Dont forget the suspension, isn't that disrespect to the team and franchise especially as the #1 draft pick. Ayton has some questionable views about himself.
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Dont forget the suspension, isn't that disrespect to the team and franchise especially as the #1 draft pick. Ayton has some questionable views about himself.
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Yeah there's definitely two sides to this story. But still, I think we should have paid him because not doing so might force our hand - better to keep all our options in play.
I agree. I can totally understand the suns side of things though. I'm sure there is input from coaching staff and the GM as well. This is not a clear cut case of "pay the man", but the market is set and due to our roster and timeframe the best thing to do was probably to pay him.
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The theme was going around yesterday that if Ayton hadn't sacificed his offensive game for the good of the team by playing defense, setting screens, rebounding, etc., he would have been offered more money like the other max players who had better stats.
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He definitely would have had shinier offensive stats that would have made his averages stand out better next MPJ and Shai.
I’ll be honest, I got my pissiness out of my system yesterday. It is what it is and banging an anger drum all season is pointless.
Bring on the defense of the Western Conference Totke and let’s finish the job and bring the Larry O to Phoenix before Sarvers stupidity melts the Suns down!
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For a team still trying to repair its image across the league… this is not a good look
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Yes, yesterday was a downer when Ayton wasn't extended but we are not running the franchise. I hope it was more than just about stats.
Now I plan to put most of my focus on the season. However, as we know, this is going to be a reoccurring topic on the forum and in the media until it gets resolved.
In a way I want to hear Sarver defend this but at the same time I'd rather he didn't. He should keep his mouth shut and stay out of the public eye as much as possible. If asked anything Suns related then he should give a no comment because there's nothing to be gained by his words.
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I thoroughly agree with this although I hope we find out what Ayton was offered.
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The John Collins situation in Atlanta played out eerily similar going back to Ayton's PED suspension. Collins got suspended for PED's like 2 weeks after Ayton, same 25 game penalty, tanked the Hawks season, asked for the max last offseason and was told to prove it. Hawks made it to the ECF and were a Trae Young injury from making it to the NBA finals this year with Collins being a vital part of their run. This summer as a restricted free agent he signed with the Hawks for $125 million, which was $5 million more annually than he was offered last year and everyone was happy.
That is the most recent situation to Ayton's. That worked out, this can work out.
Not that anyone really wanted it to hang over the team all season but there's nothing we can do about that at this point, especially as fans on the sideline.
That is the most recent situation to Ayton's. That worked out, this can work out.
Not that anyone really wanted it to hang over the team all season but there's nothing we can do about that at this point, especially as fans on the sideline.
This is laughable.
I want to find out also because I'm an inquisitive fans who craves details but if I can't find out because Sarver isn't talking then I'll be ok with it.
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I'm hoping the information has already been leaked and we will hear more later with specifics.
From what’s being reported they offered the money but not the years.
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I'm still waiting for something more specific than what I heard yesterday.
Sarver is an idiot. He just guaranteed this will be a distraction all season long. The media is going to bring it up every single time Ayton has a great game saying the Suns should have gotten it done. Then when he has a bad stretch? They are going to say maybe it was the right move. Either way it's a no win situation for the franchise all season long.
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Im sure Ayton will prove this season his max status. But, there are two fundamental problems here:
1. Perception of the team - This continues to be an issue and is not good for PR and luring talent over here. Phoenix needs every reason to convince future FAs to come to Phoenix instead of going to big markets to form super teams. This doesnt help. Plus, if Ayton leaves, we're not luring in another player of his caliber
2. Exposing him to free agency - Even as a RFA, he can field offers from other teams and another team can get tricky with the structure of a contract to make it tough for Phoenix to match. Plus, in the environment of a player-entitled market, all it takes is for Ayton to tell Phoenix not to match and to let him go. I'd think this wouldnt be an issue and Ayton would sign the max with Phoenix anyway, but you dont want leaving to be an option for him to consider in any form or fashion. Ayton is a pretty prideful guy, so anything's possible
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The entire league thinks Sarver pooped the bed. The Suns don’t need his arrogance on display after.
He is getting ripped across the league. You should hear some of the national sports radio shows. I was flipping and I heard it come up at least 3 times.
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Yeah. Him talking can only make a really bad situation much worse.
Also, anyone who doesn’t think this stink and Sarver becoming Sarver again won’t hurt us with possible buyout guys I think is naive. It just made the franchise look really bad. You’re going for a title and throw this crap into the season?
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Was this James Jones or Sarver? That's my question. If Ayton earns a max offer this year, he will get it from the Suns. I doubt he will play for the qualifying offer. In fact, the Suns do not have to make the Qualifying offer when the time comes. They can just make the max offer. (I think they can do that).
I have no idea whether I am a fan of this or not. It's not my money. I would love to have Ayton settled here, but secretly I have feared that DA will coast once the deal is done. If the decision-maker on this is Jones, I am not as concerned. If it's Sarver, then yes, its a worry.
I have no idea whether I am a fan of this or not. It's not my money. I would love to have Ayton settled here, but secretly I have feared that DA will coast once the deal is done. If the decision-maker on this is Jones, I am not as concerned. If it's Sarver, then yes, its a worry.
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Still wrong. Ayton would need a new contact and then the money wouldn’t work.
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Ultimately, Ayton is the only one who will decide whether or not he stays here. We all know he wants to be here, but Sarver so far is unwilling to pay his market value. It's completely understandable that he's pissed, and that he feels disrespected.
Playing chicken with a great young player with the potential to be a superstar is just so dumb on so many levels. Between creating a major distraction, to bringing back fear of past sins, to taking the shine off quick from a finals appearance, it's just a crappy way to go into the season.
Here's hoping it all works out, but I wish we weren't held hostage by an owner that made decisions based on fiscal responsibility, not winning a championship.
David Kevin articulates the Ayton situation, and the cap in general here - https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/p/vol3-iss5-projecting-forward
Well worth a read.
Playing chicken with a great young player with the potential to be a superstar is just so dumb on so many levels. Between creating a major distraction, to bringing back fear of past sins, to taking the shine off quick from a finals appearance, it's just a crappy way to go into the season.
Here's hoping it all works out, but I wish we weren't held hostage by an owner that made decisions based on fiscal responsibility, not winning a championship.
David Kevin articulates the Ayton situation, and the cap in general here - https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/p/vol3-iss5-projecting-forward
Well worth a read.
