The curtain's been pulled back

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

it is said that a person's true identity is revealed when faced with adversity.

I'd say this season is the epitome of adversity for Arians. So what did we get? It just crystallized for me this week.

Whining about weather (it rained harder on us!!!)

Whining about reffing

Whining that Miami and Seattle cheated on special teams (hmm sounds more like their coaches were creative and opportunistic and Amos is . . . well, Amos)

Blaming players

No accountability for his staff

This paints about a poor a picture of someone's strength of character as I could expect from a head coach. The only thing that I could see lowering my opinion is if we found out he had bounties or targeted people for injuries.

I thought I really liked Arians. But if these were traits I saw in an opponent's coach I would lambast them for being such a poor judge of character. So I suppose I'm left having painted myself into a corner. I want to like Arians and believe in him. But all the above gives me little hope that he's the man to see us through this darkening cloud.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't see that at all. I see a guy who speaks what's on his mind. Sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. I don't see him as making excuses but rather just answering questions.

Also, most, if not all, coaches are going to back their staff and hold the players accountable. These are the same coaches that led the team to 13-3 record so I tend to agree most of it is on the players performing on the field.

 

[BigRedRage]

Meh, I still love the guy.

 

[SO91]

I think winning and losing changes our perception of people, especially when they're involved with our own teams. Arians said a lot of things last year when we were winning 13 games and got praised in the media and by fans. I don't think much has changed with him, but people are reacting differently to it now. He was always boisterous and kind of a prick, but he's our prick and I have no problems with him.

 

[TJ]

I'm going to ask this again: Name a coach who publicly throws their assistant coaches under the bus?

Seriously. People are asking BA to do something that no good coach does.

My only gripe with BA this season is his behavior towards officials, as I think he's put a bullseye on the team by the refs during games. For me, this is simply a bad season for a guy who has two COY awards and coming off a 13-3 season.

Still love BA and hope he comes back next season hungry and humble.

 

[AZ Native]

I'm going to ask this again: Name a coach who publicly throws their assistant coaches under the bus?

Seriously. People are asking BA to do something that no good coach does.

My only gripe with BA this season is his behavior towards officials, as I think he's put a bullseye on the team by the refs during games. For me, this is simply a bad season for a guy who has two COY awards and coming off a 13-3 season.

Still love BA and hope he comes back next season hungry and humble.

He can dish it out to his players and not his buddy. Yeah, it would be wrong to throw him under the bus but he has no problem doing worse to his players:

Asked Monday if the Cardinals special-teamer's transition to cornerback remains a work-in-progress, coach Bruce Arians pulled no punches.

"It's a failure in progress," Arians said of Bethel.

A good coach doesn't do that to his players.

 

[JeffGollin]

Agree with your take on recent BA comments.

But also think he's a good guy caught in a bleep-storm and that he'll snap out of it.

Amazing how little it takes for the wheels to come off (& how fast it can happen).

Then again, many of us were somewhat concerned about a lot of small stuff as earlier in the year, and it supports the hypothesis that "if stuff seems a bit "off" early on, it will probably stay that way for the rest of the season."

 

[DeAnna]

I dislike whiny people in general, so it always annoyed me that he was constantly whining to the refs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Eh, when belicheck just spoke he directly stated that they had to coach better. He held his coaches accountable. It wasn't just the players. We have NEVER heard that from Arians. I guess our coaching staff is perfect and belicheck'S sucks. Yeah, cuz THAT'S realistic. You guys are letting him off the hook for past performance. I hope he rights the ship. But this year the team, and you damn better bet that includes the coaches - including the man in charge - shat the bed. And THAT'S the latest performance we have to judge. And the seeming apparent lack of accountability makes for a poor bedfellow with negative performance. When my team suffers at work I figure out why, how I could have done something differently, take responsibility with my CEO and my team for my part and then, and ONLY THEN, hold my team or CEO-placed constraints responsible for their role (if any) in the underperformance. I am not seeing that with BA. And that's poor leadership.

 

[DeAnna]

Now BA is accusing the Dolphins of faking the snap count? But the Miami special teams coach had a funny response, lol

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...-had-something-to-say-about-it-182905464.html

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Eh, when belicheck just spoke he directly stated that they had to coach better. He held his coaches accountable. It wasn't just the players. We have NEVER heard that from Arians. I guess our coaching staff is perfect and belicheck'S sucks. Yeah, cuz THAT'S realistic. You guys are letting him off the hook for past performance. I hope he rights the ship. But this year the team, and you damn better bet that includes the coaches - including the man in charge - shat the bed. And THAT'S the latest performance we have to judge. And the seeming apparent lack of accountability makes for a poor bedfellow with negative performance. When my team suffers at work I figure out why, how I could have done something differently, take responsibility with my CEO and my team for my part and then, and ONLY THEN, hold my team or CEO-placed constraints responsible for their role (if any) in the underperformance. I am not seeing that with BA. And that's poor leadership.

Wow, maybe you can come down from your mountain top and give BA a leadership lesson. The guy has only been coach of the year 2 of 4 years. But some player gaffes cost games and now....oh well. I'm not going to get into it. Not worth it. I'll just say I'm fine with Arians and just disagree.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Now BA is accusing the Dolphins of faking the snap count? But the Miami special teams coach had a funny response, lol

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...-had-something-to-say-about-it-182905464.html

Keep those excuses coming.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Eh, when belicheck just spoke he directly stated that they had to coach better. He held his coaches accountable. It wasn't just the players. We have NEVER heard that from Arians. I guess our coaching staff is perfect and belicheck'S sucks. Yeah, cuz THAT'S realistic. You guys are letting him off the hook for past performance. I hope he rights the ship. But this year the team, and you damn better bet that includes the coaches - including the man in charge - shat the bed. And THAT'S the latest performance we have to judge. And the seeming apparent lack of accountability makes for a poor bedfellow with negative performance. When my team suffers at work I figure out why, how I could have done something differently, take responsibility with my CEO and my team for my part and then, and ONLY THEN, hold my team or CEO-placed constraints responsible for their role (if any) in the underperformance. I am not seeing that with BA. And that's poor leadership.

I have actually heard him say before 'I need to do a better job of coaching' and don't ask me to identify the press video because I do not have the time to scavenge files haha... but when he did it was short and curt without any elaboration, though he has not said such of recent to my knowledge

 

[jbeecham]

The Dolphins yelling out fake snap counts would explain why 3 of our OL false started on the missed XP.

I still say that on the blocked XP, the 1st Miami guy that touches the ball illegally throws (or intentionally bats) it forward & left to his teammates while he's being tackled from behind... that turned into 2 points for Miami & a 3pt swing overall when you factor in a made XP.

 

[SO91]

People are really running with what he said about the weather. It was in jest, but it keeps getting brought up as if he was legitimately saying the weather conspired to screw this team and not Miami. The guy has been the same the whole time he's been here, but winning keeps people from bitching about these kind of things. The refs should be criticized, because they've downright awful all year (and not just against the Cardinals). Faking the snap by Miami (if it happened) is illegal and should be brought up to the league. It happened to us against the Bengals in the past.

 

[ajcardfan]

Just say he needs to be fired ouchie. Why not, based on what you have said here.

 

[cardncubfan]

Me & my buddy noticed it during the game. When we had the ball it poured & as soon as they had possession it would stop. It was uncanny.

 

[cardncubfan]

Btw, the coaches are the same ones we've had when we went 13-3, 11-5, & 10-6 the last 3 years. The only difference is the players.

 

[football karma]

when for 3+ years pretty much everything you did worked -- you get cocky

suddenly those same things arent working.

All those close, 1 possession games you won over the last three years -- you are losing them this year


im taking a deep breath and just seeing how things play out. The Cards deeply disappointed and arent in the playoffs. It happens.

im putting faith in:

1. An owner who is competitive and wants to win. Thats more than what half the NFL has.
2. a front office, over the long term, that has shown it knows what it is doing.
3. and a coach, that when things setttle down and he gets to reflect ..........


well see. Its a big offseason

 

[AZ Native]

People are really running with what he said about the weather. It was in jest, but it keeps getting brought up as if he's was legitimately saying the weather conspired to screw this team and not Miami. The guy has been the same the whole time he's been here, but winning keeps people from bitching about these kind of things. The refs should be criticized, because they've downright awful all year (and not just against the Cardinals). Faking the snap by Miami (if it happened) is illegal and should be brought up to the league. It happened to us against the Bengals in the past.

You're right that winning seems to take care of everything.

 

[AZ Native]

Btw, the coaches are the same ones we've had when we went 13-3, 11-5, & 10-6 the last 3 years. The only difference is the players.

But ST's have been bad for some time now and getting worse.

 

[ajcardfan]

But ST's have been bad for some time now and getting worse.

They have been the weak link during Arians tenure. Time for the team to really think deeply about what they are not doing well there.

 

[Russ Smith]

Now BA is accusing the Dolphins of faking the snap count? But the Miami special teams coach had a funny response, lol

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...-had-something-to-say-about-it-182905464.html

I don't know if they did or not but remember the Bengals did that against us last year and the refs called it after being notified by Arians that they had been doing it earlier in the game. Was a big call in that game too.

I think the coach is right we jumped, but maybe we jumped because they were simulating the snap count, isn't that the whole point of someone doing that?

 

[SO91]

I don't know if they did or not but remember the Bengals did that against us last year and the refs called it after being notified by Arians that they had been doing it earlier in the game. Was a big call in that game too.

I think the coach is right we jumped, but maybe we jumped because they were simulating the snap count, isn't that the whole point of someone doing that?

Why do we have a snap count on field goal tries? Doesn't a silent count make more sense in that situation?

 

[TJ]

I surmise that the entire coaching staff and FO will do some self-reflection to identify what the hell went wrong. I'm sure the team was caught buying into its own press clippings, amongst other things. It's not just one centralized thing, but a culmination of many variables, which led to this team's demise.

The way BA operates earned him three straight seasons of 10+ wins and 2 COY awards, so obviously, it works.

I trust Keim and BA to right the ship. We have a poo load of talent and a great head coach. It's not far fetched to say that we can win 10+ in 2017.