the blown Boldin force-out call and other stuff

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I'm sorry but I just can't get that officials screw up out of my mind this morning. And no I'm not pinning the defeat on that. I mean you can't let someone go 91 yards untouched just when you gain some momentum. You can't give the ball to your softest player on a 4th and 2. yadda, yadda, yadda.

What is troubling about that call, is the bozo who over-ruled the original and correct call. What is the criteria for that anyway?
Even more troubling is that I just saw ESPN highlights of the Jets-Rayduhs game. Guess what, in a very similar situation, Justin McCariens makes a difficult catch in the endzone and the Ray-duh defender shoves him out of bounds while he is in the air. He lands with his legs spread just like Anquan, and one foot about 6 inches out of bounds. Other than Anquan's catch being slightly more difficult and not being in the end zone, the situations were almost identical. Oh, and one other difference, there was only official involved in the McCariens situation and he ruled a force-out and Jets touchdown.
To me when there is a difference between the officials on a critical call like that, there has to be a review option. And force-outs need to be reviewable, specially when there is a difference of opinion between the officials.

Other stuff:
1. TV guys commented on Reggie Swinton's hesitation on at least two different occasions on punt returns. On both, he had substanial running room, but seemed paralyzed by indecisiveness. As J.C. Pearson noted during the telecast, you can't hesitate for 2 or 3 seconds when the coverage team is bearing down on you. I hope Swinton isn't back next year. His late fumble recovered by the Cardinals only sealed his fate with me.

2. You gotta like the way this team, specially the defense, is giving their all on the field. Outstanding effort by the the likes of Karlos Dansby, James Darling, Adrian Wilson, Robert Griffith and company.

3. What is so difficult about lining up onside? If must be a challenge for Antonio Smith cause he did it again twice yesterday. This comes on top of several other bone-headed penalties he's committed in the last several games. Antonio, please give yourself a couple inches leeway when lining up. Your bone-headed offsides are annoying.

4. The game only confirmed the obvious needs going forward: Nose tackle, offensive line, short-yardage running back, kick returner and an offensive line coach. Those are the minimums.
 

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Totally_Red said:
3. What is so difficult about lining up onside? If must be a challenge for Antonio Smith cause he did it again twice yesterday. This comes on top of several other bone-headed penalties he's committed in the last several games. Antonio, please give yourself a couple inches leeway when lining up. Your bone-headed offsides are annoying.

Just so you know Berry gets these calls as well multiple times, I mean a lot. He did last year and did this year as well. I think he had 13 last year, and somewhere around 7 this year before going down.
 

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joeshmo said:
Just so you know Berry gets these calls as well multiple times, I mean a lot. He did last year and did this year as well. I think he had 13 last year, and somewhere around 7 this year before going down.

Yeah well when you make the pro bowl and have 14 sacks a year you can live with it. Actually I thought Berry usually gets called for jumping offsides not lining up in the netural zone?
 

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Totally_Red said:
4. The game only confirmed the obvious needs going forward: Nose tackle, offensive line, short-yardage running back, kick returner and an offensive line coach. Those are the minimums.
Add ST coach to the list...
 

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Totally_Red said:
What is troubling about that call, is the bozo who over-ruled the original and correct call. What is the criteria for that anyway?
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On TV and the replay I don't believe the first official indicated he was pushed out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the official doesn't signal pushed out of bounds, how can it be ruled a catch? IMO, Boldin's own momentum would have carried him out even though it was a great catch of the ball.
 

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Redmark said:
Totally_Red said:
What is troubling about that call, is the bozo who over-ruled the original and correct call. What is the criteria for that anyway?
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On TV and the replay I don't believe the first official indicated he was pushed out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the official doesn't signal pushed out of bounds, how can it be ruled a catch? IMO, Boldin's own momentum would have carried him out even though it was a great catch of the ball.

Boldin was jumping in (away from the sideline), caught the ball and changed direction mid-flight. That was a force out. If it were Marvin Harrison it would have been a force out garunteed. The officials are biased and there are no 2 ways about it.
 

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dogpoo32 said:
Boldin was jumping in (away from the sideline), caught the ball and changed direction mid-flight. That was a force out. If it were Marvin Harrison it would have been a force out garunteed. The officials are biased and there are no 2 ways about it.

Your observation and recollection may be correct, but the rules (as I understand them) require the official to rule POB which I don't think he did. If he had we would have had a basis to challenge the call. I think he saw what I saw and missed the part you saw and it probably was a bad call, but not due to bias as you claim. My point was that the overrule after consultation was valid if the first official did not indicate POB.
 

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Redmark said:
Your observation and recollection may be correct, but the rules (as I understand them) require the official to rule POB which I don't think he did. If he had we would have had a basis to challenge the call. I think he saw what I saw and missed the part you saw and it probably was a bad call, but not due to bias as you claim. My point was that the overrule after consultation was valid if the first official did not indicate POB.

I might be thinking of a different play, but the one I saw the one official called push out and the other overruled him.
 

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I might be thinking of a different play, but the one I saw the one official called push out and the other overruled him.

Well did you see it or did you not? This is crucial you've got 3 guys in Iowa, New Mexico and California debating the call and you were right there with a perfect view. ;)
 

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Redmark said:
Well did you see it or did you not? This is crucial you've got 3 guys in Iowa, New Mexico and California debating the call and you were right there with a perfect view. ;)

:biglaugh: I know the rule is that the official must signal a pushout, which I cannot remember if he did or not. What I am saying is it was a horribly blown call and might have gone our way were we a powerhouse team. I want to say that the line judge called it a push out and was overturned, as KoC states. If that is the case, I don't know what the official who overturned it saw or told the line judge he saw.
 

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My understanding was the ref closest to the play called it a catch and pushed out of bounds. Then another official further away ran up and said it wasn't a catch. If that's correct, the POB call shouldn't have been reviewable b/c thats always a judgement call. The catch itself should have been reviewable, in which case, everyone seems to agree it was a catch. I think the guy onscene got it right and was talked out of it by the ref who was much further away. I've seen this happen often with the Cards, going back in my memory to a touchdown we got taken away in Arrowhead stadium in 1998. It always seems to me like the ref who is far away runs up and tells the guy onscene "hey man, these are the Cardinals, if its even a little bit close, we call it the other way, what the hell are you thinking?"
 

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I saw it live from the NEZ and on the jumbotron. Boldin was coming down inbounds and the corner pushed him out. The ref gave a hand signal which a believe refers to push out.
 

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Redviper got it right. My seats are downstairs just to the right of where the play was. I'm only 8 rows off the field. The close ref makes the call signals a catch and push. The other guy who didn't have a clear view talks with him and the original guy signals no catch. It was Bull. We should have had a 1st on the 16 yard line of the skins. Would have won the game ????????? We will never know.

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Red Hawk said:
I saw it live from the NEZ and on the jumbotron. Boldin was coming down inbounds and the corner pushed him out. The ref gave a hand signal which a believe refers to push out.

There were about 10 other plays besides this one that the refs blew. The Redskins were holding a lot and I think they were called for it only once. Plus, it looked like there were several pass interfernce penalties that were NOT called on the Skins.
 
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KingofCards said:
I might be thinking of a different play, but the one I saw the one official called push out and the other overruled him.

I thouight Anquan himself had indicated the original call was a force out. If it was not ruled a force out, it should have been because there was no way he was in bounds.
 

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Someone remind me, but did I see Q arguing after that play without his helmet on his head?

:shrug:
 

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Someone remind me, but did I see Q arguing after that play without his helmet on his head?

:shrug:

Yeah, he started to take it off and you could just "see" him think better of it and put it back on.
 

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KingofCards said:
I might be thinking of a different play, but the one I saw the one official called push out and the other overruled him.

That is exactly what happened. How the hell a ref allows himself to be "talked out of it", especially by a guy who wasn't right on top of the play like he was is beyond me.
 

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big surprise, every home game this year theyve let the other team get away with everything while our guys are manhandled.
 

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It was the back judge that overruled it. He hates the Cards. After he overruled he got hit in the head with a metal pole those flag boys throw around. Knocked out cold. We started chanting "Karma sucks, Karma Sucks!"

Then of course they ran the KO back for a TD and the rest is history.
 

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