The Cards 2007 HC: Mike Martz?

[RedRamage]

Lions fan here:

There was a story that was posted in a Lions forum
recently that said that Mike Martz was probably the best bet as the Head Coach for the Cards if Green is fired this off season.

What do y'all think of that? Lions fans have generally been VERY happy with what Martz as been able to do with the Lions. He's gotten the offense playing much better than it has in years. After living with sad, outdated versions of the WCO under Marty Mornhenweg and Steve Mariucci, it's nice to see a vertical game with some innovation and suprises.

I think Martz tends to not run enough, especially if the running game has problems early he'll abandon it too quickly, but still we're really putting yardage on the board big time.

Most of us figured that Martz would be gone quickly... that he was basically just taking the OC job for a couple of years, but it wouldn't shock me at all to see him gone after this year, and I think the Cardinals have a lot of offensive weapons that would make Martz happy. And I'm sure that he would love the chance to beat up on his old team twice a year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Lions fan here:

There was a story that was posted in a Lions forum
recently that said that Mike Martz was probably the best bet as the Head Coach for the Cards if Green is fired this off season.

What do y'all think of that? Lions fans have generally been VERY happy with what Martz as been able to do with the Lions. He's gotten the offense playing much better than it has in years. After living with sad, outdated versions of the WCO under Marty Mornhenweg and Steve Mariucci, it's nice to see a vertical game with some innovation and suprises.

I think Martz tends to not run enough, especially if the running game has problems early he'll abandon it too quickly, but still we're really putting yardage on the board big time.

Most of us figured that Martz would be gone quickly... that he was basically just taking the OC job for a couple of years, but it wouldn't shock me at all to see him gone after this year, and I think the Cardinals have a lot of offensive weapons that would make Martz happy. And I'm sure that he would love the chance to beat up on his old team twice a year.

Fortunately, that is exactly what we need here. Our offense, even with Edge is setup to be a passing offense and we should be passing the ball 65-70% of the time.

 

[kerouac9]

Great OC with a HC who has a head for game management. Disasterous as a HC who gets to make decisions on his own. Totally underperformed a great roster for four or five years before getting run out of St. Louis.

Needs a good GM to make personnel decisions for him. What I'd most be worried about is taht he'd come here and realize that this roster--especially at WR, isn't for him. I think he's a bad fit for our offensive personnel right now and a bad fit for a front office that isn't good at giving up control/making good decisions.

 

[devilfan02]

Here's the thread where it was first reported here. A huge majority are against Martz as a head coach here. Check it out

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=81217&highlight=Network

 

[AZCB34]

Great OC with a HC who has a head for game management. Disasterous as a HC who gets to make decisions on his own. Totally underperformed a great roster for four or five years before getting run out of St. Louis.

Needs a good GM to make personnel decisions for him. What I'd most be worried about is taht he'd come here and realize that this roster--especially at WR, isn't for him. I think he's a bad fit for our offensive personnel right now and a bad fit for a front office that isn't good at giving up control/making good decisions.

Good post. I agree 100%

 

[RedRamage]

I don't think you need to worry as much about the "right personnel." I wouldn't've thought the Lions had the right players for him either, but as I said he's making it work.

I would be more worried about the other part. I think he's a great OC, but not a good HC as you stated. But I also think he's got the ego to think he could be a HC and plenty of teams will be willing to take the chance on it.

 

[joko4]

I do not really know how Martz would work in AZ, but for all the people that think Vermil made the Rams great, you are sorely wrong. The "greatest show...",was ALL MARTZ.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think you need to worry as much about the "right personnel." I wouldn't've thought the Lions had the right players for him either, but as I said he's making it work.

I would be more worried about the other part. I think he's a great OC, but not a good HC as you stated. But I also think he's got the ego to think he could be a HC and plenty of teams will be willing to take the chance on it.

I don't know, RR. I think that Roy Williams is a pretty good stand-in for Torry Holt, but he hasn't shown anywhere near the durability that Holt has shown. I know that Mike Furrey doesn't look much like Issac Bruce, but I don't think you really have to when you're on the other side of a great #1 WR, and I'd bet that Furrey runs the precise routes that Martz demands almost as well as Bruce does. There's no replacing or replicating Marshall Faulk, but Kevin Jones is that kind of multidimensional speedster and receiving threat.

 

[RedRamage]

Williams is great, but he isn't the fastest receiver, really. I mean he's certainly got speed, but he ain't burning down the field out pacing everyone else fast.

And neither is Jones. It's quite unusual for Jones to get big yardage on runs and he usually can't outrun too many people. But he does run tough... he's usually very hard to tackle by one person. He don't do too much to make a defender miss, but enough to keep 'em from getting a direct hit, and then runs through the tackle.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Martz = No thanks ....

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ronald McDonald could coach this team to more wins. I am willing to try anything new at this point.

 

[earthsci]

Ronald McDonald could coach this team to more wins. I am willing to try anything new at this point.

Yeah, but then Denny would try to catch on as Offensive Coordinator. Free Big Macs and Apple Pie. Ohhh, Denny loves hot Apple Pie.

 

[BigRedFan]

Can you back up that statement? Vermeil was also head coach for the Chiefs, who had some great years on offense during that period, when Martz's Rams teams fell apart.

I do not really know how Martz would work in AZ, but for all the people that think Vermil made the Rams great, you are sorely wrong. The "greatest show...",was ALL MARTZ.

 

[az jam]

I think that Martz is one hell of an offensive coach. But as the head coach, the Rams never improved under him and he made lots of poor player and game decisions. I would not have a problem with him as head coach of the Cards if there was a strong GM running the overall football operations. (and that would not be Graves).

 

[Goodyear Card]

Denny Green as GM. Martz as Head Coach. OC?

 

[Red Dawn]

Just say no to Martz in any capacity. Right now the Lions are 19th in the league in scoring at 19.4 points per game. IMO that is kind of anemic for such a "great" OC. His game management for the Rams rivalled Denny for ineptness. BTW the Cards are 28th at 16.0 points per game.

Go Big Red!

 

[stewdog1]

Just say no to Martz in any capacity. Right now the Lions are 19th in the league in scoring at 19.4 points per game. IMO that is kind of anemic for such a "great" OC. His game management for the Rams rivalled Denny for ineptness. BTW the Cards are 28th at 16.0 points per game.

Go Big Red!

But Jones is not Faulk and Williams/Furrey does not equal Bruce/Holt. And Kitna does not have the accuracy of a Warner/Bulger.

 

[Totally_Red]

If Martz learned anything from his St.Louis experience, like Bill Belichick did in Cleveland, he could definitely make this offense productive. He would likely turn Matt Leinart into a top ten, pro-bowl quality QB in short order IMO which may be why management would give him strong consideration.

But any thought of bringing him to Glendale also means a strong GM in control of personnel would have to be part of the package. Letting Martz have control of drafts and/or personnel decisions is a recipe for disaster IMO.

 

[Skkorpion]

I would love to have Martz here as a head coach, as long as we hire a strong GM first.

 

[kerouac9]

Rams wins for the final three years of the Martz regime: 12, 9, 6.

This is obviously the man to lead the Cardinals in the right direction.

 

[TruColor]

Ohhh, Denny loves hot Apple Pie.

It's that molten lava filling that makes it work...

 

[jefftheshark]

Rams wins for the final three years of the Martz regime: 12, 9, 6.

This is obviously the man to lead the Cardinals in the right direction.

The classic "Larry Marmie" defense graph.

The Shark

 

[az jam]

We can do better than Martz.

 

[vinnymac]

take none of the above. i am all for cam cameron or greg knapp. i would love charlie weis to become the next head coach for the cardinals, but i know that would never happen.

 

[BigRedFan]

No to Martz, it will just be Dennis Green revisited. We need a real head coach, not a pseudocoach offensive specialist.