The bullpen

[BC867]

Last night, the D'backs blew a 7-run lead (our worst ever) by giving up a 10-run 8th inning.

It is obvious that our bullpen is not of competitive Major League quality.

That is solely the responsibility of GM Josh Byrnes.

If you were GM, what would you do short-term and long-term to remedy the situation?

 

[PoolBoy]

not call up slaten, cut schoenweis, send gutierrez down.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I would look to dump any or all of the folliowing: Byrnes, Young, Snyder and Lopez, and attempt to grab the best young relief talent available...

 

[DWKB]

Honestly, the short term doesn't matter, not when after 80 games your team is on pace for 100 losses.

In the long run, I'd pray for regression to the mean and a better defense. The 149 Errors when a reliever is pitching, along with the league leading .338 Batting Average on Balls in Play aren't helping things.

 

[DWKB]

I would look to dump any or all of the folliowing: Byrnes, Young, Snyder and Lopez, and attempt to grab the best young relief talent available...

I'm still wondering why you want to dump Snyder.

Also, since May 22 (40 games) CY has put up a line of .233/.364/.457/.821

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'm still wondering why you want to dump Snyder.

Also, since May 22 (40 games) CY has put up a line of .233/.364/.457/.821

Great - CY's #'s are improving....should equate to receiving greater value when we dump his sorry ass...

Snyder is a good guy. As is CY. However, this team needs to improve in offense and in the pen. Snyder is sub-par at the plate and while he is solid defensively, his ilk are a dime a dozen...

 

[DWKB]

Snyder is sub-par at the plate and while he is solid defensively, his ilk are a dime a dozen...

I think your perception of available C offense is highly overinflated.

NL Catchers this year are putting up a line of .260/.334/.393/.727


Snyder's got a career .236/.335/.402/.737.

If the NL average is readily available then it couldn't be the average.

 

[Ryanwb]

To quote the Asian grounds keepers from Major League:

They're crappy!

 

[Go Devils]

Brynes, Clark, Schoenwise, Slaten, Tracy, Snyder, Lopez, Petit need to be gone and soon. I would think that Lopez, Davis & Gardner can get some value or you let them walk and get comp picks in next years draft.

 

[Matt L]

BJ Ryan was just released by the blue jays, he does have talent and our bullpen does not...

 

[az240zz]

Don't you have to make offers to your free agents to get draft picks?

As for the bullpen, there isn't much that can be done now but they must re do it during the off season. I'm thinking that Tracy and Snyder/Montero could bring us some good releivers.

 

[TJ]

We just re-signed Snyder and he is a great defensive catcher. Giving up on him now would be silly.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think your perception of available C offense is highly overinflated.

NL Catchers this year are putting up a line of .260/.334/.393/.727


Snyder's got a career .236/.335/.402/.737.

If the NL average is readily available then it couldn't be the average.

So, Snyder is indeed quite sub-par as compared to the NL average...

But my point - which of course you missed once again, is that we can easily replace Snyder and not miss a thing, while attempting to grab some pen support. Hell, I'd take Montero in place of Snyder and not think twice about it...

 

[82CardsGrad]

We just re-signed Snyder and he is a great defensive catcher. Giving up on him now would be silly.

We also recently re-signed Byrnes and Young... doesn't mean they were the right moves.

 

[DWKB]

So, Snyder is indeed quite sub-par as compared to the NL average...

In what universe? How could you possible make that statement based on the stats?

But my point - which of course you missed once again, is that we can easily replace Snyder and not miss a thing, while attempting to grab some pen support. Hell, I'd take Montero in place of Snyder and not think twice about it...

I agree that we could afford to lose one of them. I think there are even arguments that can be made to pick Snyder as the one to lose. I've just never seen you make those arguments and am baffled by the lack of consistent logic in the face of contradicting facts in the arguments you have made.

 

[82CardsGrad]

In what universe? How could you possible make that statement based on the stats?



I agree that we could afford to lose one of them. I think there are even arguments that can be made to pick Snyder as the one to lose. I've just never seen you make those arguments and am baffled by the lack of consistent logic in the face of contradicting facts in the arguments you have made.

Should have qualified the statement by saying his batting average is sub-par...

Regarding your comment about my lack of consistency and contradiction - not sure what you mean. I've been saying the same things all year long - actually dating back to last season.

 

[DWKB]

Should have qualified the statement by saying his batting average is sub-par...

Well if you are a GM of a MLB team and you choose to focus on BA over OBP and SLG then you're not going to have a job for very long.

Regarding your comment about my lack of consistency and contradiction - not sure what you mean. I've been saying the same things all year long - actually dating back to last season.

It's not your message that lacks consistency, it's the logic, such as stating that good defensive C who put up and OPS above league average is a dime a dozen and claiming despite the statistics in front of you that said catcher is quite sub par.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Well if you are a GM of a MLB team and you choose to focus on BA over OBP and SLG then you're not going to have a job for very long.



It's not your message that lacks consistency, it's the logic, such as stating that good defensive C who put up and OPS above league average is a dime a dozen and claiming despite the statistics in front of you that said catcher is quite sub par.

Let me try to dumb this down for ya:

Snyder's value to this team is marginal at best. Offensively, he is virtually immaterial. And again, he is a solid defensive catcher. However, on this team, with a pen that is of AA caliber and an offense that might be able to battle in AAA, Snyder is highly expendable.
That said, I have no idea what he along, or packaged with others could bring in return. We really don't have much to offer any team and simply unloading these guys just to unload them wouldn't make much sense...
If I were the GM, I'd be willing to take a shot on some young arms for the pen, in exchange for guys like Snyder, Byrnes, Young, Lopez, Tracy...

 

[DWKB]

Let me try to dumb this down for ya:

Snyder's value to this team is marginal at best. Offensively, he is virtually immaterial. And again, he is a solid defensive catcher. However, on this team, with a pen that is of AA caliber and an offense that might be able to battle in AAA, Snyder is highly expendable.
That said, I have no idea what he along, or packaged with others could bring in return. We really don't have much to offer any team and simply unloading these guys just to unload them wouldn't make much sense...
If I were the GM, I'd be willing to take a shot on some young arms for the pen, in exchange for guys like Snyder, Byrnes, Young, Lopez, Tracy...

Why Snyder and not Montero I guess is what I'm curious about?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why Snyder and not Montero I guess is what I'm curious about?

Montero seems to provide better offense - at least this season. I guess it seems to me that Snyder was always viewed as the "better" of the two, and certainly it was (I guess still is by some) seen as more upside. Hence, perhaps better return value in a trade vs what Montero can bring...