Suns @ Bucks Tuesday game thread 4-1-2025

[Cheesebeef]

they don't count it as a missed or *attempted field goal when the shooter is fouled

*unless they make it lol

It’s bewildering to me that someone who watches as much basketball as everyone does here doesn’t know the basic facts above.

 

[95pro]

they don't count it as a missed or *attempted field goal when the shooter is fouled

*unless they make it lol

it's how players can go perfect from the field and the line

It literally says "'this is marking the numbers work...'

*virtually* is the key word

 

[Hoop Head]

It literally says "'this is marking the numbers work...'

*virtually* is the key word

Got to ignore the pettiness. Suns have been bad so long some have taken to seeking pyrrhic victories trying to act smarter from the sidelines.

 

[Ronin]

Alright.
That's enough.
I've let enough of the jabs go on but I'm asking everyone to stop it before it gets ugly.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I saw that headline before I saw the score, but my first thought was, "Great. We lost by 40 again." Surprised it was only 10.

OF courseee lol cards suns always give other teams good stat breakers lol

 

[mjb21aztd]

Can’t wait until this season is over

420 soap kush rip deepppp ink cosigned!!!

 

[Hoop Head]

420 soap kush rip deepppp ink cosigned!!!

Love your positivity. Been meaning to ask if you've ever tried a THC infused beverage that you'd recommend? Alcohol free. Let me know.

 

[Phrazbit]

When we extend Booker to that insane contract, this season (and likely MUCH WORSE) is going to be on repeat for years.

Yeah... THAT will be what does us in...

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah... THAT will be what does us in...

I agree with your not-so-subtle KD reference but he's not exactly wrong. Paying Devin 70 million per to be an average point guard is going to raise the misery stakes and ensure we don't accidentally find our way out of the darkness for many years to come.

 

[Hoop Head]

I agree with your not-so-subtle KD reference but he's not exactly wrong. Paying Devin 70 million per to be an average point guard is going to raise the misery stakes and ensure we don't accidentally find our way out of the darkness for many years to come.

I don't think anyone is calling for Book to be the PG. Personally I don't think it makes much a difference whether he stays or goes. If we can't get our picks back though then we need to be semi-competitive just to make sure we aren't handing over top 3 lottery picks to the teams who control them. We're in a dark place and there's no way out entirely. It's just a matter of how dark you're comfortable in. I'm not ok seeing another team win the lottery with our picks though and it sucks we went from being in the finals to this because our new owner decided to swing for the fences on a shortsighted gamble.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think anyone is calling for Book to be the PG. Personally I don't think it makes much a difference whether he stays or goes. If we can't get our picks back though then we need to be semi-competitive just to make sure we aren't handing over top 3 lottery picks to the teams who control them. We're in a dark place and there's no way out entirely. It's just a matter of how dark you're comfortable in. I'm not ok seeing another team win the lottery with our picks though and it sucks we went from being in the finals to this because our new owner decided to swing for the fences on a shortsighted gamble.

I know you're not the only one feeling that way but to me, it's not even an issue. All I care about is our future, I could care less about the optics as the damage has already been done. Whether that pick nets someone the next Tim Duncan or the next Olowokandi matters not to me. Hell, I might even offer to tank once or twice if the team that benefits tosses us a bone for doing so. Wouldn't the Commissioner love that!

 

[Hoop Head]

I know you're not the only one feeling that way but to me, it's not even an issue. All I care about is our future, I could care less about the optics as the damage has already been done. Whether that pick nets someone the next Tim Duncan or the next Olowokandi matters not to me. Hell, I might even offer to tank once or twice if the team that benefits tosses us a bone for doing so. Wouldn't the Commissioner love that!

I would rather tune out for a few years than root for another to benefit from our misfortunes. We are going to lose, we can avoid becoming a perpetual bottom feeder along the way. It takes years to wipe that losing stink away. See the Cardinals as an example. They were a joke for decades and couldn't attract top tier talent except for negotiating purposes, see Joe Montana or Peyton Manning for big examples. Once you become the joke it's hard to erase that. The Hornets in the NBA are an example of that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would rather tune out for a few years than root for another to benefit from our misfortunes. We are going to lose, we can avoid becoming a perpetual bottom feeder along the way. It takes years to wipe that losing stink away. See the Cardinals as an example. They were a joke for decades and couldn't attract top tier talent except for negotiating purposes, see Joe Montana or Peyton Manning for big examples. Once you become the joke it's hard to erase that. The Hornets in the NBA are an example of that.

I don't disagree but to me, we're already there. We are a joke when we're considered at all and every informed fan and media personality knows we'll be trending even lower for quite awhile.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah... THAT will be what does us in...

Already said that the KD deal did us in. But extending Booker and building around his complete and utter lack of leadership and skills to even be a great number 2 while paying him more than almost every number 1 AND continuing to be a joke (which we’ve pretty much been every single year of Booker’s career without CP3) will do us in for even longer. That just seems beyond pointless to me when we could get assets for the future to start rebuilding.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't disagree but to me, we're already there. We are a joke when we're considered at all and every informed fan and media personality knows we'll be trending even lower for quite awhile.

I disagree on us being a joke now and being stuck there. I think we can sink lower, see Brooklyn or Houston picking top 3 with our pick. There's levels to it and we don't need to sink to the depths Brooklyn/NJ did when they essentially built Boston's championship team from the failed KG/Paul Pierce experiment. That's extra pain and suffering that can be avoided.

 

[Mainstreet]

There needs to be a compromise solution. I'm tired of this 100 out 100 stuff.

The Suns owe the fans the best front office personnel, GM and scouts they can find. Spend on them like they did for Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

I want to like the product they put on the court, both now and in the future.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There needs to be a compromise solution. I'm tired of this 100 out 100 stuff.

The Suns owe the fans the best front office personnel, GM and scouts they can find. Spend on them like they did for Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

Now that I can agree with 100%. Our scouting and cap management/salary allotment is going to have to be out of this world the next couple years to get us out of this mess.

 

[leclerc]

Agreed.

Personally I wouldn't give Devin the supermax. Results matter. Roster quality and flexibility matters. If he gets upset when not offered the max then that is unfortunate but there are plenty others wanting to play basketball for that kind of money.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I disagree on us being a joke now and being stuck there. I think we can sink lower, see Brooklyn or Houston picking top 3 with our pick. There's levels to it and we don't need to sink to the depths Brooklyn/NJ did when they essentially built Boston's championship team from the failed KG/Paul Pierce experiment. That's extra pain and suffering that can be avoided.

I did say this, that we're going to sink even lower. But I can't find a single reason to be optimistic enough to think that we won't sink lower than NJ did following their disastrous trade. They were in as bad of shape as we are but New Jersey/Brooklyn didn't have their hands tied by a CBA designed to penalize and handcuff franchises that try and buy a championship. I'd love to believe we're not totally screwed but nothing I've seen from our Front Office makes me believe they can find a way out of this mess. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Covert Rain]

The game was much closer near the end than a 10pt lead will tell you. It was a 4 point game near the end of the game. It was much closer than the score says and was far from an empty stat Book game.

Empty stat refers to players who put up huge numbers but still lose like we did. It's only one game and we will see how he does over this next stretch. If Book starts putting up these numbers and winning that's different.

 

[Covert Rain]

Already said that the KD deal did us in. But extending Booker and building around his complete and utter lack of leadership and skills to even be a great number 2 while paying him more than almost every number 1 AND continuing to be a joke (which we’ve pretty much been every single year of Booker’s career without CP3) will do us in for even longer. That just seems beyond pointless to me when we could get assets for the future to start rebuilding.

So much this. If we build around a #2 who inconstantly plays like a #2 and pay him Supermax? Outside of another monumental trade bringing in a legit #1? We are destined to rinse and repeat. Even then the argument can be made that won't work since he has already played with two HOF players and we have not gotten it done.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So much this. If we build around a #2 who inconstantly plays like a #2 and pay him Supermax? Outside of another monumental trade bringing in a legit #1? We are destined to rinse and repeat. Even then the argument can be made that won't work since he has already played with two HOF players and we have not gotten it done.

I think Devin can still be elite-ish (as in top 20 or so) but he needs to improve his 3 point shooting and he needs to be someplace where he is always playing the 2 spot. If he has to cover another position, it needs to be small forward not point guard. But I don't want to be the team paying 70 million a year for his skill set.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Devin can still be elite-ish (as in top 20 or so) but he needs to improve his 3 point shooting and he needs to be someplace where he is always playing the 2 spot. If he has to cover another position, it needs to be small forward not point guard. But I don't want to be the team paying 70 million a year for his skill set.

IMO, Devin Booker isn't the problem. He might even take less than a super max deal when the time comes around.

Listening to Gambo, I understand Devin Booker is not going to play through another rebuild and the Suns are indeed keeping him. I suppose this could change, if the Suns have to completely rebuild, but this seems to be what it looks like at the moment. Needless to say, the Suns need to trade Durant and get meaningful talent and draft picks in return. Other players such as O'Neale and Allen could be traded as well to get below the second tax apron.

Getting rid of Beal's contract is a wild card. In the right trade, if the Suns could acquire multiple first round picks such as in a Durant trade, I could see the Suns having to attach assets to trade Beal.

Having three huge contracts on the payroll is simply too much and the Suns are finally realizing this.

 

[Covert Rain]

IMO, Devin Booker isn't the problem. He might even take less than a super max deal when the time comes around.

Listening to Gambo, I understand Devin Booker is not going to play through another rebuild and the Suns are indeed keeping him. I suppose this could change, if the Suns have to completely rebuild, but this seems to be what it looks like at the moment. Needless to say, the Suns need to trade Durant and get meaningful talent and draft picks in return. Other players such as O'Neale and Allen could be traded as well to get below the second tax apron.

Getting rid of Beal's contract is a wild card. In the right trade, if the Suns could acquire multiple first round picks such as in a Durant trade, I could see the Suns having to attach assets to trade Beal.

Having three huge contracts on the payroll is simply too much and the Suns are finally realizing this.

This is pointless unless it’s a number one. From the sounds of it Isbia agrees. He sounded like he is going to take a “million swings” if needed per Shams. Take that for what it is but it sure sounds like he knows Book can’t be your best player. If he is that’s when Book becomes part of the problem IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is pointless unless it’s a number one. From the sounds of it Isbia agrees. He sounded like he is going to take a “million swings” if needed per Shams. Take that for what it is but it sure sounds like he knows Book can’t be your best player. If he is that’s when Book becomes part of the problem IMO.

It's much easier to field a competitive team with one star than zero stars.

At least with two stars, it's possible to build a contender. We saw that when the Suns added Chris Paul to a core of young players including Devin Booker.

After drafting Devin Booker in 2015, the last previous star they drafted and kept was Amare Stoudemire in 2002.

The NBA Draft offers no guarantees, especially when a team doesn't own their own picks.