The Closer (Dave Chapelle)(Netflix)

[Finito]

And to follow up, it is my opinion. I can see why people have an opposing view on this, but I think that view is born out of misunderstanding and prejudice.


As a gay man, 5-30 years ago these discussions were about ME. That gay men shouldn't be allowed to be married. That gay men were evil spawn and should be executed.

That’s totally different.

We are talking about Sports. Let’s talk about physical sports like MMA, Boxing, Weightlifting. You have a different bone structure than someone who was born female. That is a fact you can’t deny that.

So now that woman who has worked her ass off in that weightlifting competition is blown out of the water because she can’t compete. How’s that fair to that woman?

If you want to create a third category great. My daughter used to box in jr high and if a jr high boy said he identified as a woman and wanted to start competing hows that fair to my daughter? What are you gonna tell her?

 

[Finito]

He compares Transgenders to someone wearing blackface. That alone is indefensible


"They look at transgender women the way we Blacks look at Blackface," Chappelle explains. "They go ‘oh, this b---- is doing an impression of me!’"

It’s a joke

 

[Dback Jon]

It’s a joke

Jokes are funny. This is hate

 

[Finito]

Jokes are funny. This is hate

So do I let my daughter fight?

 

[GatorAZ]

Yes I do. They are women.

Identifying as a woman doesn’t make you a woman. As for addressing them as what they identify as should be respected but that just applies to them. Dropping a biological man into women’s sports or vice versa is silly for obvious reasons.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ah, so you're transplaining. Stating what the "facts" are while simultaneously claiming both sides are entitled to their "opinions." Wilful misinformation and speaking from an uneducated place can spread hate as easily as active hate.

Cmon stout, everyone knows that all body parts except the brain count in making determinations.

 

[BigRedRage]

Entertaining special. Not his best work but he was there to make a point. Had some good laughs. Don't believe he hates anyone.

 

[BigRedRage]

And to follow up, it is my opinion. I can see why people have an opposing view on this, but I think that view is born out of misunderstanding and prejudice.


As a gay man, 5-30 years ago these discussions were about ME. That gay men shouldn't be allowed to be married. That gay men were evil spawn and should be executed.

I missed the part where he said trans people were evil, should be executed and etc. Must have fell asleep

 

[BigRedRage]

When you use cancel culture as a line, you know you are wrong. Holding people accountable for their actions is what it is in reality. And yes, he did say that trans should be treated differently. His special was homophobic, racist and transphobic.

This is the opposite spectrum. Some cancel culture is accountability. Some cancel culture is internet trolls teaming up on someone they disagree with. It's not always the extreme anyone decides to describe it as.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is the opposite spectrum. Some cancel culture is accountability. Some cancel culture is internet trolls teaming up on someone they disagree with. It's not always the extreme anyone decides to describe it as.

I think the first two sentences are essentially the same thing just couched in terms to make one group look good and one group look bad. In both instances it’s people of a like mind disagreeing with the words/actions of another and banding together to leverage group power. That’s why I hate pithy phrases like “cancel culture.” It’s an attempt to invent some evil that is all about perception about something that’s always existed and hasn’t bee, and isn’t, exclusive to one group verses another.

 

[BigRedRage]

I think the first two sentences are essentially the same thing just couched in terms to make one group look good and one group look bad. In both instances it’s people of a like mind disagreeing with the words/actions of another and banding together to leverage group power. That’s why I hate pithy phrases like “cancel culture.” It’s an attempt to invent some evil that is all about perception about something that’s always existed and hasn’t bee, and isn’t, exclusive to one group verses another.

How do you feel about the groups who banded together in the same ways and burned supposed witches on stakes in the middle of a village

 

[Dback Jon]

So do I let my daughter fight?

Yes, and she'd probably win.

 

[jf-08]

Caitlyn Jenner defends Dave Chappelle, says 'The Closer' controversy is about 'woke cancel culture run amok'

Jenner said "The Closer" backlash is not about the LGBTQ movement.

www.yahoo.com

Caitlyn Jenner defends Dave Chappelle, says 'The Closer' controversy is about 'woke cancel culture run amok'​

Caitlyn Jenner has spoken out in support of comedian Dave Chappelle.

"Dave Chappelle is 100% right," the former Republican candidate for California governor tweeted Tuesday. "This isn't about the LGBTQ movement. It's about woke cancel culture run amok, trying to silence free speech. We must never yield or bow to those who wish to stop us from speaking our minds."

 

[Finito]

Yes, and she'd probably win.

Dude no. I would never in my life send my daughter into a situation like that.

Listen I respect your opinion but you are just so wrong on this. Women and Men are not the same physically this isn’t even up for a debate.

 

[Dback Jon]

Caitlyn Jenner defends Dave Chappelle, says 'The Closer' controversy is about 'woke cancel culture run amok'

Jenner said "The Closer" backlash is not about the LGBTQ movement.

www.yahoo.com

Caitlyn Jenner defends Dave Chappelle, says 'The Closer' controversy is about 'woke cancel culture run amok'​

And? She has shown many times that she may be trans, but completely out of touch with everyday concerns. Her wealth insulates her from what most go through.


BTW - you need to give her a strike for using in this context "the W word" which is against the P&R rules. Her statement is a boilerplate set of cliches used by bigots to defend their bigotry.

 

[jf-08]

And? She has shown many times that she may be trans, but completely out of touch with everyday concerns. Her wealth insulates her from what most go through.

How does her wealth affect her being a trans? Just because she's wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion? Or is it because she's a Repub? Either way, her voice is much more pertinent than any of ours on the subject.

 

[Dback Jon]

How does her wealth affect her being a trans? Just because she's wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion? Or is it because she's a Repub? Either way, her voice is much more pertinent than any of ours on the subject.

How does wealth affect ANYTHING? She doesn't have to face the struggles that many do. Her wealth buys access and friends.

And for every Caitlin, you will find 100's with an opposite view. Why does she get the press when the unknown trans doesn;'t? Maybe because of her wealth?

 

[Krangodnzr]

How does her wealth affect her being a trans? Just because she's wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion? Or is it because she's a Repub? Either way, her voice is much more pertinent than any of ours on the subject.

I'd say her wealth DOES influence her opinion.

Many transwomen struggle mightily in our society. That's why many are sex workers.

 

[jf-08]

Because she is wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion. Got it.

FYI, one of my children is transgendered and my child's opinion is just as valid as Jenner's and vice-versa.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Because she is wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion. Got it.

FYI, one of my children is transgendered and my child's opinion is just as valid as Jenner's and vice-versa.

I'm not saying that at all. It's just not a mainstream trans opinion because Jenner doesn't have the struggles that most transgendered people go through.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because she is wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion. Got it.

FYI, one of my children is transgendered and my child's opinion is just as valid as Jenner's and vice-versa.

Man... I hate this hyperbolization of others arguments in order to strengthen your own. No one said she shouldn’t have an opinion. They’re questioning the validity and strength of her opinion and then stating exactly why because of their opinion that because of her wealth and fame, she hasn’t had to experience a lot of hardships t he overwhelming majority of the trans community has.

We don’t live in a world where every opinion is deemed equally worthy on any subject. We live in a world and country where Caitlin can say her opinion freely and others can freely questioning her with reasons why they think she’s wrong. But that doesn’t = “she doesn’t deserve to have an opinion!” It’s literally just questioning how she made one others disagree with. Saying otherwise is a totally specious argument that only attempts to demonize people who disagree with her. There’s no reason to Hyperbolizing others comments in this discussion. It’s a completely specious argument at that point.

 

[jf-08]

Man... I hate this hyperbolization of others arguments in order to strengthen your own. No one said she shouldn’t have an opinion. They’re questioning the validity and strength of her opinion and then stating exactly why because of their opinion that because of her wealth and fame, she hasn’t had to experience a lot of hardships t he overwhelming majority of the trans community has.

We don’t live in a world where every opinion is deemed equally worthy on any subject. We live in a world and country where Caitlin can say her opinion freely and others can freely questioning her with reasons why they think she’s wrong. But that doesn’t = “she doesn’t deserve to have an opinion!” It’s literally just questioning how she made one others disagree with. Saying otherwise is a totally specious argument that only attempts to demonize people who disagree with her. There’s no reason to Hyperbolizing others comments in this discussion. It’s a completely specious argument at that point.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And? She has shown many times that she may be trans, but completely out of touch with everyday concerns. Her wealth insulates her from what most go through.


BTW - you need to give her a strike for using in this context "the W word" which is against the P&R rules. Her statement is a boilerplate set of cliches used by bigots to defend their bigotry.

This isn't P&R. BIM

 

[Dback Jon]

Because she is wealthy, she shouldn't have an opinion. Got it.

FYI, one of my children is transgendered and my child's opinion is just as valid as Jenner's and vice-versa.

NO one is saying that she shouldn't have an opinion. But don't present it like she is speaking for all transwomen. And you can't ignore that wealth influences how people react - she HASN'T had the struggle that many have.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the first two sentences are essentially the same thing just couched in terms to make one group look good and one group look bad. In both instances it’s people of a like mind disagreeing with the words/actions of another and banding together to leverage group power. That’s why I hate pithy phrases like “cancel culture.” It’s an attempt to invent some evil that is all about perception about something that’s always existed and hasn’t bee, and isn’t, exclusive to one group verses another.

How do you feel about the groups who banded together in the same ways and burned supposed witches on stakes in the middle of a village

I think they were unsophisticated people lead astray by religion.

But let me get this straight, you’re trying to equate people banding together to boycott a person or product with which they disagree to people banding together to kill someone? There’s a difference between exercising your might as a consumer and murdering people. One is rightly so a crime and the other is not.