The Dark Knight

[dreamcastrocks]

One Batman question...why do the citizens of Gotham want the hero arrested? I just don't understand that part...

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If you are talking about the end of the movie, it is because all of the recent murders were put on his shoulders, and they want justice,

 

[Pariah]

It's because he's seen as motivating the Joker. They loved him when he was keeping Gotham safe, so they overlooked the fact that he worked outside the law, but as soon as it became apparent that the Joker was killing people (and cops) BECAUSE of Batman, they turned on him pretty quickly.

 

[hsandhu]

I was right.... It didn't live up to my expectations. But how could it? I was expecting Braveheart.

I kept telling you it would live up to expectations, ironically enough now i DON'T think it did.

I'm watching Batman Begins right now on fx and it is emphasizing my biggest issue with tdk, the fact it seemed to make too big a leap in terms of character development/time/etc.. from batman begins. What makes begins one of my all time favorites is that it make it seem almost realistic that a man could become a vigilante superhero.

Of course we know that is ridiculous. But from everything to the motivation, the path taken, to the actual tools used the movie tries to show how a MAN can do what batman does. Even though unrealistic, it was realistic.

There was way too big a leap in tdk in terms of what batman could do. He had almost no limits to what he can physically do, such as essentially having the ability to fly at any time.

Tdk also seems to ignore the man bruce wayne. In batman begins we see the man behind batman, someone who was so full of anger towards crime he lived as a criminal to understand them. When we left begins that drive was still front and center in bruce wayne. When we pick up w/tdk that seems to be gone. I think this is manifested in the lack of alfred in tdk, who was really the only person that saw bruce wayne.

Still a very good movie, but because of ledger's daniel day lewis level of brilliance. I was just expecting a masterpiece following batman begins, i was dissapointed that it seemed to stray to far from begins. Maybe if I saw them back to back i would feel different.

Oh yeah, one of the main things that illustrates the breaking away from the sensible/realistic way of begins:

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Was just how totally ridiculous/unrealistic the turn of harvey dent was. It makes the horribly handled turn to the dark side of annakin in revenge of the sith look brilliant. Seriously, he goes from the white knight to wanting to murder children? He lets the joker off the hook for the source of his anger, killing rachel, why?

 

[Mulli]

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No way can you equate this with the crapfest in Star Wars. Dent lost the woman he ws going to marry, had to listen to her die, and then had half his pace blown off. His turn was fine by me.

 

[Renz]

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No way can you equate this with the crapfest in Star Wars. Dent lost the woman he ws going to marry, had to listen to her die, and then had half his pace blown off. His turn was fine by me.

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I agree. It's perfect juxtaposition to Bruce Wayne. Wayne suffered the same type of anguish and loss and instead of blaming the world and seeking revenge, like Dent, he chose to devote his life to trying to prevent the same type of tragedy from happening to others.

Two Face is a the anti-Batman psychologically and his example really opens a window into Batman's psyche.

 

[DeAnna]

I did enjoy Eric Roberts as the mob boss. He has aged beautifully!

 

[Mulli]

I did enjoy Eric Roberts as the mob boss. He has aged beautifully!

A little surgical looking, but he was good in the part.

 

[hsandhu]

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No way can you equate this with the crapfest in Star Wars. Dent lost the woman he ws going to marry, had to listen to her die, and then had half his pace blown off. His turn was fine by me.

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I can understand him going from white night to maniac but it is ludicrous that he goes after gordon/batman who tried to save his womam. Not only that, he lets joker off the hook?

At least annakin had a reason for joining sidious and turning on the jedi to save his wife's life, it was just poorly done. In tdk it was both poorly done and made no sense.

 

[Renz]

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I can understand him going from white night to maniac but it is ludicrous that he goes after gordon/batman who tried to save his womam. Not only that, he lets joker off the hook?

At least annakin had a reason for joining sidious and turning on the jedi to save his wife's life, it was just poorly done. In tdk it was both poorly done and made no sense.

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I thought it made sense. Dent went after the dirty cops who betrayed him. He thought Gordon was one of them.

Dent went after Batman because he chose to save Dent instead of Rachel.

I don't think Dent "let the Joker off the hook". He was angrier at his betrayers at that point and went after them first because they were easier to find. I think he would have gone after The Joker eventually.

 

[dodie53]

is the dark knight going to break the $ 600mil mark?

 

[Stout]

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I thought it made sense. Dent went after the dirty cops who betrayed him. He thought Gordon was one of them.

Dent went after Batman because he chose to save Dent instead of Rachel.

I don't think Dent "let the Joker off the hook". He was angrier at his betrayers at that point and went after them first because they were easier to find. I think he would have gone after The Joker eventually.

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Your last two sentences ruin the point. Joker gave him a loaded gun. If he really wanted the Joker he just would have shot him.

 

[LV-Suns]

is the dark knight going to break the $ 600mil mark?

Doubt it passes Titanic.

Dark knight is #13 as of now
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/boxoffice/alltime/

 

[dodie53]

Doubt it passes Titanic.

Dark knight is #13 as of now
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/boxoffice/alltime/

the titanic is not unsinkable

 

[Renz]

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Your last two sentences ruin the point. Joker gave him a loaded gun. If he really wanted the Joker he just would have shot him.

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I didn't remember that he did that, but regardless it doesn't "ruin" the basic point. Dent blamed the corrupt police officers for Rachel's death. I don't know. Maybe The Joker convinced Dent that the cops and the mob were responsible.

Two Face exists to illustrate the other path that Batman could have taken. We can take tragedy and use it to make us stronger, or we can let it destroy us.

Dent chose to take out his anger on the world, while Wayne chose to use his to make the world better. Both are plausible reactions that human beings have to tragic events.

JMO, but I didn't find Dent's reaction to be unbelievable.

 

[Chaplin]

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I didn't remember that he did that, but regardless it doesn't "ruin" the basic point. Dent blamed the corrupt police officers for Rachel's death. I don't know. Maybe The Joker convinced Dent that the cops and the mob were responsible.

Two Face exists to illustrate the other path that Batman could have taken. We can take tragedy and use it to make us stronger, or we can let it destroy us.

Dent chose to take out his anger on the world, while Wayne chose to use his to make the world better. Both are plausible reactions that human beings have to tragic events.

JMO, but I didn't find Dent's reaction to be unbelievable.

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I agree. Remember, it's not like Harvey was operating with any kind of sanity. In the hospital, the Joker convinced him that he is without blame--a psychotic pandering to a psychotic. After all, the Joker DID get him out of the hospital before it blew up (implied).

 

[ajcardfan]

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I thought it made sense. Dent went after the dirty cops who betrayed him. He thought Gordon was one of them.

Dent went after Batman because he chose to save Dent instead of Rachel.

I don't think Dent "let the Joker off the hook". He was angrier at his betrayers at that point and went after them first because they were easier to find. I think he would have gone after The Joker eventually.

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He had the gun at the Jokers head and let him go. I see no reason why he would've gone after him later. Of course, we are talking about characters from a comic book here. Everything is a bit "over the top", including Dent's turn to the dark side.

 

[hsandhu]

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He had the gun at the Jokers head and let him go. I see no reason why he would've gone after him later. Of course, we are talking about characters from a comic book here. Everything is a bit "over the top", including Dent's turn to the dark side.

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That was my issue with tdk. The script just wasn't as tight and free of logic holes as Batman Begins. Batman begins was spectacular because even though they were characters from a comic book it was realistic and all logically fell into place. Tdk seemed to stray to far into the unrealistic.

 

[SuperSpck]

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Tdk seemed to stray to far into the unrealistic.

At the end of the day, what everyone is saying is that the creative team for the movie did such a good job on the whole that people started nit-picking tiny issues, ignoring the fact that the main character is a guy in a rubber bat suit.

 

[Hollywood]

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He had the gun at the Jokers head and let him go. I see no reason why he would've gone after him later. Of course, we are talking about characters from a comic book here. Everything is a bit "over the top", including Dent's turn to the dark side.

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Dent said it himself when he was in the car with the mob boss. Joker is just the dog. I want the ones that let him off the leash.

 

[Hollywood]

At the end of the day, what everyone is saying is that the creative team for the movie did such a good job on the whole that people started nit-picking tiny issues, ignoring the fact that the main character is a guy in a rubber bat suit.

amen

 

[Louis]

So are we really going to call a movie about a guy in a bat suit that does death defying stunts to fight crime illogical and unrealistic?

 

[Chaz]

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I can understand him going from white night to maniac but it is ludicrous that he goes after gordon/batman who tried to save his womam. Not only that, he lets joker off the hook?

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The coin flip let Joker off the hook.

 

[Pariah]

Is there anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen the movie yet? Can we dispense with the spoiler tags at this point?

 

[abomb]

Passed $400M yesterday, on Day 18. Another record falls!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would love to see it again, but I just don't think that I will.