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NastyOne
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Well i just finished watching the game on MSG since im in NewYork, and ill recap what i saw from a few of the players i payed attention to.
Amare Stoudemire: Amare has really impressed me so far this summer, hes developed some more post moves, and its come in handy since hes not blowing by people and giving them facials.His jumpshot looks great even though he missed a few(swished the college three and looked so natural shooting it).And his passing is clearly so much better than before and will be a great addition to the team when the season starts.Plus hes really got that spin move down pat, and when he gets his legs back hes going to kill with that move when he does it and then dunks in someones mug.
Romain Sato: I'm going to say right now that he doesnt make the Suns.Why? Cause hes a undersized two guard and his handle is weak as hell, and he can't shoot.You don't even notice him on offense cause he passes the ball as soon as he gets it.And when he gets it on a fast break his handle makes it look like hes rushing things cause hes not comfortable controlling the ball.
Maciej Lampe: Hes going to make the team just because hes big and can really shoot the ball well, but he really needs to work on his defense and working in the post.But his rebounding looks better than his first go around with us.
Lionel Chalmers: I like this kid and i think he has a legit shot to make the team, but hes needs to do something more than just shoot(Even if he does that very well).His defense leaves alot to be desired and he makes some good looking passes here and there, but his overall playmaking abilities and court vision is below par for a point guard.
Britton Johnsen: He needs to stop playing scared, it seems like he wants to get rid of the ball when he gets it, even though he has a decent outside shot, and very few bigmen can stay infront of him when he puts it on the floor and attack.So he needs to starts playing with some intensity and stop playing like a softer poor mans Keith Van Horn.He has the skills, but wheres the heart? Britton needs to hang out with Amare and Owens and learn some things about playing with fire.
Chris Owens: He better make the team! I love the way this guy plays the game on defense and offense.I really want to see this guy make the team and push guys in practice and get garbage minutes whenever possible.We need guys at the end of the bench that play hard nonstop.
Amare Stoudemire: Amare has really impressed me so far this summer, hes developed some more post moves, and its come in handy since hes not blowing by people and giving them facials.His jumpshot looks great even though he missed a few(swished the college three and looked so natural shooting it).And his passing is clearly so much better than before and will be a great addition to the team when the season starts.Plus hes really got that spin move down pat, and when he gets his legs back hes going to kill with that move when he does it and then dunks in someones mug.
Romain Sato: I'm going to say right now that he doesnt make the Suns.Why? Cause hes a undersized two guard and his handle is weak as hell, and he can't shoot.You don't even notice him on offense cause he passes the ball as soon as he gets it.And when he gets it on a fast break his handle makes it look like hes rushing things cause hes not comfortable controlling the ball.
Maciej Lampe: Hes going to make the team just because hes big and can really shoot the ball well, but he really needs to work on his defense and working in the post.But his rebounding looks better than his first go around with us.
Lionel Chalmers: I like this kid and i think he has a legit shot to make the team, but hes needs to do something more than just shoot(Even if he does that very well).His defense leaves alot to be desired and he makes some good looking passes here and there, but his overall playmaking abilities and court vision is below par for a point guard.
Britton Johnsen: He needs to stop playing scared, it seems like he wants to get rid of the ball when he gets it, even though he has a decent outside shot, and very few bigmen can stay infront of him when he puts it on the floor and attack.So he needs to starts playing with some intensity and stop playing like a softer poor mans Keith Van Horn.He has the skills, but wheres the heart? Britton needs to hang out with Amare and Owens and learn some things about playing with fire.
Chris Owens: He better make the team! I love the way this guy plays the game on defense and offense.I really want to see this guy make the team and push guys in practice and get garbage minutes whenever possible.We need guys at the end of the bench that play hard nonstop.
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Just saw the box score.
Amare was 10/16 24pts. 4/4FTs 1Reb 7PF 0 turnovers 3 blocked shots
Amare was 10/16 24pts. 4/4FTs 1Reb 7PF 0 turnovers 3 blocked shots
NastyOne
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ActingWild said:Just saw the box score.
Amare was 10/16 24pts. 4/4FTs 1Reb 7PF 0 turnovers 3 blocked shots
And the great thing about his 24pts is that he doesnt even look like hes trying out there.Mostly just floating around and getting back into basketball shape.
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Unfortunately, these games are too much like the Orlando combine in that they haven't had much chance to play together. Shoot too much, pass too quickly, etc. are common atrrbutes of getting guys together who are trying too hard and not knowing what they are doing. It will be interesting to see how things progress.
BTW, if Lampe can rebound, he's a lock to make the team. When he was here before, he was too passive except for shooting. Rebounding is a lot about effort.
BTW, if Lampe can rebound, he's a lock to make the team. When he was here before, he was too passive except for shooting. Rebounding is a lot about effort.
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http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=534263&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=324
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Stoudemire again impresses in victory
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 9, 2006 12:00 AM
LAS VEGAS - Amaré Stoudemire found the dunk file in his body's motion Rolodex. Up next, rebounding.
Stoudemire played a second straight night at the Vegas Summer League and was again impressive, scoring 24 on 10-of-16 shooting Saturday but had only one rebound off a free throw in 27 minutes of Phoenix's 89-70 win over New York.
Stoudemire, who did not dunk Friday, opened the game with the first of three dunks. Two were easy one-handers on breakaways and the other overhead jam came off a post spin against David Lee, whom he faced mostly after Channing Frye left with an ankle sprain.
"It's doing great, especially confidence-wise to come out and play strong back to back," Stoudemire said. "I'm just trying to keep making progress."
Suns coach Phil Weber said he saw a glimmer in Stoudemire's eye Saturday morning when his legs responded well to Friday's 21-point game.
"A lot of times, he was unguardable," Weber said.
Stoudemire had seven fouls for the second game but had a better defensive game. Offensively, he hit mostly jumpers but had two power moves and a behind-the-back pass.
"For all the non-believers, don't ever doubt me," he said.
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 9, 2006 12:00 AM
LAS VEGAS - Amaré Stoudemire found the dunk file in his body's motion Rolodex. Up next, rebounding.
Stoudemire played a second straight night at the Vegas Summer League and was again impressive, scoring 24 on 10-of-16 shooting Saturday but had only one rebound off a free throw in 27 minutes of Phoenix's 89-70 win over New York.
Stoudemire, who did not dunk Friday, opened the game with the first of three dunks. Two were easy one-handers on breakaways and the other overhead jam came off a post spin against David Lee, whom he faced mostly after Channing Frye left with an ankle sprain.
"It's doing great, especially confidence-wise to come out and play strong back to back," Stoudemire said. "I'm just trying to keep making progress."
Suns coach Phil Weber said he saw a glimmer in Stoudemire's eye Saturday morning when his legs responded well to Friday's 21-point game.
"A lot of times, he was unguardable," Weber said.
Stoudemire had seven fouls for the second game but had a better defensive game. Offensively, he hit mostly jumpers but had two power moves and a behind-the-back pass.
"For all the non-believers, don't ever doubt me," he said.
From the East Valley Tribune:
“To come out and play strong back-to-back nights, I feel really good. I can feel the improvement,” said Stoudemire, who hit 10 of 16 shots from the floor although he had only one rebound and committed seven fouls for a second straight night. “That’s the first time I took off one-footed off the (repaired) microfractued leg, so that felt pretty good.”
Is anybody else as blown away by this statement as I am? The FIRST time he's jumped one-footed off his left leg?! That's the leg every right-handed person uses to jump to dunk or lay a ball up! In all this rehab/practice/scrimmaging/playing, he hasn't ever jumped off his left leg?! Not even once?!
It begs the question: has Amare been told by doctors up until now not to jump off his left leg? If so, that's unreal... almost a year after the surgery, and to be told not to try something THAT simple?! The microfracture surgery must be extraordinary in its invasiveness/destructiveness! Not even ACL tears do THAT much damage...
Of course, the alternative explanation is that doctors gave Amare the OK to jump off his left leg a while back, but he still hadn't tried until now due to his own fears. Equally stunning! Amare's mental scars must be worse than he's letting on, particularly if doctors gave him the OK in the past, but he was too afraid to try until now.
I'm most shocked because there's nothing more basic/fundamental than a right handed player jumping off his left leg. Watch the most basic layup drill, and you'll see it done by every player on every single approach to the basket.
Sigh. I don't think any of us appreciate what Amare's been through this past year... physically and mentally. And how far away he still is from ever again being the blazingly quick and explosive player who promised to dominate the league for a decade.
Microfracture = butchery. Amare may still be able to rise above it, but it's more likely he's going to be a different player. Never the rim-rocking lightning bolt we once adored.
“To come out and play strong back-to-back nights, I feel really good. I can feel the improvement,” said Stoudemire, who hit 10 of 16 shots from the floor although he had only one rebound and committed seven fouls for a second straight night. “That’s the first time I took off one-footed off the (repaired) microfractued leg, so that felt pretty good.”
Is anybody else as blown away by this statement as I am? The FIRST time he's jumped one-footed off his left leg?! That's the leg every right-handed person uses to jump to dunk or lay a ball up! In all this rehab/practice/scrimmaging/playing, he hasn't ever jumped off his left leg?! Not even once?!
It begs the question: has Amare been told by doctors up until now not to jump off his left leg? If so, that's unreal... almost a year after the surgery, and to be told not to try something THAT simple?! The microfracture surgery must be extraordinary in its invasiveness/destructiveness! Not even ACL tears do THAT much damage...
Of course, the alternative explanation is that doctors gave Amare the OK to jump off his left leg a while back, but he still hadn't tried until now due to his own fears. Equally stunning! Amare's mental scars must be worse than he's letting on, particularly if doctors gave him the OK in the past, but he was too afraid to try until now.
I'm most shocked because there's nothing more basic/fundamental than a right handed player jumping off his left leg. Watch the most basic layup drill, and you'll see it done by every player on every single approach to the basket.
Sigh. I don't think any of us appreciate what Amare's been through this past year... physically and mentally. And how far away he still is from ever again being the blazingly quick and explosive player who promised to dominate the league for a decade.
Microfracture = butchery. Amare may still be able to rise above it, but it's more likely he's going to be a different player. Never the rim-rocking lightning bolt we once adored.
Errntknght
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Welcome to the board Muggum.
It was surprising to hear him say that... sounds from his wording that he's been jumping off both feet. But it could well mean it's the first time he jumped off one leg other than during rehab drills. I'd certainly expect whoever is directing his rehab to have him doing easy jumps off one leg then gradually working up before he's put in a situation where he might jump hard off on leg.
It was surprising to hear him say that... sounds from his wording that he's been jumping off both feet. But it could well mean it's the first time he jumped off one leg other than during rehab drills. I'd certainly expect whoever is directing his rehab to have him doing easy jumps off one leg then gradually working up before he's put in a situation where he might jump hard off on leg.
carrrnuttt
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Muggum said:
Will your pessimism know no bounds? You were pissing me off in the other thread with it too.
If you're only here to depress us, or be depressed, please find a new hobby. We don't want you shooting yourself over basketball now, do we?
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Welcome aboard Mug (don't let the anti-pessimists get you down). Since you haven't read the 2000 posts on the nature of microfracture surgery (I hope I'm exaggerating but far from sure), this is hardly a new subject. Here's my read on it.
1. Most microfracture surgery is a last resort used after numerous other surgical procedures failed. This is Amare's first surgery on that knee.
2. Most microfracture surgery is done on older players who don't heal as fast. Amare is very young and had no prior knee issues.
3. Most microfracture surgery is on the weight baring part of the knee to replace cartilage. Amare's surgery was on a side, non-weight baring section of the knee.
4. Most microfracture surgery is used to deal with a fairly large hole in the cartilage. The hole in Amare's cartilage is very small.
Amare's comeback was shorted because the other knee was sore, most likely due to overcompensation. The procedure on the other knee was much less serious than the microfracture.
Does this mean he'll be as good as new? No one knows. However, the Suns training staff has an exceptional reputation as McDyess will testify. If any team can get Amare back to full strength, this is team. Also, the drive of the patient is equally important and no one should ever doubt his will power.
1. Most microfracture surgery is a last resort used after numerous other surgical procedures failed. This is Amare's first surgery on that knee.
2. Most microfracture surgery is done on older players who don't heal as fast. Amare is very young and had no prior knee issues.
3. Most microfracture surgery is on the weight baring part of the knee to replace cartilage. Amare's surgery was on a side, non-weight baring section of the knee.
4. Most microfracture surgery is used to deal with a fairly large hole in the cartilage. The hole in Amare's cartilage is very small.
Amare's comeback was shorted because the other knee was sore, most likely due to overcompensation. The procedure on the other knee was much less serious than the microfracture.
Does this mean he'll be as good as new? No one knows. However, the Suns training staff has an exceptional reputation as McDyess will testify. If any team can get Amare back to full strength, this is team. Also, the drive of the patient is equally important and no one should ever doubt his will power.
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carrrnuttt
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George O'Brien said:
Like he needs the help...
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Kolobotomy said:
Perhaps.
I'd rather give the case for optomism than get upset for his pessimism. Besides he's new.
On the other hand, Skorp is hopeless.
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good to see him playing pretty good and feeling good also. hopefully he plays against the pistons so i can watch it friday on NBA TV. whats the point of delaying the airing 4 days??? its the freakin summer league, get that WNBA crap off and show some games
carrrnuttt
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George O'Brien said:Perhaps.
I'd rather give the case for optomism than get upset for his pessimism. Besides he's new.
On the other hand, Skorp is hopeless.
There's pessimism, and there's "let's freak out before the pre-season even starts, even when the team, without the player I'm freaking out over, made the WCF just the past season."
At least freak out after the first game of the season or something, if Amare still looks like he does now, which I guarantee he won't. Jeesh.
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This is from Marc Stein ESPN:
My favorite marquee name: Amare Stoudemire
It's not easy to bypass one of our favorite interview subjects. Ron Artest normally would have been a lock here ... even though he's played in only one of Sacramento's first three games.
But it's no stretch to say that Amare is an even bigger curiosity than the sight of Artest on the Kings' summer-league team. It was a bold step for Stoudemire to take his rehab public when he's still a step (or three) slow, thereby opening himself up -- as well as the Suns -- to more doomsday forecasts about his future after two knee surgeries in a matter of months.
Focus, if you wish, on the undeniable caution in Stoudemire's game so far, or the lack of spring in his second jump, or the low rebound numbers so far. That's all accurate.
I simply prefer to note the unquestioned improvements he's made as a shooter, ball-handler and passer while out injured. Now, granted, Amare probably wouldn't be looking to dish as much if he were closer to 100 percent. Yet I'd still say he looks quite good some 12 weeks before training camp, given that he appeared even more spry in the second game of a back-to-back set than he did in his debut.
He looks especially good if you watched that nightmare New Jersey game in March and remember how hauntingly labored his movement was back then.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2515040
My favorite marquee name: Amare Stoudemire
It's not easy to bypass one of our favorite interview subjects. Ron Artest normally would have been a lock here ... even though he's played in only one of Sacramento's first three games.
But it's no stretch to say that Amare is an even bigger curiosity than the sight of Artest on the Kings' summer-league team. It was a bold step for Stoudemire to take his rehab public when he's still a step (or three) slow, thereby opening himself up -- as well as the Suns -- to more doomsday forecasts about his future after two knee surgeries in a matter of months.
Focus, if you wish, on the undeniable caution in Stoudemire's game so far, or the lack of spring in his second jump, or the low rebound numbers so far. That's all accurate.
I simply prefer to note the unquestioned improvements he's made as a shooter, ball-handler and passer while out injured. Now, granted, Amare probably wouldn't be looking to dish as much if he were closer to 100 percent. Yet I'd still say he looks quite good some 12 weeks before training camp, given that he appeared even more spry in the second game of a back-to-back set than he did in his debut.
He looks especially good if you watched that nightmare New Jersey game in March and remember how hauntingly labored his movement was back then.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2515040
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Brian, Phoenix: What is your opinion on Amare Stoudemire? It looks like he has improved his shooting and passing a lot with this injury. Do you see him coming back next season being an even more complete player?
Chris Broussard: (12:31 PM ET ) Definitely. His passing and shooting have improved and he definitely has the power game. I hope he comes back with the same explosiveness, but even if he doesn't he will still be a very effective player at an All-Star level. His athleticism and fundamentals will make him an impact player no matter what. Phoenix is getting an effective guy back and those skills will make the Suns even better on the pick and roll, as he can not only roll to the basket but pop off and hit the mid-range jumper. This is great news for Phoenix.
Chris Broussard: (12:31 PM ET ) Definitely. His passing and shooting have improved and he definitely has the power game. I hope he comes back with the same explosiveness, but even if he doesn't he will still be a very effective player at an All-Star level. His athleticism and fundamentals will make him an impact player no matter what. Phoenix is getting an effective guy back and those skills will make the Suns even better on the pick and roll, as he can not only roll to the basket but pop off and hit the mid-range jumper. This is great news for Phoenix.
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We could have at least brought in some good players for the summer team, that lineup looks pathetic aside from Amare.
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