The Bean will not feed the Drew

[RugbyMuffin]

Since you mentioned Drew R.

WOW! What a fall from grace. Guess the multi-millions Drew R. cost himself, and his clients (see TO) has knocked him down a few pegs, and I cannot imagine that no one kicked him a few times on his way back down the ladder.

Suppossidely, 2008 was none to kind to Drew R. Thus why many players have dropped him.

 

[Duckjake]

yeah, NYG made Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL when he was never even the best on this team. And I don't even know where Dansby went, but I don't think I've heard his name since he left

You probably wouldn't have heard Dansby's name no matter where he went. I doubt most of us could name the top ten WILBs in the NFL off the top of our head. Easy to come on here and post the top 10 because of the simplicity of looking it up. How many fans of the Dolphins know anything about Daryl Washington or knew anything about Dansby before he became a potential free agent signing for them?

But the individual player involved is irrelevant. If you have a star player and let him go even if you get another star player to replace him it has cost you because you could have kept player #1 and added another star player and had 2 star players instead of one.

That is the point almost everyone misses while they are caught up in the debate over whether the new guy is better than the old guy.

In Campbell's case there is no one on the roster to replace him right now. So that means the Cards would have to find a DE in free agency or use a draft pick that could have gone to improve the oline on a DE.

 

[PJ1]

You probably wouldn't have heard Dansby's name no matter where he went. I doubt most of us could name the top ten WILBs in the NFL off the top of our head. Easy to come on here and post the top 10 because of the simplicity of looking it up. How many fans of the Dolphins know anything about Daryl Washington or knew anything about Dansby before he became a potential free agent signing for them?

But the individual player involved is irrelevant. If you have a star player and let him go even if you get another star player to replace him it has cost you because you could have kept player #1 and added another star player and had 2 star players instead of one.

That is the point almost everyone misses while they are caught up in the debate over whether the new guy is better than the old guy.

In Campbell's case there is no one on the roster to replace him right now. So that means the Cards would have to find a DE in free agency or use a draft pick that could have gone to improve the oline on a DE.

Absolutely. Retaining and adding is how the good teams are built. Replacing star players you let walk is a losing game even if you are able to do.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Campbell may or may not get his long term deal this off-season, but, what is an absolute certainty is that he won't reach Free Agency.

 

[52brandon]

You probably wouldn't have heard Dansby's name no matter where he went. I doubt most of us could name the top ten WILBs in the NFL off the top of our head. Easy to come on here and post the top 10 because of the simplicity of looking it up. How many fans of the Dolphins know anything about Daryl Washington or knew anything about Dansby before he became a potential free agent signing for them?

But the individual player involved is irrelevant. If you have a star player and let him go even if you get another star player to replace him it has cost you because you could have kept player #1 and added another star player and had 2 star players instead of one.

That is the point almost everyone misses while they are caught up in the debate over whether the new guy is better than the old guy.

In Campbell's case there is no one on the roster to replace him right now. So that means the Cards would have to find a DE in free agency or use a draft pick that could have gone to improve the oline on a DE.

I still have seen the Dolphins play and would have remembered hearing Dansby's name. Considering that Miami made him the highest paid LB when he left here, I expected him to make more impact. I do agree on Campbell though. He's got the play and the attitude that is only a benefit to this team

 

[Duckjake]

I still have seen the Dolphins play and would have remembered hearing Dansby's name. Considering that Miami made him the highest paid LB when he left here, I expected him to make more impact. I do agree on Campbell though. He's got the play and the attitude that is only a benefit to this team

Still we just aren't close enough to the Dolphins to read things like this:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/a...-Defense/b69c33e6-8366-4e07-bc64-6c09f62631fd

Or this:

This one was mostly about the defense, and the place to start is linebacker Karlos Dansby. Wow, talk about an impressive performance. After a slow start to the season, he’s been coming on in recent weeks and against Washington he was nothing short of dominant.

Or these: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Dansby-Led-D-Leads-Dolphins-Over-Bills-102734489.html

http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/01/grading-the-phins-linebackers/

And finally:

Kevin Burnett needed almost no time to answer the question. When he was asked the last time he ran back an interception for a touchdown, he quickly responded by saying: "Last year, Peyton Manning."......After the game, he thanked teammate Karlos Dansby for delivering a key block.

 

[52brandon]

Still we just aren't close enough to the Dolphins to read things like this:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/a...-Defense/b69c33e6-8366-4e07-bc64-6c09f62631fd

Or this:


Or these: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Dansby-Led-D-Leads-Dolphins-Over-Bills-102734489.html

http://www.miamidolphinsdraft.com/2012/01/grading-the-phins-linebackers/

And finally:

Kevin Burnett needed almost no time to answer the question. When he was asked the last time he ran back an interception for a touchdown, he quickly responded by saying: "Last year, Peyton Manning."......After the game, he thanked teammate Karlos Dansby for delivering a key block.

sure. I can completely understand that he will be better known in the city he plays. I still think he is being paid more than he's worth and am more than happy with how Wash has developed. Looking at their stats (I know stats aren't everything, but this is the best way I can think of to compare their play without going through a bunch of game tapes), I'd say that this season, Washington's 1st as a starter was more impressive than any of Dansby's. At least in my biased opinion

I am well aware of how awful the cards are with keeping vets around though. AZ teams as a whole don't have much of a reputation for being able to hang on to a good roster. Hopefully the cards can change that and we get Calais taken care of ASAP

 

[Duckjake]

sure. I can completely understand that he will be better known in the city he plays. I still think he is being paid more than he's worth and am more than happy with how Wash has developed. Looking at their stats (I know stats aren't everything, but this is the best way I can think of to compare their play without going through a bunch of game tapes), I'd say that this season, Washington's 1st as a starter was more impressive than any of Dansby's. At least in my biased opinion

I am well aware of how awful the cards are with keeping vets around though. AZ teams as a whole don't have much of a reputation for being able to hang on to a good roster. Hopefully the cards can change that and we get Calais taken care of ASAP

Obviously biased. But you aren't the only person who forgets the first 4 years of Dansby's career in the AZ. 20.5 sacks, 16pdfs, 7 interceptions and 9 forced fumbles. You can count on one hand the # of LBs in the NFL who had those type numbers their first 4 seasons. Just because he's gone doesn't mean he didn't play well while he was here. We're fortunate to have had both DWash and KD.

If you compare what the Cards paid Bradley to what Dansby got from the Dolphins, Dansby was a friggin' bargain.

I do think that with Horton and the changes he's made in the defense over the last half of the season we might be better off with DWash than KD actually. Washington is better at attacking the ball carrier which is what he was finally allowed to do the latter part of 2011. Dansby is now more of a read type player who senses where the play is going and shuts down one of the offenses options. KD never was a guy who would sprint into a gap and make a tackle like DWash does.

 

[52brandon]

Obviously biased. But you aren't the only person who forgets the first 4 years of Dansby's career in the AZ. 20.5 sacks, 16pdfs, 7 interceptions and 9 forced fumbles. You can count on one hand the # of LBs in the NFL who had those type numbers their first 4 seasons. Just because he's gone doesn't mean he didn't play well while he was here. We're fortunate to have had both DWash and KD.

If you compare what the Cards paid Bradley to what Dansby got from the Dolphins, Dansby was a friggin' bargain.

I do think that with Horton and the changes he's made in the defense over the last half of the season we might be better off with DWash than KD actually. Washington is better at attacking the ball carrier which is what he was finally allowed to do the latter part of 2011. Dansby is now more of a read type player who senses where the play is going and shuts down one of the offenses options. KD never was a guy who would sprint into a gap and make a tackle like DWash does.

yeah, Bradley seems like a bust. As does Heap sadly. And I agree, Dansby played well when he was here. But Wash's 2011 season was amazing. He didn't put up earth-shattering stats but it was so well rounded

 

[Duckjake]

yeah, Bradley seems like a bust. As does Heap sadly. And I agree, Dansby played well when he was here. But Wash's 2011 season was amazing. He didn't put up earth-shattering stats but it was so well rounded

But...how awesome was it to actually see a Cardinal LB shooting the RIGHT gap and making hits at or behind the LOS.

DWash seems to be perfect for Horton's Defense.

Of course starting in July I won't be able to write anything good about him.

 

[THESMEL]

Well I have Dansby graded as a more physical great all around MLB, Now he is great at all MLB skill sets quite physical and fast enough to cover in any NFL Scheme or both at SIL and WIL in the 3-4.

Dwash did not hold up well toward the end of his rookie year, to me his coverage skill set is superior to Dansby but can not hold up to the punishment Dansby delivers year in and year out, DWASH is a superior 3-4 WIL specialist LB, but would not hold at SIL as well as Dansby.

Basically Dwash is 6'2" safety/LB hybrid that could play any safety position,but it would waste his thump, He is strong at the point of the tackle but not every down like Dansby.

Now The Bean is a beast, at 23 years old he intimidates great defensive players and defenses, If you look at the last play of the first half against the Ravens, The Bean blasts right up the gut and runs over Ed Reed! why miller doesn't let The Bean beat teams into submission like He did in the Rams record game? I don't know? Stupidity?

if The Bean gets right He'll compete with Fitz and PP as the most talented card players in Arizona , maybe Cards history. I still have Beanie graded in the high 90's out of 100. He has a great volume of spectacular on such few relative carries.
Beanmeister should touch the ball 50% of the time come hell or high water,

But I have Levi Brown graded at 90 also, Some Cards fans will have to see what other teams pay him to understand, this is not a tackle friendly system! He has held up against great odds in a tackle killing scheme, gameplans and play calling, Kurt Warner Rode Levi Brown to the HOF, I don't expect agreement as usual, but nobody has ever asked more from a tackle, Ever!

 

[Duckjake]

Levi Brown played RT for Warner. So it was Mike Gandy and Jeremy Bridges that Warner rode to the HOF?

 

[THESMEL]

well

that is why I didn't say left or right, In our scheme it didn't matter as much left or right, they came extra almost every down cause we passed like our hair was on fire- regardless of lead, down, distance or game importance!

And Kurt welcomed it and burned it enough times per attempt to go 9-7 to a SB. But Levi never got a play off, 66% of the time we passed. Even when we Tricked them with THT draws out of pass formations! Levi won more point of attack plays each year than other tackles.

The oline allowed 26 sacks a year with over 600 pass attempts and the least runs called in NFL history! THT had 143 carries as the starting RB twice in a row, Yea he blocked, oh hell yea!

Levi in a traditional balanced offense is pro bowl every year, ask Jerry Jones.

Levi Brown played RT for Warner. So it was Mike Gandy and Jeremy Bridges that Warner rode to the HOF?

 

[Duckjake]

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hat is why I didn't say left or right, In our scheme it didn't matter as much left or right, they came extra almost every down cause we passed like our hair was on fire- regardless of lead, down, distance or game importance!

So how did Warner ride Levi Brown to the HOF any more than he did Gandy or Bridges or Sendlein or Lutui?

A historical note. In 2005 the Cards threw the ball 670 times. 76 more than 2009 and 120 more pass attempts than 2011. Don't remember CKW being HC that season.

 

[Buckybird]

Well I have Dansby graded as a more physical great all around MLB, Now he is great at all MLB skill sets quite physical and fast enough to cover in any NFL Scheme or both at SIL and WIL in the 3-4.

Dwash did not hold up well toward the end of his rookie year, to me his coverage skill set is superior to Dansby but can not hold up to the punishment Dansby delivers year in and year out, DWASH is a superior 3-4 WIL specialist LB, but would not hold at SIL as well as Dansby.

Basically Dwash is 6'2" safety/LB hybrid that could play any safety position,but it would waste his thump, He is strong at the point of the tackle but not every down like Dansby.

Now The Bean is a beast, at 23 years old he intimidates great defensive players and defenses, If you look at the last play of the first half against the Ravens, The Bean blasts right up the gut and runs over Ed Reed! why miller doesn't let The Bean beat teams into submission like He did in the Rams record game? I don't know? Stupidity?

if The Bean gets right He'll compete with Fitz and PP as the most talented card players in Arizona , maybe Cards history. I still have Beanie graded in the high 90's out of 100. He has a great volume of spectacular on such few relative carries.
Beanmeister should touch the ball 50% of the time come hell or high water,

But I have Levi Brown graded at 90 also, Some Cards fans will have to see what other teams pay him to understand, this is not a tackle friendly system! He has held up against great odds in a tackle killing scheme, gameplans and play calling, Kurt Warner Rode Levi Brown to the HOF, I don't expect agreement as usual, but nobody has ever asked more from a tackle, Ever!

You kill me! You do realize once upon a time we had this guy named OJ Anderson? I like Beanie, but he isn't in #32's class & will never be.

 

[Buckybird]

Well I have Dansby graded as a more physical great all around MLB, Now he is great at all MLB skill sets quite physical and fast enough to cover in any NFL Scheme or both at SIL and WIL in the 3-4.

Dwash did not hold up well toward the end of his rookie year, to me his coverage skill set is superior to Dansby but can not hold up to the punishment Dansby delivers year in and year out, DWASH is a superior 3-4 WIL specialist LB, but would not hold at SIL as well as Dansby.

Basically Dwash is 6'2" safety/LB hybrid that could play any safety position,but it would waste his thump, He is strong at the point of the tackle but not every down like Dansby.

Now The Bean is a beast, at 23 years old he intimidates great defensive players and defenses, If you look at the last play of the first half against the Ravens, The Bean blasts right up the gut and runs over Ed Reed! why miller doesn't let The Bean beat teams into submission like He did in the Rams record game? I don't know? Stupidity?

if The Bean gets right He'll compete with Fitz and PP as the most talented card players in Arizona , maybe Cards history. I still have Beanie graded in the high 90's out of 100. He has a great volume of spectacular on such few relative carries.
Beanmeister should touch the ball 50% of the time come hell or high water,

But I have Levi Brown graded at 90 also, Some Cards fans will have to see what other teams pay him to understand, this is not a tackle friendly system! He has held up against great odds in a tackle killing scheme, gameplans and play calling, Kurt Warner Rode Levi Brown to the HOF, I don't expect agreement as usual, but nobody has ever asked more from a tackle, Ever!

You do realize this is 2011, not 1970. Super Bowls are won in this era with great QB's who throw the ball & that's a fact.

 

[THESMEL]

difference

and if I remember right a top 10 defense- high risk high reward that produced turnovers! clancy took us from near last to #8 defense.
But i thought quite well of Mr. LD also against the boards wisdom.

I have much respect for Reggie Wells when he was at RT and he was the most athletic guard on the Cards and maybe the NFL, Bridges is a beast He leaves it all on the field,

I respect your point but grade how I grade, Levi has alot of successful passes protected since drafted, while defenses knew we were going to pass as Kurt dared them to blitz Levi! What Kurt went 24-26 for that one completion record, a couple perfect games, playoffs, first Cards SB all behind what some call a turnstile.

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So how did Warner ride Levi Brown to the HOF any more than he did Gandy or Bridges or Sendlein or Lutui?

A historical note. In 2005 the Cards threw the ball 670 times. 76 more than 2009 and 120 more pass attempts than 2011. Don't remember CKW being HC that season.

 

[THESMEL]

hmm

better tell that to the Ravens, Niners, Giants should I go on? Houston #1 run game or Saints #6 run game to compliment their best ever pass game?

Yea even the Patriots ran it against the Ravens- couldn't believe that is how they won it! I agree the rules are tilted to the passers but RB's getting near 50% of the touches either pass or run is not that uncommon.

We sucked at screens but wait till next year! I think Kolb needs screens.

You do realize this is 2011, not 1970. Super Bowls are won in this era with great QB's who throw the ball & that's a fact.

 

[Duckjake]

Beanmeister should touch the ball 50% of the time come hell or high water,

The Cards run about 1000 plays a season. You want Wells to have 500 touches! He'd have about a 2 year career. Nobody runs the ball 500 times a season and Wells is a terrible receiver. He only has 27 catches in 3 years. 300-325 would be more like it. But I doubt that ever happens if Ryan Williams comes back 100%.

Larry Johnson had 400+ carries in 2006. He was done. Jamaal Anderson had 410 carries in 1998. He had one more decent season. James Wilder had 772 carries 1984-85. He was done. Gerald Riggs 397 carries in 1985, one more good season. Ricky Williams had 775 carries 2002-2003. It took him two years in a commune to recover. And you want Beanie to have 500 touches?

 

[Buckybird]

better tell that to the Ravens, Niners, Giants should I go on? Houston #1 run game or Saints #6 run game to compliment their best ever pass game?

Yea even the Patriots ran it against the Ravens- couldn't believe that is how they won it! I agree the rules are tilted to the passers but RB's getting near 50% of the touches either pass or run is not that uncommon.

We sucked at screens but wait till next year! I think Kolb needs screens.

I said WINNING Super Bowls!

Tell me again what the Saints, GMen & Pats do best offensively? They throw the ball & do it repeatedly! As I told you in another thread earlier weeks back, these teams are in the bottom 1/3 in rushing attempts. Bottom line is the texans, ravens & Niners failed to reach the Super Bowl & haven't in years and the texans never have! 2011 will mark 9 yrs in a row a great QBs team has won the Lombardi & I don't see that changing very often. Throw the rock to a title!!!

 

[THESMEL]

Nope

actually there would be way more than a 1000 plays if Wells got 500 touches, ever heard of Leroy Kelly? His son David broadcasts for UofA.

Edge had 326 carries for 1222 yards for the Cards but He never got the receptions he got for Peyton Manning and the Colts, You know when they were excellent! i think Edge had at least 1 - 400 carry season?

Beanie is a 400 carry featured Running Back- old school with 60 catches when the defense is not looking, a few less pass game blocks but you have to give up something! HA HA

Now 20 year old NFL RB's are rare, The Bean had some college miles on him, but not many NFL Miles, 153-179-245 or so in 3 years, year he's oft hurt but my God- He broke our franchise record on a acreer high 27 carries ON ONE LEG!

I sign him Long term now. We puke up much worse risks and mo money on Porter and Faneca!

When Beanie lowers his head defenders cringe, that is the damned truth. And it is fitz's best friend for the HOF and ROH.

The Cards run about 1000 plays a season. You want Wells to have 500 touches! He'd have about a 2 year career.

 

[Duckjake]

Leroy Kelly? He averaged 12.6 carries a game for his career. Went over 20 carries in a game only 18 times in 136 games.

Oh and by the way only 5 players in NFL history have had more than 400 rushing attempts in a season.

 

[O]

Leroy Kelly? He averaged 12.6 carries a game for his career.

Oh and by the way only 5 players in NFL history have had more than 400 attempts in a season.

Why do you feed the Smel?

 

[Duckjake]

Why do you feed the Smel?

Insomnia.

 

[O]

Insomnia.