The choice is clear at 13

[Finito]

if Malik Hooker is there you have to take him. You flat out can't teach that kind of instinct his hands are amazing just look at the focus and one handed INTs, notice how he comes out of nowhere to just torpedo a would be gain.

Look at the run back ability that's big play special kind of stuff. That's a guy you want back there the kid is special not good special.

Now the reason he might be there is because the other big time safety is also special Jamal Adams from LSU is the goods. If either one is on the board you run up to take em.

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[DVontel]

I agree.

A ballhawking Safety with great range would do so much for this defense.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The only problem with drafting Hooker is that S isn't really a position that is a need unless they can't/don't sign Swearinger/Jefferson. One step backwards, one step forwards. We have much bigger needs including in the secondary with CB2 before any safety position.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I think ILB, QBOF and OL are priorities in the first and 2nd round.

 

[Bodha]

Id be happy with Hooker.


But for your sake, dont fall in love. Youll be heart broken when hes available and Keim takes someone else. Happens to me every year.

 

[DVontel]

The only problem with drafting Hooker is that S isn't really a position that is a need unless they can't/don't sign Swearinger/Jefferson. One step backwards, one step forwards. We have much bigger needs including in the secondary with CB2 before any safety position.

The thing is, neither Jefferson or Swearinger are safeties with range or can cover WRs like that. They are box safeties(SS) unlike Hooker who is a FS. I'm pretty sure Branch was supposed to be that guy, but he has been bad & injury prone.

CB is extremely deep in this draft. It's so deep, I wouldn't mind waiting until the 3rd round to draft one.

 

[BigRedRage]

The thing is, neither Jefferson or Swearinger are safeties with range or can cover WRs like that. They are box safeties(SS) unlike Hooker who is a FS. I'm pretty sure Branch was supposed to be that guy, but he has been bad & injury prone.

CB is extremely deep in this draft. It's so deep, I wouldn't mind waiting until the 3rd round to draft one.

what if an elite ILB is available? Or a top flight QB? Still go S?

 

[WisconsinCard]

The only problem with drafting Hooker is that S isn't really a position that is a need unless they can't/don't sign Swearinger/Jefferson. One step backwards, one step forwards. We have much bigger needs including in the secondary with CB2 before any safety position.

Take care of those "needs" in free agency and then taking the BPA is a no brainer.

 

[football karma]

in what appears to be a pretty talented draft ---

i think that when drafting in the top half of the first round -- needs be damned (within reason), take the best football player

aside from a RB, is there another position where the Cards couldnt use another difference maker?

 

[Bodha]

CB is extremely deep in this draft. It's so deep, I wouldn't mind waiting until the 3rd round to draft one.

I usually agree with this mindset. Its how I feel about the WRs in this draft.

But certain guys are special, and they are so far above the others even in a deep draft, that you have to take them. Jamal Adams and Hooker are special guys.


RE safety need, I am concerned we might not have room for either SS or FS. I do believe Swearinger will be back at SS. And we are pretty much stuck with Tyrann. I know he moves positions alot, but im pretty sure his default spot is FS.

 

[Bodha]

in what appears to be a pretty talented draft ---

i think that when drafting in the top half of the first round -- needs be damned (within reason), take the best football player

aside from a RB, is there another position where the Cards couldnt use another difference maker?

Im also a hardnosed BPA guy, but you need to be reasonable. What if the true BPA at #13 is a RB? It might be. Fournette or Dalvin Cook are elite RBs.

Arguably RB is dead last on our list of needs. So thats a situation where BPA has to be adjusted a little

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The thing is, neither Jefferson or Swearinger are safeties with range or can cover WRs like that. They are box safeties(SS) unlike Hooker who is a FS. I'm pretty sure Branch was supposed to be that guy, but he has been bad & injury prone.

CB is extremely deep in this draft. It's so deep, I wouldn't mind waiting until the 3rd round to draft one.

I get that. Honey Badger's best position IMO in the FS role where he can roam and be a play maker. Assuming he can get back healthy.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Im also a hardnosed BPA guy, but you need to be reasonable. What if the true BPA at #13 is a RB? It might be. Fournette or Dalvin Cook are elite RBs.

Arguably RB is dead last on our list of needs. So thats a situation where BPA has to be adjusted a little

If that is the case, pray someone wants to trade with us. Other than that, draft Fournette and don't look back.

 

[DVontel]

I get that. Honey Badger's best position IMO in the FS role where he can roam and be a play maker. Assuming he can get back healthy.

Yea, but the thing is, he always plays close to the LOS. Rarely deep like a Eric Thomas III or Devin McCourty. Basically, he's sort of a SS too. We dont have a legitimate FS on the roster.

 

[JeffGollin]

Monkey-wrench in your scenario - If Hooker is that good, some team ahead of us will draft him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Id be happy with Hooker.


But for your sake, dont fall in love. Youll be heart broken when hes available and Keim takes someone else. Happens to me every year.

I would've thought it would be an obvious rule of thumb, but if you have to point it out . . .

. . . never fall in love with a hooker.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yea, but the thing is, he always plays close to the LOS. Rarely deep like a Eric Thomas III or Devin McCourty. Basically, he's sort of a SS too. We dont have a legitimate FS on the roster.

He plays there out of necessity. With Swearinger playing there and well, it gives HB the freedom to play deeper IMO.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The thing is, neither Jefferson or Swearinger are safeties with range or can cover WRs like that. They are box safeties(SS) unlike Hooker who is a FS. I'm pretty sure Branch was supposed to be that guy, but he has been bad & injury prone.

CB is extremely deep in this draft. It's so deep, I wouldn't mind waiting until the 3rd round to draft one.

+1

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[Finito]

Best Safety draft in a long time with Budda Baker coming out aswell.

This is a very weak OL draft and the QB are all suspect really. I think you might be able to get any of the top 3 ILB in the second round I can easily one slipping

 

[BigRedRage]

in what appears to be a pretty talented draft ---

i think that when drafting in the top half of the first round -- needs be damned (within reason), take the best football player

aside from a RB, is there another position where the Cards couldnt use another difference maker?

T

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Monkey-wrench in your scenario - If Hooker is that good, some team ahead of us will draft him.

+1

No way he makes it to us, but if he does, we better draft him. His instincts/play recognition is RIDICULOUS!

 

[daves]

Im also a hardnosed BPA guy, but you need to be reasonable. What if the true BPA at #13 is a RB? It might be. Fournette or Dalvin Cook are elite RBs.

Arguably RB is dead last on our list of needs. So thats a situation where BPA has to be adjusted a little

Then you try to trade back with a team that needs an RB, and get to a spot in the draft where the BPA does fill a need. Of course the strategy isn't foolproof but in general that's how to optimize BPA vs. need.

... dbs

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[Buckybird]

I'd take the kid but I just don't see it happening. You have to figure #32 is gonna be finally 100% back from his knee & Keim will resign either Swearinger or Tony.

We as fans have to be realists here, but hey I've been wrong before. The only hope is that they continue their semi trend of keeping 5 safeties & less CBs

 

[Bodha]

If that is the case, pray someone wants to trade with us. Other than that, draft Fournette and don't look back.

Then you try to trade back with a team that needs an RB, and get to a spot in the draft where the BPA does fill a need. Of course the strategy isn't foolproof but in general that's how to optimize BPA vs. need.

... dbs

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No sir on the trade back. Perfect "Bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush" situation.

If we are sitting there at #13 and we have Fournette and Hooker available.....you take Hooker. Because if you try to cash in on Fournette and trade back, you will lose hooker.

Hooker is far more valuable than the 2 players we get in that trade. Take the sure thing.


Need I remind you of the Parable of Terrell Suggs? Id prefer not to. sensitive subject.

 

[daves]

Well then you're either not taking the BPA, or you're taking a player not at a position of need. That doesn't maximize value. In the perfect world you'd trade back one spot with a team that needs an RB & promises to take Fournette. Trading back father risks missing both so you simply need to weigh the risk vs. the value of extra picks. There's no one right answer for every scenario.

...dbs