The BASK Honeymoon is Officially Over

[desertdawg]

I think BA is pretty much in charge right now, especially with who and where we've drafted folks this year. BA got his speed WR, he got his project QB that won't play right away even though he said that's the only type of players he wanted. It's Keim's call and it's Keim's job to get these players at reasonable value, not reach and waste valuable picks on cats that might have gone un-drafted. The Draft hasn't really gotten me upset aside from the Logan pick, so Im not busting balls or anything, but I see players that BA has said he wanted all off season long, and I haven't seen any BPA Keim style.... at all.

I get that we are in "win now" mode, and most of the positions we have picked up do fill holes we needed to fill if we want to win now. I just worry when we spend an entire Draft on now instead of the future, and don't tell me that Logan is the future. BA was calling some shots in this here Draft, at least that's what I suspect. I was wondering how much of a voice he had in these matters, now I think he has the strongest voice in the choir . I'm all good with it, if we keep winning. Just win baby, yeah.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Not sexy, but I like this draft'.

Mike Mayoch, after 6th pick.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Pretty hard to judge the draft in May.

Nah, it's really easy.

Hard to be right on that judgment though.

This

 

[mjb21aztd]

I hope we look back at this thread in a few years and relaize we were wrong and the players turn out good.
I kind of wish the cards would have drafted Manziel or Dennard with our first pick since Cromatie is only on a one year deal.
But I have faith in the Cardinals front office hoping to a good productive season from the cardinals drafties. GO CARDS!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

dawg, I think it has more to do with how our BPA was built, because BPA also comes with some level of need built in. No doubt Logan and Brown are BA guys, but they also reflect the teams input on what they want to round out the roster.

We came into the draft with few holes, and SS as the biggest problem on the field. I think that really informed our rankings, and yeah, BA has a lot of say in how he'd use a guy.

It is weird for us because we shockingly don't have massive needs. We were arguably a top 5 team in the league last year, and are focused on building the depth and filling the few holes. At that point, BA's say means a lot more because they are depth or specific position picks.

I wouldn't say it's a power shift from keim to ba, though. Not yet.

 

[D-Dogg]

I hope we look back at this thread in a few years and relaize we were wrong and the players turn out good.

Well, some of us will realize we were right.

not sexy...solid.

 

[Garthshort]

asuhoopsnut, share with us your scouting background, in order to let us know how much stock to put into your opinion. I will say that by attributing the draft to the HC rather than the GM, sort of puts you in a hole. But that aside I guess it's possible that you're a scout. If so, for how many years?

 

[Shane]

asuhoopsnut, share with us your scouting background, in order to let us know how much stock to put into your opinion. I will say that by attributing the draft to the HC rather than the GM, sort of puts you in a hole. But that aside I guess it's possible that you're a scout. If so, for how many years?

Conversely I'm assuming you like this draft based on your tone?? Am i right? If so can we get your scouting expertise and years of experience that quantify your opinion as well? Thank you!

 

[Buckybird]

Conversely I'm assuming you like this draft based on your tone?? Am i right? If so can we get your scouting expertise and years of experience that quantify your opinion as well? Thank you!

 

[PJ1]

Conversely I'm assuming you like this draft based on your tone?? Am i right? If so can we get your scouting expertise and years of experience that quantify your opinion as well? Thank you!

Shane you silly Goose. You can only challenge those that disagree with BASK.

Contrary opinions are not tolerated.

 

[Duckjake]

In defense of BASK, other teams have forced their hand. SD stole Attaochu from them. ARZ isn't interested in coughing up draft picks in order to move up. With that said I would have went with Ealy over Niklas, Ellington over Brown and either Mettenberger or McCarron over Thomas. BA will have his skills with Thomas because he is a HUGE PROJECT. Two picks left, hoping for a couple of LB's, Skov & Jeffcoat would be excellent values at this point. I am shocked Dion Bailey, Antonio Richardson, Seantrel Henderson, Anthony Johnson, McCarron & Mettenberger are still on the board or at least from the last I've checked.

I totally agree with this. In almost every round guys that were players that I read as good potential picks for the Cards were gone before we selected.

Arians did say they tried to trade up in one round, don't remember which, but couldn't get the deal done.

As for this draft I think the Cards roster is almost to the point where Pittsburgh and NE have been for years. So solid overall that they could take the projects with their later in the round picks and if they don't pan out no big deal and if they do the front office looks like geniuses.

 

[D-Dogg]

Conversely I'm assuming you like this draft based on your tone?? Am i right? If so can we get your scouting expertise and years of experience that quantify your opinion as well? Thank you!

hahah

 

[40yearfan]

I totally agree with this. In almost every round guys that were players that I read as good potential picks for the Cards were gone before we selected.

Arians did say they tried to trade up in one round, don't remember which, but couldn't get the deal done.

As for this draft I think the Cards roster is almost to the point where Pittsburgh and NE have been for years. So solid overall that they could take the projects with their later in the round picks and if they don't pan out no big deal and if they do the front office looks like geniuses.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

NFL network just did draft grades for the NFC West and one gave the Cards a B+ and the other gave a B. Seahawks got 2 As and the Rams got 2 A+, the 49ers got 2 Bs.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

NFL network just did draft grades for the NFC West and one gave the Cards a B+ and the other gave a B. Seahawks got 2 As and the Rams got 2 A+, the 49ers got 2 Bs.

I would be surprised if the ASFN crew graded it higher than a C.

 

[D-Dogg]

They also said that Logan Thomas is the wild card, and if he develops in 4 years this is an A+ draft.

 

[desertdawg]

They also said that Logan Thomas is the wild card, and if he develops in 4 years this is an A+ draft.

I want to believe but I've been whizzed on so many times when it comes to late round QBs. I'm not taking my umbrella down just yet.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

They also said that Logan Thomas is the wild card, and if he develops in 4 years this is an A+ draft.

Completely makes sense. You could probably say that about just about any draft where a QB is taken in the second half of the draft and pans out.

 

[Jetstream Green]

No one on this board is officially qualified to get official... except THESMEL lol

 

[D-Dogg]

Completely makes sense. You could probably say that about just about any draft where a QB is taken in the second half of the draft and pans out.

That wasn't the tone of their comments - the tone was that if they can develop him, he's got superstar talent. Not like drafting a late round QB who becomes a solid starter.

But yes, that's a good observation in general...just wanted to point out they were saying more than just that.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That wasn't the tone of their comments - the tone was that if they can develop him, he's got superstar talent. Not like drafting a late round QB who becomes a solid starter.

But yes, that's a good observation in general...just wanted to point out they were saying more than just that.

I should have been more specific. By "pans out" I meant QBOTF type material and not just a solid starter.

 

[D-Dogg]

I should have been more specific. By "pans out" I meant QBOTF type material and not just a solid starter.

By that I agree...that means you hit a grand slam with a late round pick and at the QB position, you could have drafted Buster Davis with all your other picks and it's still an A+

poor buster davis

 

[Mulli]

Conversely I'm assuming you like this draft based on your tone?? Am i right? If so can we get your scouting expertise and years of experience that quantify your opinion as well? Thank you!

I am going with the Cards front office. They gave more experience than you. Good job using conversely in a sentence.

 

[40yearfan]

I am going with the Cards front office. They gave more experience than you. Good job using conversely in a sentence.

Is Shane picking on you again Mulli?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

And I think they are killing this draft based on how they want to build this team.

Man I'm so glad there are posters here like you who get it. I guess it's a casual fan thing not sure. Kind of annoying to read some of the comments though.

You see I too think this was a good draft. And here's why. The cardinals have a prototype of what they want in every position. Tall strong armed QBs. Long DL and LBs. Speed at WR. Blocking first TEs. This is the part where most fans miss the boat. Guys like Aaron Donald, Johnny Manziel, and Kelvin Benjamin are not going to be drafted by this team. That doesn't mean they will be bad players. It's means they don't fit what the Cardinals do. Had they drafted Manziel I might have been excited but also questioning WTH too.

This is a GREAT thing Cardinals fans. Rod Graves had no rhyme or reason for whom he picked. It was all ratings and bad ones at that. Thats what 80% of GMs do too. Here we draft based on our program. Just like Seattle, Green Bay and others.

I also think picking at 20 took us out of range on positions we HAD to fill. People talk about BPA and that's true in later rounds but you also want to draft guys who will start in rd 1-2 and the Cardinals likely felt they HAD to come out of draft with reliable options at those 2 positions (and WR because of uncertainty of Fitz) and they did well. Based on what I have read I think the team really wanted Sefarian Jenkins and Calvin Pryor but those guys were taken. That's what happens when you draft at 20 and not top 5 or top 10.

And I would prefer a great season rather then a perceived great draft.

I used to love the draft but its losing its appeal to me because of the reactionary nonsense and 45,000 mock drafts. Lets be real EVERYONE grades teams drafts based on who they like or based on a mix of rankings for dudes who arent paid by teams to you know actually scout and most of the time it's the ones we don't talk about that have the most contributors. And you are absolutely killing the draft if you get 4 contributors 3 years later. No one aces every pick yet many of you guys heads are exploding because of a 6th rd pick you have never heard of. It's mental masterbaution at its finest.

Getting all worked up now is stupid. We can all have our opinions but before saying the honey moon is over (LOL - that 10 win season sure went up in smoke because you don't like John Brown ASU) let give it 6 months and see these guys in TC and preseason, eh?