The Dark Knight Rises

[Covert Rain]

so, even though I really liked TDKR, this pretty much nails the movie's problems to a T:

http://www.slashfilm.com/15-bothered-the-dark-knight-rises/

There are some new things that I pointed out but some new ones that I had really given much thought on.

Thanks cheese....the movie keeps falling down my list........LOL.

 

[MadCardDisease]

so, even though I really liked TDKR, this pretty much nails the movie's problems to a T:

http://www.slashfilm.com/15-bothered-the-dark-knight-rises/

Most of that stuff didn't bother me. This is what I had a hard time swallowing:

Spoiler

Why Does Bane Take a Break from His Master Plan to Ship Bruce Wayne Off to the Desert? - I don’t believe the prison’s location is ever named, but it sure seems like it’s way the hell far away from Gotham. The sequence was suposed to be Jodhpur-Rajasthan, India. Would Bane really just hop a flight with Wayne at this crucial juncture in his grand master plan, just to make sure Bruce has a front row seat to the world’s destruction?

Most of the Hand-To-Hand Combat Is Terrible – Do you remember how in those old Asian martial arts movies, a group of baddies would attack the protagonist one at a time? Do you remember how unintentionally comical that looked? That’s how I feel whenever Batman fights anyone in this film (exception: his fights with Bane, which I thought were appropriately raw and intense). For the most part, all the bad guys have guns and none of them use them. Each one just waits there turn to get their ass-kicked by Batman. Now I know why Nolan shoots all the action up-close and nearly indecipherable: because if you had a wide angle shot, seeing armed thugs stand idly by would look absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Most of that stuff didn't bother me. This is what I had a hard time swallowing:

Spoiler

Most of the Hand-To-Hand Combat Is Terrible – Do you remember how in those old Asian martial arts movies, a group of baddies would attack the protagonist one at a time? Do you remember how unintentionally comical that looked? That’s how I feel whenever Batman fights anyone in this film (exception: his fights with Bane, which I thought were appropriately raw and intense). For the most part, all the bad guys have guns and none of them use them. Each one just waits there turn to get their ass-kicked by Batman. Now I know why Nolan shoots all the action up-close and nearly indecipherable: because if you had a wide angle shot, seeing armed thugs stand idly by would look absolutely ridiculous.

the best version of the "real" version of one of these type of scenes has to be in Commando in the mall set-piece, where the entire police force LITERALLY dog-piles Arnold... only to be followed up by the most gleefully unrealistic moment when Arnold throws ALL of them off him at once.

 

[Chaplin]

the best version of the "real" version of one of these type of scenes has to be in Commando in the mall set-piece, where the entire police force LITERALLY dog-piles Arnold... only to be followed up by the most gleefully unrealistic moment when Arnold throws ALL of them off him at once.

Somehow I don't see that in the bleakness that is TDKR.

 

[Gaddabout]

That's not a veiled attempt at calling me stupid, is it?

Ha! No. I think there's a sliding scale of judging movies when it shoots for a higher bar. If you shoot for 9 or 10/10 and slightly miss, that doesn't make it a 6. It's still probably an 8. If you shoot for 7/10 and hit 7/10, it doesn't get to be anything more than a 7.

Enjoyment and value are usually two separate things for me. I can enjoy a movie at a 4 or a 5 -- pretty much every Jim Carrey movie -- and still recognize it has much lesser value than, say, Schindler's List, which to this day I still cannot make it all the way to the end.

 

[Chaplin]

Ha! No. I think there's a sliding scale of judging movies when it shoots for a higher bar. If you shoot for 9 or 10/10 and slightly miss, that doesn't make it a 6. It's still probably an 8. If you shoot for 7/10 and hit 7/10, it doesn't get to be anything more than a 7.

Enjoyment and value are usually two separate things for me. I can enjoy a movie at a 4 or a 5 -- pretty much every Jim Carrey movie -- and still recognize it has much lesser value than, say, Schindler's List, which to this day I still cannot make it all the way to the end.

1st, I think we agree. I recognize that Pulp Fiction is a well-made movie, high on the value scale (although I think it works better as a play than a film), yet I enjoy Dumb & Dumber A LOT more. Just a matter of taste.

And 2nd, you gotta give Schindler's List another shot. It's my #10 movie of all time. Just love it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

1st, I think we agree. I recognize that Pulp Fiction is a well-made movie, high on the value scale (although I think it works better as a play than a film), yet I enjoy Dumb & Dumber A LOT more. Just a matter of taste.

interesting... I find both wildly entertaining, but like you said, it's all about taste and that varies wildly from person to person.

Oh... and if someone here can forward me an 8 ball, i might need it to get through this last day of production.

NEED SLEEP

 

[crisper57]

Wish they'd ended it in a more Nolen-esque kinda way. For example, when Alfred goes to the bistro and looks up, he smiles and...cut to credits.

No need to see what he saw, IMO. Other than that, I liked it a lot.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wish they'd ended it in a more Nolen-esque kinda way. For example, when Alfred goes to the bistro and looks up, he smiles and...cut to credits.

No need to see what he saw, IMO. Other than that, I liked it a lot.

You know I thought about that too. The other thing I was talking to my buddy about....would have been Alfred getting a glimpse of them, someone walks in front of Alfred blocking his view or the waitress distracts him and they are gone.

Was it Alfred's imagination or wishful thinking? Did he really see them?

That would have been better IMO and agreed....more Nolan like.

That's the problem with this film. There are so many subtle changes that really could have made this film so much better. It sort of feels like Nolan wasn't completely focused on this film or HL death really put a damper on his original plans for the last film. Just my opinion.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Wish they'd ended it in a more Nolen-esque kinda way. For example, when Alfred goes to the bistro and looks up, he smiles and...cut to credits.

No need to see what he saw, IMO. Other than that, I liked it a lot.

yeah that was what I was expecting when the scene happened. Didn't think they would show what he saw.

 

[Covert Rain]

Did you guys here the latest? So, in the book version of the movie...there will be an explanation that the Joker was the sole prisoner being held in Arkum and that is why he was not at Black Gate.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I Loved it. FTW!

 

[Mathew81]

 

[UncleChris]

LMAO!!!!

 

[Pariah]

LMAO!!!!

The voice work on that is great!

 

[Bada0Bing]

I saw it tonight and loved it. I am surprised by some of the complaints. I am not a big comic book guy so maybe that helped. I had no problem understanding Bane and was rather fond of the character. The voice didn't match the outward appearance but I think it helped in making him more than just a badass strong guy. It made him feel like he also had a sense of refinement to him. Not as good as the second one (I didn't expect it to be) but a very satisfying ending to the trilogy.

I saw it at the IMAX last weekend. It took a while to get used to Bane's voice, but since I'm not a comic book guy I just assumed there was a good explanation for it. Absolutely loved the ending too.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hahahahahaha!

 

[Mulli]

I liked it a lot. Good times.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I liked it a lot. Good times.

He lives. Really have missed these incisive observations...

 

[NJCardFan]

Winner

 

[UncleChris]

I just had a thought...

Isn't Batman's costume supposed to be bulletproof? If so, how did a woman manage to get a knife blade through it? Jus' wonderin'...

 

[Dr. Jones]

Fox mentioned to Wayne that if he wanted a lighter and faster suit in TDK that he would be more susceptible to knives and dogs.

 

[UncleChris]

How convenient.....

 

[Gaddabout]

I just had a thought...

Isn't Batman's costume supposed to be bulletproof? If so, how did a woman manage to get a knife blade through it? Jus' wonderin'...

You know what's not bulletproof? The notion of representing reality in any sci fi/superhero movie.

 

[Pariah]

I just had a thought...

Isn't Batman's costume supposed to be bulletproof? If so, how did a woman manage to get a knife blade through it? Jus' wonderin'...

Not that it has to make sense, but you I think it's layered--like giant scales--so he can move. I think she got him between the armor.

Also, you could stab someone wearing a kevlar vest, but a bullet won't penetrate. Those are two different kinds of force.