The 2018-2019 Around the NBA thread

[AzStevenCal]

They play him, of course.

Well, if they feel like being petty and vengeful I'd suggest a 3 step approach. Sit him until the players association threatens a lawsuit and then play him 48 minutes a game. When the PA freaks out about that, play him 1 minute per half to destroy his per game numbers. It might slow down the next agent driven public trade demand.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He did it when Pop was resting players for the playoffs. I don't think they would say anything when a player is in the process of being traded. They did not say anything about Bledsoe not playing during the hair styling fiasco.

Actually they didn't make much of a fuss when he rested a player here and there down the stretch. It was the next year when Pop rested all his veteran stars on an early season road trip that drew a fine or the threat of a fine.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I’m not so sure the Pelicans should have declined this offer if true. Literally strips the Lakers of all their young and good players and kills their cap space with that Hill contract.

Yeah that seems like an offer you can’t refuse. That’s literally a starting 5 of young guys and potentially two off the bench. It’s not a good team but a completely reconstructed young team immediately.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. Just for giggles. Not really serious.

TJ Warren, DeAndre Ayton, Josh Jackson, two Suns first rounders for AD.

How does that offer stack up against the Lakers offer?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, if they feel like being petty and vengeful I'd suggest a 3 step approach. Sit him until the players association threatens a lawsuit and then play him 48 minutes a game. When the PA freaks out about that, play him 1 minute per half to destroy his per game numbers. It might slow down the next agent driven public trade demand.

Yeah I love it. And when he throws a fit suspend him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

OK. Just for giggles. Not really serious.

TJ Warren, DeAndre Ayton, Josh Jackson, two Suns first rounders for AD.

How does that offer stack up against the Lakers offer?

Ayton alone kills the lakers deal. We wouldn’t have to give up much else outside of Ayton. Particularly as we would only be renting him before he bolts. This would be idiotic on many levels.

 

[Phrazbit]

OK. Just for giggles. Not really serious.

TJ Warren, DeAndre Ayton, Josh Jackson, two Suns first rounders for AD.

How does that offer stack up against the Lakers offer?

Yes... it obliterates it.

4 quarters don't equal a dollar in the NBA and a 10 dimes don't equal much of anything. Ayton is one of the most valuable trade assets in the league, barring injury he will likely develop into a perennial all-star. The Laker trade is a lot of quantity, low on quality. Sure, there are some guys in that group who might become solid starters, but there is also a high likelihood that the Lakers are dangling a bunch of future 6th to 8th men.

 

[Hoop Head]

I would say the reason the Pelicans don't take the Lakers is because they know Lonzo and others don't want to go there. They could flip them elsewhere for assets and probably get a pick or two from someone for Lonzo alone but why should they have to shop him when they really didn't want to be in this situation anyways. Make the Lakers find a good offer for Lonzo in a 3 team deal and then accept the trade.

They aren't in a rush to get this done like the Lakers are and I think a Boston offer during the draft would beat the Lakers offer if the Pelicans are stuck having to move players on their own to try to get the most out of them because they don't want to be Pelicans. Tatum, Smart, and a couple of the picks that Boston has would be a better haul. I can't see Davis turning down a max extension from Boston either so there is little risk involved for the Celtics in making that move.

They'll have a year of Irving, Horford, and Hayward selling him on Boston plus they're the Celtics, they have no shortage of legends who I'm sure Ainge would call up to help him pitch Davis on returning and smoothing over any misconceptions he may have about the IT trade.

 

[Proximo]

OK. Just for giggles. Not really serious.

TJ Warren, DeAndre Ayton, Josh Jackson, two Suns first rounders for AD.

How does that offer stack up against the Lakers offer?

I think that is a better offer - but not by a lot.

The Pelicans are crazy - I mean really crazy - if they don't take that offer if it is real. That in my opinion is more than Davis is worth, and it definitely will make the Lakers worse.

That is like 3 years of Laker rebuild sent to them plus 2 firsts.

If Magic actually offered all that - I will go so far as to say as he F'd up bad. Does he not understand the Pelicans are going to bluff as to what they are willing to take?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its just interesting. I know there is the risk of AD bolting, but if we thought (just speculating here, because its free) we could keep players, the idea of building an amazing young core is really interesting. For instance

Ayton, Warren, Anderson, Jackson, and Bender for Holiday and AD works. Add a 2020 first rounder and I would think that NO would have to think hard about that.

That would give us a big three of AD, Booker, and Holiday. Role players of Oubre, and Bridges, and our 2019 pick to add one more player. But now, any one of a number of players from this draft would make sense including the wings like Barrett. We would also still have FA money to spend this summer I think.

Its just wild speculation. Sometimes I like thinking WAY outside.

 

[Proximo]

Its just interesting. I know there is the risk of AD bolting, but if we thought (just speculating here, because its free) we could keep players, the idea of building an amazing young core is really interesting. For instance

Ayton, Warren, Anderson, Jackson, and Bender for Holiday and AD works. Add a 2020 first rounder and I would think that NO would have to think hard about that.

That would give us a big three of AD, Booker, and Holiday. Role players of Oubre, and Bridges, and our 2019 pick to add one more player. But now, any one of a number of players from this draft would make sense including the wings like Barrett. We would also still have FA money to spend this summer I think.

Its just wild speculation. Sometimes I like thinking WAY outside.

That's too far out of the box. He named his 4 teams he is willing to extend with - what they all have in common is another top 5 player, or the ability to sign a top 5 player (Clippers).
You can't force a square peg into a round hole

 

[1Sun]

That's too far out of the box. He named his 4 teams he is willing to extend with - what they all have in common is another top 5 player, or the ability to sign a top 5 player (Clippers).
You can't force a square peg into a round hole

Tell that to our coach, who is still trying to force Euro-ball on to this team...

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's too far out of the box. He named his 4 teams he is willing to extend with - what they all have in common is another top 5 player, or the ability to sign a top 5 player (Clippers).
You can't force a square peg into a round hole

OK. But just for the sake of argument.

Toronto was not a team that Kahwi wanted to go to. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...rs-reports-say-and-lakers-are-his-top-choice/
OKC was not where PG wanted to go. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/18/paul-george-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers
Boston is not on AD's list but that is not stopping Ainge from going all in.
Boston was not on Kyrie's list of teams. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20124505/kyrie-irving-seeking-trade-cleveland-cavaliers
Dallas was not on Kristaps list of teams. https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-new...lippers-but-not-mavs-list-trade-destinations/

 

[Proximo]

OK. But just for the sake of argument.

Toronto was not a team that Kahwi wanted to go to. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...rs-reports-say-and-lakers-are-his-top-choice/
OKC was not where PG wanted to go. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/18/paul-george-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers
Boston is not on AD's list but that is not stopping Ainge from going all in.
Boston was not on Kyrie's list of teams. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20124505/kyrie-irving-seeking-trade-cleveland-cavaliers
Dallas was not on Kristaps list of teams. https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-new...lippers-but-not-mavs-list-trade-destinations/

True, but none of those teams were bottom 5 with one of the worst owners.

 

[JCSunsfan]

True, but none of those teams were bottom 5 with one of the worst owners.

But that's like saying "I can't get the girl because I am not self-confident, so I am not going to even try."

The reason this team is bottom 5 and the owner is the worst is exactly BECAUSE they dink around with stupid conservative thinking. "Hire cheap, conservative deals, just don't get robbed in a trade." That's loser thinking.

 

[elindholm]

But that's like saying "I can't get the girl because I am not self-confident, so I am not going to even try."

The reason this team is bottom 5 and the owner is the worst is exactly BECAUSE they dink around with stupid conservative thinking. "Hire cheap, conservative deals, just don't get robbed in a trade." That's loser thinking.

I agree that the Suns should at least consider making an offer for Davis if it seems like the Pelicans are getting an itchy trigger finger. Yes, he could leave in a year and a half, but it's not like the Suns have a chance of getting a comparable talent in free agency or the draft. Ayton can't be included, however; that's just madness.

 

[Proximo]

But that's like saying "I can't get the girl because I am not self-confident, so I am not going to even try."

The reason this team is bottom 5 and the owner is the worst is exactly BECAUSE they dink around with stupid conservative thinking. "Hire cheap, conservative deals, just don't get robbed in a trade." That's loser thinking.

No it's more like saying I need to at least have a job before I go after a 10.

 

[Mainstreet]

It looks like Mo Bamba will miss time with a stress fracture in his left leg.

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[devilalum]

Lakers losing by 30 in Indiana.
Fans chanting, “Lebron’s gonna trade you.”


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[Hoop Head]

OK. But just for the sake of argument.

Toronto was not a team that Kahwi wanted to go to. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...rs-reports-say-and-lakers-are-his-top-choice/
OKC was not where PG wanted to go. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/18/paul-george-free-agency-los-angeles-lakers
Boston is not on AD's list but that is not stopping Ainge from going all in.
Boston was not on Kyrie's list of teams. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20124505/kyrie-irving-seeking-trade-cleveland-cavaliers
Dallas was not on Kristaps list of teams. https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-new...lippers-but-not-mavs-list-trade-destinations/

I think Paul George is the best example because OKC was never mentioned as a destination for anyone and they came out of nowhere to get him, plus he re-upped there.

I know Davis is different because he signed with Rich Paul and he wouldn't have done that unless they talked about him joining Lebron down the line. It's a bigger gamble and not one the Suns should make if they need to include Ayton in a deal but if Rich Paul weren't involved then I would be all for gambling on winning him over and talking him into staying. The Rich Paul/Lebron connection in this case is too much to ignore though. I'm not even thinking about any past dealings Paul has had with the Suns either. Davis and Lebron will end up together somehow, I think, and it may end up costing him a lot of money to make it happen because if he's not traded to LA then he'll need to go there in free agency in 2 years and he'll be walking away from a better deal from the team that holds his bird rights.

 

[Western Font]

What do you mean? The league did exactly that with Popovich and the Spurs a few years ago.

Did exactly what? They fined the Spurs for resting players during a nationally televised visit to Miami. None of these players had demanded a trade or were involved in trade talks.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yeah that seems like an offer you can’t refuse. That’s literally a starting 5 of young guys and potentially two off the bench. It’s not a good team but a completely reconstructed young team immediately.

Would you take that package for Booker if it was offered?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Would you take that package for Booker if it was offered and he only had one season left under contract and had announced he wouldn't re-sign?

FTFY.

 

[sunsfan88]

FTFY.

Relax, mine post purely hypothetical.

Just wanted to make that clear before anyone brings out the pitchforks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But that's like saying "I can't get the girl because I am not self-confident, so I am not going to even try."

The reason this team is bottom 5 and the owner is the worst is exactly BECAUSE they dink around with stupid conservative thinking. "Hire cheap, conservative deals, just don't get robbed in a trade." That's loser thinking.

That’s a terrible analogy. If you strike out with the girl, nothing lost but a dignity. If you strike out with Davis you’re out Davis and all the assets you just sent away to acquire him.