The curtain's been pulled back

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Now BA is accusing the Dolphins of faking the snap count? But the Miami special teams coach had a funny response, lol

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/b...-had-something-to-say-about-it-182905464.html

Yes that's part of the whining I'm talking about.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow, maybe you can come down from your mountain top and give BA a leadership lesson. The guy has only been coach of the year 2 of 4 years. But some player gaffes cost games and now....oh well. I'm not going to get into it. Not worth it. I'll just say I'm fine with Arians and just disagree.

No mountaintop. Instead of attacking me personally, point out a single word where you differ in opinion stated and why. That's a conversation.

 

[AZ Native]

I surmise that the entire coaching staff and FO will do some self-reflection to identify what the hell went wrong. I'm sure the team was caught buying into its own press clippings, amongst other things. It's not just one centralized thing, but a culmination of many variables, which led to this team's demise.

The way BA operates earned him three straight seasons of 10+ wins and 2 COY awards, so obviously, it works.

I trust Keim and BA to right the ship. We have a **** load of talent and a great head coach. It's not far fetched to say that we can win 10+ in 2017.

I really admire your love for BASK, but BA started on the wrong foot with the "Super Bowl, not SuperBowl Ring" comment. You don't hear the great coaches saying that. His boast made us the laughing stock of the league.

I love BA, I got the Kangol, the glasses, the goatee going. But the league has figured him out and his "loyalty" to friends is going to cost him. It already has. He is throwing players under the bus. Like him or not, take a page out of BB's playbook on how to handle this. He is a genius among clowns. "We beat a Super Bowl team at home, at least that is what they are saying". BB strikes again, BA strikes out. I really believe BA's health problems have a lot to do with this, because to me, he is not himself. I hope I am wrong and we cruise to the SB next year, but...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just say he needs to be fired ouchie. Why not, based on what you have said here.

Because I am hoping to see him step forward in the offseason with time to reflect and have some accountability.

Understand, I like Arians. I give him big credit for what he accomplished the prior three seasons. But all is great when there's smooth sailing and rocky waters can bring out the worst in people. If the team feeds off that he can lose them. Even a winning start to the season may not get all of them back.

He needs to step up and take accountability. I don't know why some of you think that's me riding a high horse. It's basic leadership. If you think that's me having unrealistic expectations you set the bar awful low in life and it makes me sad for you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Me & my buddy noticed it during the game. When we had the ball it poured & as soon as they had possession it would stop. It was uncanny.

I noticed that too at times. But I wouldnt cry about it as a fan much less as a coach paid GREAT money to overcome such obstacles.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Btw, the coaches are the same ones we've had when we went 13-3, 11-5, & 10-6 the last 3 years. The only difference is the players.

But we were bitching about Amos then too! Different players same coach . . . Same poor performance. What's the constant? Amos. Who is to blame for year-after-year failure . . . the players? Cmon!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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3. and a coach, that when things setttle down and he gets to reflect ..........


well see. Its a big offseason

This is what I'm hoping for. Because in the absence of reflection and taking responsibility I have a difficult time going into next season with optimism. Which sucks. Because I was super stoked coming into this season. I was even buying the Brandon Williams bs I was being fed.

 

[Big D]

All the big talk, bluster and bravado is great when you are winning, however it rings pretty hollow when you are losing. It actually makes you look quite foolish. See Rex Ryan.

 

[Stout]

I'm with you on everything you've said, Ouchie. I'm not ready to fire him yet either, but his leash is going to be so much shorter moving forward than I ever would have expected. You're always going to have folks toe the company line, out of a sense of comfort with the known and fear of the unknown--thus you'll get a lot of 'the system works' type of posts defending BA.

Me, I'm with you. I see, read, and hear what's actually happening and react to it. No excuses for BA. He needs to shut his face if he's just going to dig himself into a deeper hole and get on with his fricking job. If BA wants to be BA and spout off, then he's got to hold EVERYONE accountable. You simply cannot throw players under the bus constantly while excusing your coaches.

Yeah, system's not working right now, BA. Stop flapping your gums.

 

[SO91]

I noticed that too at times. But I wouldnt cry about it as a fan much less as a coach paid GREAT money to overcome such obstacles.

We must have different views on what is and is not "crying about it". It was an observation, which the press guys laughed at. He has no filter, and hasn't had one since he got here. Nothing changed in that regard.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I surmise that the entire coaching staff and FO will do some self-reflection to identify what the hell went wrong. I'm sure the team was caught buying into its own press clippings, amongst other things. It's not just one centralized thing, but a culmination of many variables, which led to this team's demise.

The way BA operates earned him three straight seasons of 10+ wins and 2 COY awards, so obviously, it works.

I trust Keim and BA to right the ship. We have a **** load of talent and a great head coach. It's not far fetched to say that we can win 10+ in 2017.

My only concern is with BA being capable of self-reflection and adaptation. He was pretty damn successful for the first three years (let's temper any urge to say "wildly" because 2 playoff appearances and one playoff win is only wildly successful by cardinals standards). But other coaches with enough tape catch on to what you're doing. And good NFL D coordinators game plan against you. I don't atttubute all of our failures to Bruce getting out coached this year. But his offense wasn't capable of getting to its bread n butter often. And a lot of that was defensive game planning. And we really didn't see the offense morph to take advantage of what the defense was giving when our bread n butter was taken away. That causes me concern. It's a red flag. Is BA too stubborn for his own good? I want to see what comes next. 2017 is a HUGE year for this staff.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We must have different views on what is and is not "crying about it". It was an observation, which the press guys laughed at. He has no filter, and hasn't had one since he got here. Nothing changed in that regard.

Eh, it's an excuse. He may have been trying to get a laugh, but it's still an excuse. Just win. If you don't, admit you got beat and go home and plan to correct what you did wrong.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No mountaintop. Instead of attacking me personally, point out a single word where you differ in opinion stated and why. That's a conversation.

I did in my first response, which you ignored. Then you preached how you handle issues and that should be how BA does it as if your way is the better way than how he handles things.

Btw, my life is pretty damn good. I just don't go nuts over Cards losses anymore. The fact is, if the Cards make a few kicks this year, none of us are analyzing every word Arians says during a press conference. It's been a season of near misses. There are years like that sometimes. The staff and BA didn't forget how to coach and have been very successful.

Like I said in another thread, people like to think they have all the solutions when in fact they only get access to about 5-10% of what actually goes on within a football team.

 

[mrbyte]

People are really running with what he said about the weather. It was in jest, but it keeps getting brought up as if he's was legitimately saying the weather conspired to screw this team and not Miami.

this

 

[cardpa]

I'm with you on everything you've said, Ouchie. I'm not ready to fire him yet either, but his leash is going to be so much shorter moving forward than I ever would have expected. You're always going to have folks toe the company line, out of a sense of comfort with the known and fear of the unknown--thus you'll get a lot of 'the system works' type of posts defending BA.

Me, I'm with you. I see, read, and hear what's actually happening and react to it. No excuses for BA. He needs to shut his face if he's just going to dig himself into a deeper hole and get on with his fricking job. If BA wants to be BA and spout off, then he's got to hold EVERYONE accountable. You simply cannot throw players under the bus constantly while excusing your coaches.

Yeah, system's not working right now, BA. Stop flapping your gums.

I'm with Ouchie and Stout here. BA needs to zip it. Ouchie also brings up a great point, the Special teams have been lousy for 3 years and the only constant has been Amos.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

People are really running with what he said about the weather. It was in jest, but it keeps getting brought up as if he's was legitimately saying the weather conspired to screw this team and not Miami. The guy has been the same the whole time he's been here, but winning keeps people from bitching about these kind of things. The refs should be criticized, because they've downright awful all year (and not just against the Cardinals). Faking the snap by Miami (if it happened) is illegal and should be brought up to the league. It happened to us against the Bengals in the past.

Agreed.

In the first press conference, Arians clearly said that all the talk about the weather and what not, were excuses, and the long and short of it was they didn't get the job done.

Took full responsibility, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't line up with people's complaints right now. They are just looking for a throat to slit, any throat.

EDIT - See Post #67 for the videos

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm with Ouchie and Stout here. BA needs to zip it. Ouchie also brings up a great point, the Special teams have been lousy for 3 years and the only constant has been Amos.

So in essence you want Arians gone, because he is not going to change, and he certainly is not going to "zip it."

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He can dish it out to his players and not his buddy. Yeah, it would be wrong to throw him under the bus but he has no problem doing worse to his players:

Asked Monday if the Cardinals special-teamer's transition to cornerback remains a work-in-progress, coach Bruce Arians pulled no punches.

"It's a failure in progress," Arians said of Bethel.

A good coach doesn't do that to his players.

Been doing it for 3 years, so please state that you think Arians hasn't been a good coach since he got here, cause saying it now, just seems like a convenient truth based on wins and losses.

 

[SO91]

I'm with Ouchie and Stout here. BA needs to zip it. Ouchie also brings up a great point, the Special teams have been lousy for 3 years and the only constant has been Amos.

I wanna see a change with the ST coach as well, but as has been pointed out, in season change didn't seem likely. I know what BA said recently about change, but he's said things in the past and the organization went a different direction later, like the Levi Brown thing when he first got here. I'll wait and see what happens in the off-season. A change with that unit is needed though, and I think most see that.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This paints about a poor a picture of someone's strength of character as I could expect from a head coach. The only thing that I could see lowering my opinion is if we found out he had bounties or targeted people for injuries.

I thought I really liked Arians. But if these were traits I saw in an opponent's coach I would lambast them for being such a poor judge of character. So I suppose I'm left having painted myself into a corner. I want to like Arians and believe in him. But all the above gives me little hope that he's the man to see us through this darkening cloud.

At least you admit you are changing your mind based on current events, that makes some sense.

There are so many on this thread that were knighting Arians less than 6 months ago, and now he is terrible coach ?

That is a convenient truth based on wins and losses, thus it can be said Arians is 3 missed field goals away from being the best coach ever again. LOL

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I noticed that too at times. But I wouldnt cry about it as a fan much less as a coach paid GREAT money to overcome such obstacles.

Again, Arians stated almost exactly those words in the first press conference after the game.

EDIT - See Post #67 for the videos

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Just say he needs to be fired ouchie. Why not, based on what you have said here.

+1. I think a few posters and fans should just state that and get it over with, but don't worry they will be back to the "Arians is the best ever" rhetoric if the team starts winning again next year. They will BASK in it, LOL

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I really admire your love for BASK, but BA started on the wrong foot with the "Super Bowl, not SuperBowl Ring" comment. You don't hear the great coaches saying that. His boast made us the laughing stock of the league.

We want a Superbowl championship, is something that I have heard every NFL coach say in its tenure, even Belichek.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yes that's part of the whining I'm talking about.

Funny, where is the article that states the person who said the Dolphins were using a fake count was the referees ? Seems to be in the same place as the presser where Arians clearly states that all the talk about the weather and what not were excuses and that they didn't get the job done in Miami.

EDIT - See Post #67 for the article I mention in this post.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

At least you admit you are changing your mind based on current events, that makes some sense.

There are so many on this thread that were knighting Arians less than 6 months ago, and now he is terrible coach ?

That is a convenient truth based on wins and losses, thus it can be said Arians is 3 missed field goals away from being the best coach ever again. LOL

I think Bruce is a very good coach. What I'm questioning is whether he's a good LEADER. It's difficult to discern that when all is well because everyone is happy to follow in success in good times. Leadership shows it's true mettle in times of crisis. And in my opinion BA is exhibiting poor character traits for a leader. Anyone see his team rallying around him? Standing up to support his praise of Amos? I may have missed it, but I haven't.