The Ayton Plan

[TJ]

I'd hate to see Ayton leave because the coach couldn't adapt to the talent and skills of a key player on the roster. This is likely why the Mavericks switched coaches. Coaches need to adapt to the talent on the roster.

This is one of the reasons Jalen Smith is no longer around.

It's easy to crap on Ayton and blame him for not developing, but if you look at the lack of commitment to Jalen Smith's development, it appears to be more systemic than isolated.

 

[Town Drunk]

It's easy to crap on Ayton and blame him for not developing, but if you look at the lack of commitment to Jalen Smith's development, it appears to be more systemic than isolated.

Yep. It’s likely both sides at fault in this scenario.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's easy to crap on Ayton and blame him for not developing, but if you look at the lack of commitment to Jalen Smith's development, it appears to be more systemic than isolated.

If the Suns trade both Deandre Ayton and Jalen Smith one has to question the process and the system.

There is a cost for skipping steps.

 

[1tinsoldier]

If the Suns trade both Deandre Ayton and Jalen Smith one has to question the process and the system.

There is a cost for skipping steps.

yeah, Ayton and Smith AND they let McGee go

i like Bismack -- on the bench most of the time. He was/is the most one dimensional, limited of our big men

 

[Mainstreet]

yeah, Ayton and Smith AND they let McGee go

i like Bismack -- on the bench most of the time. He was/is the most one dimensional, limited of our big men

At least I can understand the Suns letting McGee go although I wanted to keep him. There is only so much money to go around.

Three years at $21 million is a good chunk of change for a backup center.

 

[Muggz]

Did everyone forget Monty was here a year before Paul was? What did Ayton do then? I know it was his second season but Trae Young and Luka were making All-Star teams in their second seasons while Ayton got a PED suspension.

He hasn't grown like some claim and he also hasn't really sacrificed either. His usage rate is very similar despite taking almost 3 less shots a game. His 2nd season that was the highest it's been at 23.7 and now it's 21.4. His minutes have gone down since the Suns brought in a good backup, Ayton went from averaging 32.5 mpg down to 29.7 last season.

His FG's have dropped some but that can be blamed on his lack of aggression. He averaged 14.9 in year 2 while averaging 12.0 last season. Despite dropping 3 FG attempts a game though his usage is essentially the same and his PPG is only down 1 whole point, from 18.2 to 17.2.

His free throw rate has been stagnate because he isn't aggressive. His lowest FT total was his second season, which is when he was used the most, averaging a paltry 2.3 attempts a game. Last season was 2.4 attempts. His highest was his rookie season where he averaged 2.7.

So he's gotten a little more efficient, which is nice, but he hasn't done anything to help increase his role as far as being able to put the ball on the floor for a shot or to draw a foul. He almost always passes or shoots within 2 seconds of getting the ball and I know the offensive philosophy is to move the ball but others try and create for themselves but Ayton doesn't unless he's spoonfed. That's on him.

Got somebody better in mind?
Trey and Luka were the only good players on those teams. Ayton had to share the ball with Booker and crew.

 

[Hoop Head]

Got somebody better in mind?
Trey and Luka were the only good players on those teams. Ayton had to share the ball with Booker and crew.

I'm fine with Ayton as he is if he would accept a contract for what he is, a good but not great Center. He isn't someone you can build a successful team around. He isn't worth max money. Luka and Trae earned their max rookie extensions after their second season. That's why I brought them up. There was never a question of their future contract.

I'm not advocating kicking him to the curb, I'm simply tired of everyone saying Monty won't use him because of CP3 and how Paul keeps him from doing more offensively. CP3 made DeAndre Jordan an All-Star. He helped Clinf Capela have a great year in Housfon. He also helped Blake Griffin have his best years because he can find athletic bits who can shoot as well as those like Capela and Jordan who are more paint oriented bigs on offense.

Ayton isn't sacrificing in the Suns system. If he goes somewhere and is the focal point of their offense then that team won't win a lot of games and I suspect he'll fall off defensively as well. His stamina isn't great. Spare me the "He's asked to guard people on the perimeter" nonsense also because a lot of bigs do that now. Show me some stats that prove Ayton spends the majority of his time on the perimeter and then maybe that will hold some weight. Monty coached up Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Both guys have good history with bigs like Ayton, athletically and physically.

 

[TJ]

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Max

 

[Mainstreet]

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Max

I was hoping it wouldn't happen this way.

I'd like to see how the money is to be paid along with options.

 

[Town Drunk]

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Max

Here we go. I bet they let him walk without matching.

 

[Chaplin]

James Jones not able to get a sign-and-trade done. Ridiculous.

 

[TJ]

If James Jones drops the ball on this, he deserves to be fired tomorrow

 

[Town Drunk]

Is it a Jones or Sarver decision if they let him walk with nothing in return?

 

[Mainstreet]

It's either match or the Suns have nothing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I have an awful feeling they let him walk for nothing.

 

[95pro]

All while being 20 yeah who wants that kinda production. That guy sucks.

No one says he sucks.

You bring up Trae Young. Have you watched him? He’s far from some perfect player. Complain about Ayton being inconsistent but bring up Young who has ridiculous swings.

Trae young in the playoffs this year.
8/4
25/7
24/8
9/5
11/6

Still an all-star who has shown to carry his crappy team.

He’s a 7 footer who’s asked to switch on to guards on defense regularly

Do you think he’s gonna have the stamina of a 6’7 wing? He’s huge

Regularly?

 

[Finito]

No one says he sucks.



Still an all-star who has shown to carry his crappy team.



Regularly?

That ATL team isn’t crappy at all they have a lot of talent and yes he’s asked to switch all the damn time how is this even a question

 

[mjb21aztd]

Match the freaking offer than trade for kd plain and simple

Otherwise show jones the front door if da just walks fing bshiatttt man

 

[TJ]

#SkinnyKeim

 

[Finito]

The Pacers called the bluff.

Now you match or lose a 23 year old who the pacers thought highly enough to give the max asset for nothing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Pacers called the bluff.

Now you match or lose a 23 year old who the pacers thought highly enough to give the max asset for nothing.

If they don’t match, grab the gasoline and meet me at the stadium in six hours.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Match, trade mid season.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sideways of this, if we match he cannot be traded to the Pacers at all.

 

[Rab]

Gotta match and deal with the trade at that later date if it comes to that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Match.

Trade Bridges/Cam and a bajillion picks for KD.

Win the next two titles.