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A lineup with Ayton and Harrell on the court at the same time will almost certainly suck out loud on offense.

The Suns best looks this year featured Oubre and Bridges as the fowards.

Harrell was most often paired with JaMychal Green in the front court, Green almost exclusively shoots from the outside.

Having 2 guys on the court who are zero threat from distance at the same time is a recipe for failure.

I hope that the Suns are not at all interested in investing in a traditional power forward. With Ayton on the court we don't need one. We need better spacing and athleticism.

I really liked Oubre and Bridges at forward but they couldn't stop opponents pounding the ball inside. It became a routine method of attacking the Suns on offense. When they sagged, opponents shot 3s over the top. I think the Suns will minimally need to add some athletic, defensive minded 4/5 players to stop this.

Perhaps if Ayton were more dominant on defense it wouldn't be as necessary.

If the Suns decide to move on from Saric, any players you like?
 

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Saw this yesterday, meant to post it here. It's a solid right up by Valley of the Suns about how they should target Christian Woods in free agency. He is a realistic option and someone I'm a fan of. I started paying attention when the Kennard rumors started because while I like Kennard, I didn't think he was worth a 1st on his own given his injury history and including Woods would have made a deal much more palatable.

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/04/14/free-agent-phoenix-suns-playoffs/
 

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I really liked Oubre and Bridges at forward but they couldn't stop opponents pounding the ball inside. It became a routine method of attacking the Suns on offense. When they sagged, opponents shot 3s over the top. I think the Suns will minimally need to add some athletic, defensive minded 4/5 players to stop this.

Perhaps if Ayton were more dominant on defense it wouldn't be as necessary.

If the Suns decide to move on from Saric, any players you like?

From the draft, I think Toppin would be a good fit. I also think that Serge Ibaka would be a really good stop gap if we can't find someone in the draft.

I also think if you look up or defensive efficiency with Oubre, Bridges and Ayton on the court you'd be floored. Them, along with Booker and Rubio were one of the best two way lineups in the entire league last year. Unfortunately the bench was bad and those 5 didn't get much court time together because of injuries, suspensions and the terribly misguided Ayton/Baynes combo experiment.

What we need more than anything is more depth. I wouldn't mind at all if we had the same starting 5 (Rubio, Booker, Bridgers, Oubre, Ayton) at the start of next year. Give those guys a good bench squad to back them up and fill in when gets get banged up and I think we'd have a pretty damn good team.
 
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From the draft, I think Toppin would be a good fit. I also think that Serge Ibaka would be a really good stop gap if we can't find someone in the draft.

I also think if you look up or defensive efficiency with Oubre, Bridges and Ayton on the court you'd be floored. Them, along with Booker and Rubio were one of the best two way lineups in the entire league last year. Unfortunately the bench was bad and those 5 didn't get much court time together because of injuries, suspensions and the terribly misguided Ayton/Baynes combo experiment.

What we need more than anything is more depth. I wouldn't mind at all if we had the same starting 5 (Rubio, Booker, Bridgers, Oubre, Ayton) at the start of next year. Give those guys a good bench squad to back them up and fill in when gets get banged up and I think we'd have a pretty damn good team.

Yeah, not having an adequate bench and injuries killed the Suns.

I like Ibaka and he would look good in a Suns uniform. We agree there. Wish he were younger as he will be 31 in the fall. The Suns will need some luck in the lottery to get Toppin.

Most recently in the lottery simulator in about 12 tries I was able to get the Suns to draft #1, #2 but mostly #10 and #11 so who knows.

I do like Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Oubre and Ayton as starters unless the Suns make a big splash in free agency.

Depth behind them is critical. Give me a couple of athletic defenders who defend the 4/5 and I will feel much better even if they are depth.
 

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Yeah, not having an adequate bench and injuries killed the Suns.

I like Ibaka and he would look good in a Suns uniform. We agree there. Wish he were younger as he will be 31 in the fall. The Suns will need some luck in the lottery to get Toppin.

Most recently in the lottery simulator in about 12 tries I was able to get the Suns to draft #1, #2 but mostly #10 and #11 so who knows.

I do like Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Oubre and Ayton as starters unless the Suns make a big splash in free agency.

Depth behind them is critical. Give me a couple of athletic defenders who defend the 4/5 and I will feel much better even if they are depth.

Saw an article about Dragic being a potential target as a backup PG/instant offense off the bench. He's be a solid backup PG and help keep the offense going while Rubio and Booker get some rest. Get him a big to work the pick & roll/pop with and put shooters, defenders, and rebounders out there with him, and we could have a good second unit.

I can't see Miami spending much to keep him now that he's not a starter there anymore, so he'll be looking for a new home. I think Dallas will try to get him also and he might start there but he won't be the "PG" because Luka will still run their offense.

I guess it depends on how things shake out this summer but if Dragic were willing to accept a bench role, and reserve pay, I'd be fine with bringing him back on a 2 year deal in the neighborhood of $15 million total, so $7.5 a year.
 
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Saw an article about Dragic being a potential target as a backup PG/instant offense off the bench. He's be a solid backup PG and help keep the offense going while Rubio and Booker get some rest. Get him a big to work the pick & roll/pop with and put shooters, defenders, and rebounders out there with him, and we could have a good second unit.

I can't see Miami spending much to keep him now that he's not a starter there anymore, so he'll be looking for a new home. I think Dallas will try to get him also and he might start there but he won't be the "PG" because Luka will still run their offense.

I guess it depends on how things shake out this summer but if Dragic were willing to accept a bench role, and reserve pay, I'd be fine with bringing him back on a 2 year deal in the neighborhood of $15 million total, so $7.5 a year.

Third time is the charm? I don't think so but stranger things have happened. Dragic and the Suns are like a bad marriage. Dallas seems like a more likely destination. Porzingis, Doncic and Dragic looks to be a nice fit.
 
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I think this will appeal to a lot of top prospects who would otherwise go to college.

California high school star Jalen Green, the No. 1 prospect in the 2020 ESPN 100, is making the leap to a reshaped NBA professional pathway program -- a G League initiative that sources say will pay elite prospects $500,000-plus and provide a one-year development program outside of the minor league's traditional team structure.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...player-jalen-green-enter-nba-g-league-pathway
 

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It was nice to see Eddie House contribute something in this game, even though it might have been 4 points. I was bummed how he was shut down in this series.
I liked Eddie House.
 

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Probably nothing.

He and his family are going to be living in Las Vegas in a couple of months.:D
 
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The local Warriors channel is showing old playoff games and Warrior classics now. Right now it's the 2013 playoff series with Denver. They have interesting behind the scenes stuff, interviews etc.

This was the series that really set up the run. David Lee got hurt in this series so they were starting 3 guards with Jarrett Jack, Steph and Klay, Bogut and rookie Harrison Barnes. Draymond was coming off the bench and playing well enough that it made it apparent to them he had a real future.

Denver had both Iguodala and Javale McGee. Iggy in a side interview said he decided during that series he wanted to play with the Warriors, realize at the time Denver was the 3 seed in the West(Warriors 6th) so it wasn't like he was on a terrible team looking to get to a better one. he said coming into that series I was really focused on Barnes because he was the guy I was going to guard, I thought he was going to be really good. I knew Steph was good but I had no idea how good Klay was(2nd year). Playing that series convinced me those 2 were special and I wanted to be part of that. He went to the Warriors a few months later in a 3 team trade.

They had 3 Centers on that roster, Bogut, Ezeli and Biedrins, Biedrins was in the trade to get Iggy. They had hired Kerr as head coach a couple of months earlier and he was instrumental in recruiting Iggy(Arizona) but Iggy said I already wanted to play there, I had told both Steph and Klay I wanted to.

Iggy came in 2014, and said he spent the next 2 years trying to convince the Warriors to get McGee, they didn't listen to him right away. 2016 they signed him to a make good contract and of course he made the roster and was a key guy off the bench.

It's always interesting to me how teams develop, Lee getting hurt turned out to be a franchise changer because it gave Draymond more minutes and they realized how good he was. Bogut in 2013 was one of the better defensive centers in the NBA but he had that long history of injuries, so they had that time in 14 and 15 when Bogut would be hurt and they basically just had Ezeli as the C(because they traded Biedrins) so they experimented off and on with Draymond at the 5. Ezeli of course had major injuries himself and they had to play Green now and then at teh 5, not very much, the so called Death lineup was new in 15 and they really didn't play it that much until the finals against Cleveland, but they'd been toying with the idea for 2 years because Bogut or Ezeli would get hurt, which eventually led to them deciding they needed another rim protector which was why they finally listened to Iggy and signed McGee.

Iggy actually said he knew his first year they were going to be really good but he was surprised they made the finals in 2015, he thought the team did that a year ahead of schedule.

Also funny to see Warriors players in that series being interviewed talking about how much they loved Mark Jackson, not long after he is fired and we find out the players didn't really like him much at all.
 

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Just a note with that Yahoo article about Dion Waiters, you can skip it and go straight to the Players Tribune piece he wrote since all the Yahoo article does is recap that while adding a little context to some things he said. Here is a link to the Player's Tribune article...

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/24-dion-waiters-nba-los-angeles-lakers

Whoever wrote the piece for Yahoo doesn't seem to understand why Waiters is upset that reports came out that he had a seizure. He questions it but doesn't come to a conclusion, really. I think one of the main reasons Waiters is mad about that is he's a professional athlete and there aren't many pro athletes who have seizures disorders. I think it points more towards him being done than he's comfortable with and he doesn't want that narrative out there, that he has health issues beyond your average NBA injury like broken bones, torn muscles, etc. I could be wrong in that but it's my guess based on reading Waiters piece.

Either way, his career isn't over since he signed with the Lakers but we'll see who gives him a chance this offseason because I doubt he sticks with the Lakers that long. He seemed more like a midseason waiver wire addition than piece for the future.
 

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The local Warriors channel is showing old playoff games and Warrior classics now. Right now it's the 2013 playoff series with Denver. They have interesting behind the scenes stuff, interviews etc.

This was the series that really set up the run. David Lee got hurt in this series so they were starting 3 guards with Jarrett Jack, Steph and Klay, Bogut and rookie Harrison Barnes. Draymond was coming off the bench and playing well enough that it made it apparent to them he had a real future.

Denver had both Iguodala and Javale McGee. Iggy in a side interview said he decided during that series he wanted to play with the Warriors, realize at the time Denver was the 3 seed in the West(Warriors 6th) so it wasn't like he was on a terrible team looking to get to a better one. he said coming into that series I was really focused on Barnes because he was the guy I was going to guard, I thought he was going to be really good. I knew Steph was good but I had no idea how good Klay was(2nd year). Playing that series convinced me those 2 were special and I wanted to be part of that. He went to the Warriors a few months later in a 3 team trade.

They had 3 Centers on that roster, Bogut, Ezeli and Biedrins, Biedrins was in the trade to get Iggy. They had hired Kerr as head coach a couple of months earlier and he was instrumental in recruiting Iggy(Arizona) but Iggy said I already wanted to play there, I had told both Steph and Klay I wanted to.

Iggy came in 2014, and said he spent the next 2 years trying to convince the Warriors to get McGee, they didn't listen to him right away. 2016 they signed him to a make good contract and of course he made the roster and was a key guy off the bench.

It's always interesting to me how teams develop, Lee getting hurt turned out to be a franchise changer because it gave Draymond more minutes and they realized how good he was. Bogut in 2013 was one of the better defensive centers in the NBA but he had that long history of injuries, so they had that time in 14 and 15 when Bogut would be hurt and they basically just had Ezeli as the C(because they traded Biedrins) so they experimented off and on with Draymond at the 5. Ezeli of course had major injuries himself and they had to play Green now and then at teh 5, not very much, the so called Death lineup was new in 15 and they really didn't play it that much until the finals against Cleveland, but they'd been toying with the idea for 2 years because Bogut or Ezeli would get hurt, which eventually led to them deciding they needed another rim protector which was why they finally listened to Iggy and signed McGee.

Iggy actually said he knew his first year they were going to be really good but he was surprised they made the finals in 2015, he thought the team did that a year ahead of schedule.

Also funny to see Warriors players in that series being interviewed talking about how much they loved Mark Jackson, not long after he is fired and we find out the players didn't really like him much at all.

Love seeing your posts, especially in this downtime because you're good at setting the scene when discussing various points in basketball history. Hope you and yours are doing well during these crazy times.

I remember that finals was quite entertaining but didn't realize it was as competitive as it was until I was looking over the box scores recently, after reading your post. I remember it going 6 games but I guess I forgot the Cavs were up 2-1 headed into game 4. It seemed momentum swung in game 3 despite the Cavalier win towards the Warriors when they had David Lee on the court at Center for them. I remember Lee being a vital part of the Warriors in that series but he didn't play at all in game 1 or 2. In game 3 he had a +17 in 13 minutes playing while all of the Warrior starters posted negative plus/minus'.

The Warriors started their "death lineup" in game 4 with Curry, Thompson, Iggy, Barnes, and Green but despite those 5 starting, I think Lee deserves a lot of credit for convincing Kerr to play without a traditional Center because of what he did in game 3 and then they had their way with the Cavs in game 4, winning by 21, and Lee was the only big to see any real playing time off the bench for them. Bogut played 2 minutes and 40 seconds and Speights played 2 minutes to David Lee's 15:28. The next game the Warriors didn't play Bogut or Speights but played Ezeli for 3 minutes and Lee played 9 minutes in the Warriors 13 point win, which gave them the 3-2 lead.

I think Bogut might have been hurt in his final appearance in game 4, I remember him getting hurt at some point in that series but they didn't really need him at that point. I do recall talk of how they would need to choose between Bogut and Lee because they couldn't afford to bring both back without paying luxury tax money but they moved Lee, who was more important in that finals, IMO. Lee wasn't quite done yet either. He had 2 seasons at least producing similarly to his last in Golden State. I know he was overpaid but that was really only an obstacle for that 1 season after their title win.

Usually a team that just wins a title, like the Warriors did, don't look to shed salary like that. We've seen since then that the Warriors aren't concerned with luxury tax payments either so it seems strange they dumped a key rotation player like that, even if he wasn't a big part of the entire playoff run. Do you recall any more about why they moved Lee? I could probably find it but like I said, I enjoy your takes and would like to know how a fan viewed that situation since he was the only rotation player they moved from the 2015 title team
 

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Love seeing your posts, especially in this downtime because you're good at setting the scene when discussing various points in basketball history. Hope you and yours are doing well during these crazy times.

I remember that finals was quite entertaining but didn't realize it was as competitive as it was until I was looking over the box scores recently, after reading your post. I remember it going 6 games but I guess I forgot the Cavs were up 2-1 headed into game 4. It seemed momentum swung in game 3 despite the Cavalier win towards the Warriors when they had David Lee on the court at Center for them. I remember Lee being a vital part of the Warriors in that series but he didn't play at all in game 1 or 2. In game 3 he had a +17 in 13 minutes playing while all of the Warrior starters posted negative plus/minus'.

The Warriors started their "death lineup" in game 4 with Curry, Thompson, Iggy, Barnes, and Green but despite those 5 starting, I think Lee deserves a lot of credit for convincing Kerr to play without a traditional Center because of what he did in game 3 and then they had their way with the Cavs in game 4, winning by 21, and Lee was the only big to see any real playing time off the bench for them. Bogut played 2 minutes and 40 seconds and Speights played 2 minutes to David Lee's 15:28. The next game the Warriors didn't play Bogut or Speights but played Ezeli for 3 minutes and Lee played 9 minutes in the Warriors 13 point win, which gave them the 3-2 lead.

I think Bogut might have been hurt in his final appearance in game 4, I remember him getting hurt at some point in that series but they didn't really need him at that point. I do recall talk of how they would need to choose between Bogut and Lee because they couldn't afford to bring both back without paying luxury tax money but they moved Lee, who was more important in that finals, IMO. Lee wasn't quite done yet either. He had 2 seasons at least producing similarly to his last in Golden State. I know he was overpaid but that was really only an obstacle for that 1 season after their title win.

Usually a team that just wins a title, like the Warriors did, don't look to shed salary like that. We've seen since then that the Warriors aren't concerned with luxury tax payments either so it seems strange they dumped a key rotation player like that, even if he wasn't a big part of the entire playoff run. Do you recall any more about why they moved Lee? I could probably find it but like I said, I enjoy your takes and would like to know how a fan viewed that situation since he was the only rotation player they moved from the 2015 title team


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Yes Lee was big in that series after not playing the first 2 games. He came in at the end of game 3, it was a loss but he played well in the 4th and Curry got loose in the 4th which was pivotal the rest of the way. The 2013 series with Denver, Bogut was great, in the one game he had double digit points, 20 plus rebounds and 4 blocks, he and Ezeli were dominant. But by 2015, Ezeli had missed much of the season, and Bogut was in and out with injuries. I think it was game 4 or 5 in the first finals with Cleveland Ezeli had a huge quarter, like 8 and 4 boards 2 blocks, 2 huge dunks. Too bad on him he had an absolutely amazing career I was reading up on him last night for some reason he came up on my phone feed.

He graduated HS at 14 in Nigeria, came to the US with family, and went to live with his uncle in Yuba City which is somewhat close to Sacramento. his uncle tried to teach him basketball because he was 6'5" hated it. Next year he enrolled at Jesuit HS in Sacramento, and got cut from the HS team, he was 6'8". He kept at it, graduated early went to a local JC for part time classes and was working out with Guss Armstead, local trainer in Sac, his son plays for the 49ers now, Arik Armstead. Ezeli was still totally raw but Guss and some other local guys got him into an AAU program, he was big, 6'11" by then, and very athletic. He was in a tournament in Las Vegas, had his first ever dunk in a game(he'd dunked in practices) and he said I was in traffic just went up and dunked, it was awesome. After the game he had like 7 scholarship offers on the spot. Was a terrific student, he wanted to go to college and needed the scholarship so he stuck with it, went to Vandy, redshirted and wound up an NBA first rounder. Knees ended his career. Had a cadaver ligament transplant surgery, and was trying to make the 2020 Nigerian Olympic team which is now postponed. Was living in Elk Grove in Sacramento(I lived there for about a year gf's sister lives there). Just a great guy.

But you look at that 2015 team and think IF Bogut and Ezeli stayed healthy they were going to be a "dynasty" even without signing Durant, they were both hurt and they let them both walk and got Durant. I always liked Lee, in the 2013 series he came back trying to play with a serious hip injury, said he just wanted to be part of it. Very good offensive player, just not good enough defensively.

If you watch the 2013 team you think that team is really good, has a chance to be special but it was still unclear if Curry's ankles were going to ever be 100% again, they already had injuries to Bogut and it turns out Ezeli had knee surgery that offseason. Getting Iggy made that team, and then figuring out the perfect role for Draymond.

I really hope we have a season next year I honestly want to see what this team looks like without KD again, I want to see Draymond, Curry, Klay, Paschall, etc. I want to see if they can get back close to that 2015-2016 2 year run pre KD. They won't have Bogut or Ezeli but they have some nice pieces and talented youth.
 
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