The crow is being Served

[Tangodnzr]

Re: Re: The crow is being Served

Originally posted by RLakin
No. Their approach was nothing short of ridiculous. I'd say that Berry was a decent signing, but not any where near what Eric Hicks (let alone Wistrom) would have meant. I think this team needs playmakers, while you, Rod Graves, and Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahaf (Baghdad Bob) seem to think this team is a few role players away. (From what I'm not exactly sure). We'll have to agree to disagree, but to suggest that some are eating crow over these signings is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I feel better already just knowing RLakin, and a couple of others here who've already started dissing this has taken the stance they have.

If they think it's stupid, etc....it can't be too bad in my book.

 

[RedStorm]

Re: Re: The crow is being Served

Originally posted by HarleyRider
Please. Berry (good signing), a back-up quarterback, and a fullback we didn't need.

I think you are overdosing on kool-aid.

Berry definatelly fills a need. Having a vet bu QB was also needed. We don't know how Josh is going to do in a full season and we could not have a rookie backing up a starter with only 3 starts under his belt. The FB...Ho Hum....Did we really need him????

I think one solid, one good, and one for competition in camp. Now, we need to get a couple CBs or a CB and WR.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: Re: The crow is being Served

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I feel better already just knowing RLakin, and a couple of others here who've already started dissing this has taken the stance they have.

If they think it's stupid, etc....it can't be too bad in my book.

funny - I think that's exactly the feeling I had when you were wailing and moaning over signing Dennis Green.

 

[vikesfan]

wow hicks is a playmaker? the dude had 5 sacks last year

wistrom is a high motor guy (gees am i sick of that term) who didn't have double digit sacks last year either

the cards just signed the top sacke in FA who did have double digit sacks

he is the playmaker at de in this draft (kearse is too but wanted a huge deal and is more fragile)

 

[JeffGollin]

Anybody care to admit the total hysteria of the last few days was a little over done ?
Total Hysteria? Yes!

Concern About Inaction? No!

It's as unrealistic to be pollyannish and insist that the Cards can do no wrong as it is to totally rip the current regime before it has the chance to prove itself.

We should be happy we (a) finally got off the schneid and (b) filled at least a couple of voids with quality people. But there's a lot left that will need to be done before high fives can be awarded.

Starting with 2 quality corners (we have none).

(Note - I'm not writing off Starks, but for now he remains a questionmark both in terms of health and ability to get the job done - based on his track record so far as a Cardinal).

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Anybody care to admit the total hysteria of the last few days was a little over done ?
Total Hysteria? Yes!

Concern About Inaction? No!

It's as unrealistic to be pollyannish and insist that the Cards can do no wrong as it is to totally rip the current regime before it has the chance to prove itself.

We should be happy we (a) finally got off the schneid and (b) filled at least a couple of voids with quality people. But there's a lot left that will need to be done before high fives can be awarded.

Starting with 2 quality corners (we have none).

(Note - I'm not writing off Starks, but for now he remains a questionmark both in terms of health and ability to get the job done - based on his track record so far as a Cardinal).

Hill can get it done Jeff.

If Starks comes back healthy, we'll be ok if we draft a couple of CBs and let Wilson and rookies fight it out for the nickle spot.

 

[HoodieBets]

Once we have a good CB on this team then you can talk. We got 2 guys who wont play and a good pass-rushing DE who will not play every down. Him and Pace play the same position. How will this work out i have no clue. Is there anyway one can switch sides? I love that we signed guys but to wait until day 4? You cant argue that no preperation was made by Graves.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Once we have a good CB on this team then you can talk. We got 2 guys who wont play and a good pass-rushing DE who will not play every down. Him and Pace play the same position. How will this work out i have no clue. Is there anyway one can switch sides? I love that we signed guys but to wait until day 4? You cant argue that no preperation was made by Graves.

Berry's an every down lineman - was with Denver and Pace is gonna start opposite him - hopefully with good coaching Pace won't be a bust and maybe can develop into a 5 or six sack player - can you imagine if our ends had 5 and 8-10 sacks - we'd think we were watching the 85 Bears!

Get a GOOD corner and this offseason is a rousing success - and if we get who Green wants at Three with a good corner - this is the best offseason in team history - come on GRaves - get someone opposite Starks and our Defensive Backfield will be amongst the league's best.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Berry's an every down lineman - was with Denver and Pace is gonna start opposite him - hopefully with good coaching Pace won't be a bust and maybe can develop into a 5 or six sack player - can you imagine if our ends had 5 and 8-10 sacks - we'd think we were watching the 85 Bears!

Get a GOOD corner and this offseason is a rousing success - and if we get who Green wants at Three with a good corner - this is the best offseason in team history - come on GRaves - get someone opposite Starks and our Defensive Backfield will be amongst the league's best.

You do know Adrian Wilson is still in our Defensive Backfield right?

 

[Sandan]

Re: Re: The crow is being Served

Originally posted by RLakin
No. Their approach was nothing short of ridiculous. I'd say that Berry was a decent signing, but not any where near what Eric Hicks (let alone Wistrom) would have meant. I think this team needs playmakers, while you, Rod Graves, and Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahaf (Baghdad Bob) seem to think this team is a few role players away. (From what I'm not exactly sure). We'll have to agree to disagree, but to suggest that some are eating crow over these signings is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Where did I say any of that, all I said was that the hysteria of the last few days was a little over done.

Show me where I have said that I think the team is a "few players away", SHOW ME.

I did appologise for not putting the smilly on the post, as that was what I intended.

 

[Sandan]

Re: Re: Re: The crow is being Served

Originally posted by RedStorm
Now, we need to get a couple CBs or a CB and WR.

Certainly agree about the CB

 

[vikesfan]

Pace and Berry don't exactly play the same position. Berry is the starting RDE and Pace is the back up RDE.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Pace and Berry don't exactly play the same position. Berry is the starting RDE and Pace is the back up RDE.

WTF?

Either I need more beer tonight, or you need less if I'm to understnad that post..

 

[HoodieBets]

Who will be our LDE DJ????????????

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
You cant argue that no preperation was made by Graves.

I guess you mean there wasn't any preparation, even thou your sentence means the exact opposite.

Really! do you have the phone logs, faxes, emails, etc. that prove there was no preparation and follow-up? If not, how would you know?

FYI - "PREPARATION"

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Northern Card
Really! do you have the phone logs, faxes, emails, etc. that prove there was no preparation and follow-up? If not, how would you know?

FYI - "PREPARATION"

Thanks for correct spelling!

You can tell becuse he would have been more active the first 3 days. He had no idea that people would sign so fast. He already said he mis-judged FA last year and to say this year was different is just silly. I don't know how you can even argue this.

 

[JeffGollin]

Hill can get it done Jeff.
.Respectfully disagree. I admire his mastery of technique and intangibles, but he simply hasn't crossed the minimum threshhold of speed needed to match up with most NFL wideouts.

If Starks comes back healthy
A very big "If" plus may I remind us all that he was under intense criticism by the coaching staff during preseason - not only because of his reluctance to work out despite nagging injury but also poor execution when he did play.

We'll be ok if we draft a couple of CBs and let Wilson and rookies fight it out for the nickle spot
Once upon a time, the Cardinals had an offensive line that surrendered 78 sacks and limited Cardinal runners to 78 ground yards per game.

For a period of roughly 5 years, we'd whiff in free agency and then rationalize that "we'd pick up a couple of linemen in the draft" or that Matt Joyce, Ernest Dye or Joe Wolf would be the answers to our prayers. It just didn't happen - sometimes duct tape ain't gonna get the job done. (It took Fergy taking the bull by the horns and, over a period of time, drafting guys like Shelton, Clement and Big and then adding Grutts, Kendall and others to at least make the O-line respectable).

I respectfully submit that we will not be OK at CB by relying on Hill and Starks to be our starters and "hoping" that Wilson and a couple of rookies will be the answers to our prayers in backup roles. (Note - If all Wilson can do is play backup/nickel, then the shift from starting safety would have to be considered a failure because we would have created a roster hole without filling another).

We have three draft picks between #3 and #66. But we have needs at more than three positions - Marquis WR, 2 CB's, NT etc. The problem with trying to fill four holes with 3 picks and by shifting someone like Wilson from one position to another is that, by doing so, you create other roster holes. And what you wind up doing is nothing more than a shell game where you move picks and holes around. But in the end, you still wind up with 3 picks and 4 holes.

The only way to break that cycle is to fill one or more of those roster holes thru free agency. Then you don't have to draft out of desperation. You can pick the best guys who can help our team - at the right value spots.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Thanks for correct spelling!

You can tell becuse he would have been more active the first 3 days. He had no idea that people would sign so fast. He already said he mis-judged FA last year and to say this year was different is just silly. I don't know how you can even argue this.

I have to agree with Nother Card on this one. Just becaues RG didn't get anyone signed in the 1st 3 days doesn't mean there wasn't a plan. You may disagree with the plan but there was a plan none the less.

Every year some teams get out of the gate early and pay huge sums of money in doing so. RG knows this team is more than a Kearse or Winfield signing away from being a contender. Let the big spenders go crazy and then pick up the young upcoming talent at a decent price to keep the cap in line. Sounds like a good plan to me.

Berry was a good signing at a very good price. Seems either RG got lucky or had a plan. Since no other team offered huge money it seems like he had a good plan to me. Knowing this team is not on any players A list RG had to put together a plan to bring in players that would fill needs and fit under the cap. Again sounds like a good plan to me.

If you are comparing the Cards to the Redskins then you must compare all the other teams to them as well. The teams that have made the biggest splashes this FA period are teams that were in or just missed the playoffs (for the most part). There are several teams that haven't made a single move in FA. I guess they don't have a plan either.

One issue/hole that is left on this team is at CB. Macklin was brought in and it seems he wasn't a good fit for the team. With what Barrett signed for it seems G's new he didn't fit into the plan. They have already checked out Starks progress and know what they have in Hill. Wilson is being tried out at CB. Maybe G's don't feel that CB is as big an issue as most of us do. Maybe the plan is to pick up a lower priced FA CB. Of course we all would have loved Winfield and Bryant but could we afford them and still stay true to the plan.

Again you can disagree with the plan but don't say there isn't one.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well I, for one, was very wrong on our first free agent signing.

I predicted end of March.

I am very glad I was wrong on the Cardinals still working under Standard Operating Procedure. Graves adapted to the market and deserves a ton of credit for doing so

Yum yum crow is good because I LIKE being wrong here.

 

[Tangodnzr]

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Originally posted by vikesfan
Pace and Berry don't exactly play the same position. Berry is the starting RDE and Pace is the back up RDE.
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This is one I agree with you on. Green has already stated Pace had "better get going", I'm quite sure Pace was not planned to be starting last year, and was only forced into that because of KVB going down. I would expect to see Berry starting at RDE and DJ at left with Pace rotating with Berry; and Wakefield or King rotating with DJ. I would think KVB is a better fit at LDE but could be used at either, depending on the situation. I think he's the one most questionable to "make the rotation" at this point.