The Bourne Ultimatum

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Well, considering that there are only REALLY three books, a trilogy, then the franchise is done. Of course, there were two ripoff books made after Ludlum's death, and there is the fact that they hardly follow the books at all.

I'd be okay with more movies. The books were a cold war, Bourne and Carlos the Jackal franchise. The filmmakers realized they couldn't do that.
 

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Saw this movie last night. Another very, very good movie. I think I have to move the Bourne trilogy into iconoclast status ... either right ahead or right behind the Indiana Jones trilogy (soon to be quadrilogy).

I've loved this series because it's an action film for grownups. I have no idea if what they do in the films is real (the technology etc.), but they go to great lengths to make me suspend my disbelief. They use (more or less) the names of real organizations, use real backgrounds, and I'm not asked to swallow cartoonish action (like Die Hard, which I respect because there is no pretense). My only complaint would be how good does Jason Bourne have to be to take out an entire fleet of CIA assassins? Did they go to a different school? Is Bourne on steroids?

The acting in the third one follows a line of that started in the first movie -- stiff to stiffer. It's interesting since I was at least somewhat familiar with every actor in all three movies before they got there and didn't see a casting that I was not thrilled with. I guess it's stiff in a proper way ... not in a Steve Segal way. I've seen moments where I felt Matt Damon was possibly the best screen actor of his generation. And then I've seen moments where he was as stiff and as much of a camera mugger as his best bud Ben (did anyone see Dogma?). In this one I think he keeps it almost entirely appropriate, and gets across the Bourne ethic ... which is an assassin who has regained a conscience if not his memory.

The fight scene is one of the best I've ever seen. Two other classic action sequences were in the back of my mind the whole time: the Matrix lobby gun battle and the freeway car chase in the French Connection. Considering the predominant use of the hand held, I have to think the fight scene was a very long homage to the chase scene in French Connection, which (and this is absolutely true) was filmed in real traffic, on real streets, guerrilla style. That scene was not only illegal, one has to question if they were endangering lives. This one had that feel ... very real, as if we were watching some live-action pursuit and not a movie, only the fight sequences were as good as any Chinese wire routine -- but again, creative without being cartoonish. I felt like I was watching highly trained hand-to-hand combat.

Speaking of the hand helds, not since Blair Witch Project have I felt as seasick during a movie. It was a bit much, with more blurry shots than your average community college student action film. They did it on purpose, yes, but I think when I become aware of the camera angles and it takes me out of the story, they've failed at least a little at what they were trying to do. Well ... they always quickly drew me back in, so I'm not going to complain any more than I have here.

Halfway through this film the wife and I had already decided we were going to buy the box set. It was that entertaining.

One passing comment: Man, everyone got old! Did anyone else notice how exaggerated everyone's face lines and hair looked? I don't know how old Scott Glenn is in real life, but he looked like he might have one foot in the grave. His face looked like he'd just come out of a 40-minute rinse cycle.
 
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Well, considering that there are only REALLY three books, a trilogy, then the franchise is done. Of course, there were two ripoff books made after Ludlum's death, and there is the fact that they hardly follow the books at all.

I'd be okay with more movies. The books were a cold war, Bourne and Carlos the Jackal franchise. The filmmakers realized they couldn't do that.
I wouldn't say ripoff, since Eric Van Lustbader was hand picked and commissioned by the Ludlum estate to write them.
 

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Great Flick, Fight Scene With Asset Was Awesome!

the fights seem so much more real than the crazy martial arts stuff

loved all the fight and chase scenes

also liked the fact that in the three movies, he had a concience - something thats missing in alot of other action movies
 
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Unbelievable movie...simply amazing.

I reviewed it on my blog today...I think the Bournes should stick to the three movies and enjoy one of the best action trilogies of all time.
 

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I liked it enough to want to see Damon compete with Craig in a Bourne/Bond Cage match. The Bourne Trilogy has been fantastic. The way action movies should be. And the latest Bond film was a knockout as well. Keep em going, in a little spirited competition to see whos better, it'll make both franchises want to keep from getting stale.
 

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James Bond = Inspector Gadget for grownups.

Bourne = kick Bond's *** in hand-to-hand combat.
 

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James Bond = Inspector Gadget for grownups.

Bourne = kick Bond's *** in hand-to-hand combat.

Whoa, whoa, and WHOA! It is probably true that Bourne would win that fight. Bond is much, much better at using his charm and personality in accomplishing missions, though.

That Inspector Gadget crap came from a lot of the made-up stuff for the movies. The Bond books were never simply full of gadgets, and he was a lot more gritty than portrayed in many of the movies.
 

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That Inspector Gadget crap came from a lot of the made-up stuff for the movies. The Bond books were never simply full of gadgets, and he was a lot more gritty than portrayed in many of the movies.

Since I've never read the books, I'll give you all of that. But I sensed the movies were being played up here, and short of actually enjoying the last one, I've never liked the Bond series.

IMO, plot lines should be stirred, not shaken.

If I'm going to go straight testosterone, I'll take a Steve McQueen flick any day. Or even movies about how awesome Steve McQueen was, like the Tao of Steve.
 

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Im talking solely about the most recent Bond, where Craig has played Bond into a dark hero. One who will go mano a mano, as well as use his gadgets. That whole line "Shaken or Stirred?" "Do I look like I give a damn?" was a classic reinventing of the character. Im not going to get into a johnson measuring contest between the two, Im simply stating that Bond is fresh again, and Bourne is awesome, and the two of them, at the top of their game, could be good filmicly, as neither franchise will want to be outshined by the other. And thats good for the movie goer. I dont care who would kick whose ass, I want to see good films.
 

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Since I've never read the books, I'll give you all of that. But I sensed the movies were being played up here, and short of actually enjoying the last one, I've never liked the Bond series.

IMO, plot lines should be stirred, not shaken.

If I'm going to go straight testosterone, I'll take a Steve McQueen flick any day. Or even movies about how awesome Steve McQueen was, like the Tao of Steve.

2/5 :D
 

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I really liked it too although I hate plot twists that seem to serve no real purpose beyond just being a plot twist. The one near the end of the movie bugged me for that reason.

the guy who killed himself in part 2 and then is suddenly alive at the end of Ultimatum
 

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I really liked it too although I hate plot twists that seem to serve no real purpose beyond just being a plot twist. The one near the end of the movie bugged me for that reason.

the guy who killed himself in part 2 and then is suddenly alive at the end of Ultimatum

russ, those are two different characters/actors. Brian Cox was the actor who killed himself in 2 and Albert Finney was the man in charge at the end in part 3.
 

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russ, those are two different characters/actors. Brian Cox was the actor who killed himself in 2 and Albert Finney was the man in charge at the end in part 3.

:bang:

Doh!



Thanks Cheese that was really annoying my girlfriend and I after the movie so I'm glad we were wrong about that.

Did I mention I really liked the movie?
 

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Just saw this tonite..... One helluva movie, 4 out of 5 from me. Great action, hate-able bad guys, and one bad-assed mama-jama for our hero. A fantastic finis for the trilogy.
 

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I saw this last Sunday. It rocked!

I'm usually leery of films intended to wrap up a series, but this one delivered. Not as good as the first, head-and-shoulders above the second.
 

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Now, THIS was a great action/thriller. Fantastic action, good, clever writing and the Moroccan roof-jumping/hand to hand combat set-piece was one the best I've seen in a long time.

Even though I thought the first two movies were well-done, neither of them really sucked me in, but this one grabbed me by the shoulders, shook me and just kept shaking me all throughout it's seemingly brisk 115 minute running time. Great movie. Highly recommended for any action fans out there.

Just watched it. I agree man, that Moroccan combat scene was incredible. I'm adding this entire trilogy to my rewatch list. I liked the first two, but now that I have the complete picture, I think I'll enjoy them even more the 2nd time around.
 

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This one was the worst. Little plot. Too many chases scenes. Having him walk away from TWO terrible car crashes kinda insults the viewers' intelligence.

The obvious references to the War of Terror were dopey. The dialogue was weak at best.

Cut down the monotonous chase scenes and this could have been an hour long movie.

Ugh. I ended up fast forwarding a good portion of it.

The fight scene in Morocco was good, but the endless chases through the houses was dumb.
 

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