ellington is getting his touches.

Another factor that people overlook is that about this time of year, rookies are usually about to hit the wall. The NFL season is much longer and much more of a grind than college. Arians limiting Ellington's touches is also probably an attempt to keep him fresh and have an impact throughout the entire season.

Sure but he just came off a bye week so I'm assuming he was pretty well rested before Sundays game.

 

[freebyrd]

maybe it's a Coach K thing but does anybody else absolutely hate the nickname Duke for Andre?

i know its supposed to be duke ellington
but it reminds me of a dog or slang for excrement "dukey"
a lousy nickname,

before long the league will just call him "sir"

i am kind of ok with how its progressing with andre, i don't think mendenhall will be here next year and we will run with andre and taylor as our 1 2 punch i expect them both to get growing roles as the second half of the season progresses,
and maybe we can shock the world with these two in the playoffs
i think we have a superbowl quality defense developing and our offense is starting to click a little more, good special teams as well

its certainly night and day between this year and last,
i couldn't wait for last season to be over it was such a trainwreck and the team was imploding and depressing and not fun to watch at all

i can see us going on a 5 game win streak here starting with jacksonville and san fran is very beatable
i got a good feeling about our chances going forward 11 and 5 behind sealltle at 12 and 4,
that would be something

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Sure but he just came off a bye week so I'm assuming he was pretty well rested before Sundays game.

Yes, but like when Arians only gave vets with 3 or more years off this past Monday, I'm sure he had the rookies and young players in and working pretty hard over the bye week.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

13 touches isn't enough no matter how you slice it

According to you.

 

[Shane]

According to you.

Yep and just about everybody else.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yep and just about everybody else.

even including notable homers such as Urban and Somers.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yep and just about everybody else.

Not Bruce Arians, Stump Mitchell, or me .

 

[Jetstream Green]

It really is baffling. Usually it's a he's a veteran I trust him thing, but he's the one fumbling not Ellington or Taylor. he's a solid pass blocker I guess but he's not in there for that, Smith is apparently the best pass blocker of the RB's.

he's not a great hands guy, better than Taylor but not close to Ellington so he's not in for double threat.

I just don't get why Mendenhall gets put right back in there a game after Ellington went nuts.

I think all our backs have good hands, and Taylor is probably as good as Mendy blocking if Smith was not an option and if Taylor is not...the kid was not bad at Stanford and without any practice in real time will not get better. Yes, it is very baffling

 

[Cardiac]

Wk 10 AE 31 snaps 47% of all Offensive snaps Mending 26 snaps 39%
Wk 9 Bye wk
Wk 8 AE 33 snaps 61% Mending Inactive Taylor 19 snaps 35%
Wk 7 AE 31 snaps 41% Mending 24 snaps 32% Smith 21 snaps 28%
Wk 6 AE 32 snaps 48% Mending 22 snaps 33% Smith 10 snaps 15% Taylor 7 snaps 11%
Wk 5 AE 30 snaps 48% Mending 30 snaps 48% A Smith 7 snaps 11%
Wk 4 AE 20 snaps 32% Mending 41 snaps 66% Smith 2 snaps 3% Taylor 3 snaps 5%
Wk 3 AE 27 snaps 47% Mending 23 snaps 40% Smith 18 snaps 31% Taylor 1 snaps 2%
Wk 2 AE 18 snaps 25% Mending 36 snaps 51% Smith 17 snaps 24% Taylor 5 snaps 7%
Wk 1 AE 8 snaps 11% Mending 35 snaps 49% Smith 27 snaps 38%
YTD AE 230 snaps 39% Mending 237 41% Smith 110 snaps 19% Taylor 42 snaps 7%

Starting in Wk 5 Dukes Offensive snaps are incredibly consistent. Looks like BA has a plan for Duke and is keeping to it.

BA has been giving Duke more snaps then Mending since Wk6 and in essence since Wk3.

Biggest mistake from BA is thinking A Smith should have gotten any snaps on O, well at least he sees that now. Of course some of it may have been getting the rookies up to speed and getting confidence in them.

In summary, yes Duke needs more touches but it's not like BA is not giving him opportunities. Is Mending really as bad as many fans think? Well his knee and then toe did hamper him but he did make some positive good plays against the Texans.

Oh, I like the nickname Duke because I think it will be cool to hear the home fans chant DUUUUUKE. Kinda like Moooooose and Goooooose.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wk 10 AE 31 snaps 47% of all Offensive snaps Mending 26 snaps 39%
Wk 9 Bye wk
Wk 8 AE 33 snaps 61% Mending Inactive Taylor 19 snaps 35%
Wk 7 AE 31 snaps 41% Mending 24 snaps 32% Smith 21 snaps 28%
Wk 6 AE 32 snaps 48% Mending 22 snaps 33% Smith 10 snaps 15% Taylor 7 snaps 11%
Wk 5 AE 30 snaps 48% Mending 30 snaps 48% A Smith 7 snaps 11%
Wk 4 AE 20 snaps 32% Mending 41 snaps 66% Smith 2 snaps 3% Taylor 3 snaps 5%
Wk 3 AE 27 snaps 47% Mending 23 snaps 40% Smith 18 snaps 31% Taylor 1 snaps 2%
Wk 2 AE 18 snaps 25% Mending 36 snaps 51% Smith 17 snaps 24% Taylor 5 snaps 7%
Wk 1 AE 8 snaps 11% Mending 35 snaps 49% Smith 27 snaps 38%
YTD AE 230 snaps 39% Mending 237 41% Smith 110 snaps 19% Taylor 42 snaps 7%

Starting in Wk 5 Dukes Offensive snaps are incredibly consistent. Looks like BA has a plan for Duke and is keeping to it.

BA has been giving Duke more snaps then Mending since Wk6 and in essence since Wk3.

Biggest mistake from BA is thinking A Smith should have gotten any snaps on O, well at least he sees that now. Of course some of it may have been getting the rookies up to speed and getting confidence in them.

In summary, yes Duke needs more touches but it's not like BA is not giving him opportunities. Is Mending really as bad as many fans think? Well his knee and then toe did hamper him but he did make some positive good plays against the Texans.

is Mendy really as bad as we think? He was mediocre two years ago before he blew out his knee. was awful coming back from that surgery last year and now two years removed from the surgery, he's averaging 3.1 yards per carry and has below average ball security. that's pretty bad, IMO. He made a couple positive plays, but he constantly leaves yards on the field, doesn't protect the ball well and the defense doesn't have to account for him on the field because he doesn't really provide much of a threat.

my guess? he's off this team next year and possibly out of the league by next year and definitely gone by 2015. just my opinion of course.

 

[Cardiac]

is Mendy really as bad as we think? He was mediocre two years ago before he blew out his knee. was awful coming back from that surgery last year and now two years removed from the surgery, he's averaging 3.1 yards per carry and has below average ball security. that's pretty bad, IMO. He made a couple positive plays, but he constantly leaves yards on the field, doesn't protect the ball well and the defense doesn't have to account for him on the field because he doesn't really provide much of a threat.

my guess? he's off this team next year and possibly out of the league by next year and definitely gone by 2015. just my opinion of course.

I doubt he is on the Cards next year, we agree. The rest I wouldn't bet either way.

Let's see what his snaps and production are going forward. Point is he isn't stealing many snaps for Duke at this point which seems to be most posters concerns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I doubt he is on the Cards next year, we agree. The rest I wouldn't bet either way.

Let's see what his snaps and production are going forward. Point is he isn't stealing many snaps for Duke at this point which seems to be most posters concerns.

i disagree. I think that 61% that Duke got in the game Mendy was out should be the number he hits all season and with Mendy out there, I don't think that happens and didn't happen last week. I hope that changes as we move forward.

 

[Cardiac]

i disagree. I think that 61% that Duke got in the game Mendy was out should be the number he hits all season and with Mendy out there, I don't think that happens and didn't happen last week. I hope that changes as we move forward.

That 61% of snaps was 33 snaps. 31 the week after and in the 30's the previous 3 weeks. We are talking about a difference of 1 to 3 snaps in those 5 weeks.

Posters get up in arms about 1 to 3 snaps a game?

 

[john h]

It is next to impossible to make the playoffs, go deep in it, and win the Super Bowl without a stud QB unless you have a big play special running back. If we only had Chris Johnson at HB like that one amazing season he had, and with this defense why not? Uh oh, wait, we might...really, Ellington might be that good if BA would just make him the freaking STARTER.

Taylor actually is not that much of a drop off from Mendy possibly and Taylor probably will not fumble if you then need a change of pace back. Then we have another wild card, rather extreme to me because the guy has never done anything on the NFL level, Ryan Williams. What if Ellington is just 80% of the back Johnson was that year, what if Ryan Williams is a play maker. Heck, even Fitzgerald is making more highlight reels as blocker now. We might have what we need, slim but not as far fetched as it sounds. Our running blocking is actually not that bad. With the run game going, and it would have to for sake of this argument of doing squat in the playoffs of making it to the

You are correct in your first sentence. You need a stud QB to go deep into the playoffs. You could have the best RBs in football but if you do not have that QB the defense will just stack the line with defenders and no RB can run through that many defenders. We have a tough schedule ahead of us and have a weak possibility of making the playoffs. I am happy to still be in the hunt this late in November. If we win this week I will be even happier.

 

[BigRedRage]

Yep and just about everybody else.

plus one

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